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Another jealous woman has a dig at Amy
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jackyo55
14-12-2013
pretty is as pretty does ..i don't get why people think the other women would be jealous of Amy ..what is there for them to be jealous of ..Amy is no more than attractive ..but pales into insignificance on there career achievements and in some cases there personal acheivements too
sheila blige
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Crawley Cutie:
“IMO, It was not about jealousy...more about undesirable personality traits on Amy's part !!”

I think what people need to grasp is that people can just NOT like someone. Where Amy is concerned - her fans blame the dislike on jealousy. I suppose Rebecca fans should just throw it back at them saying they dislike her because they're jealous of her achievements. Or those that dislike Steve Davis - again - jealous of his achievements (how many world snooker championships has he won?). Or jealous of Alfonso because he was part of one of the biggest US TV sitcoms ever (having said that - I actually detested TFPOBA! - so perhaps not a good example!) Jealous of Lucy being a major player in a prime-time soap opera.

The jealousy card can be played in so many different ways.

Me? I'm jealous of one thing only! The money they got for going in (not a lot to them but a bloody fortune for me!)
Blondie X
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by jackyo55:
“pretty is as pretty does ..i don't get why people think the other women would be jealous of Amy ..what is there for them to be jealous of ..Amy is no more than attractive ..but pales into insignificance on there career achievements and in some cases there personal acheivements too”

I agree with you. Someone like Mo has known some extremely beautiful, talented, sophisticated and classy women through their relationships with her brother so unsure why she would be jealous of a pageant contestant.

It seems if some isn't good looking and you don't like them - fair do's
If someone is good looking and you don't like them - jealousy can be the only explanation.
Amaretto2
14-12-2013
The support for Amy seems to be almost entirely down to her looks, so the assumption is that any dislike for her must also be entirely down to her looks. Poor Amy. It's like she has no personality to speak of that anyone could possibly dislike
imrightok
14-12-2013
I don't necessarily think Mo was jealous of Amy. Mo is just not a very nice person imo.Mo just thought she was somehow better than Amy;after all'who is Amy'?she just sounds bitter cantankerous old woman.

Lucy imo was/is jealous of Amy. She respects Rebecca's accomplishments but also doesn't see her as any kind of threat. But resents Amy for succeeding where she failed.

Rebecca is insecure and blames'Amy types' for the way people judge her. I also believe that's the reason she made such a fuss about Amy sitting next to her on the seat. She possibly thought that people at home will be looking at them two and comparing them;so she makes a ridiculous reason for moving away from Amy.
imrightok
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Amaretto2:
“The support for Amy seems to be almost entirely down to her looks, so the assumption is that any dislike for her must also be entirely down to her looks. Poor Amy. It's like she has no personality to speak of that anyone could possibly dislike ”

And what do you base your assumptions on ?
Veri
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Amaretto2:
“The support for Amy seems to be almost entirely down to her looks, so the assumption is that any dislike for her must also be entirely down to her looks. Poor Amy. It's like she has no personality to speak of that anyone could possibly dislike ”

I don't think either of those things are true.

But of course "no personality" is one of the standard ways of attacking good-looking young women.
Veri
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by sheila blige:
“I think what people need to grasp is that people can just NOT like someone. ”

No, they can't. They can dislike without knowing what caused it, but that's not the same as it having no cause. "I just don't like her" is the final fallback when someone has failed to come up with good enough reasons for their degree of dislike.

Besides, if someone disliked for no reason, why would they consider that dislike important enough for them to repeatedly and vehemently express it?

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“Where Amy is concerned - her fans blame the dislike on jealousy.”

That's a pretty questionable assumption, actually. For some of those defending her aren't her fans, some who defend her (including some fans) don't think jealousy's the reason, and among those who do think jealousy is a factor, the most common view seems to be that jealousy was, or may well be, involved in some cases (especially Lucy), not that all the dislike is due to jealousy.

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“I suppose Rebecca fans should just throw it back at them saying they dislike her because they're jealous of her achievements. Or those that dislike Steve Davis - again - jealous of his achievements (how many world snooker championships has he won?). Or jealous of Alfonso because he was part of one of the biggest US TV sitcoms ever (having said that - I actually detested TFPOBA! - so perhaps not a good example!) Jealous of Lucy being a major player in a prime-time soap opera.”

If they did, they'd at least have to admit that jealousy can be a factor, contrary to the instant (and often sarcastic) dismissal many have been giving to the idea.

And then they could consider that different people can dislike for different reasons, so that jealousy can be the main reason for some without it being the reason for all.
Veri
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by jackyo55:
“pretty is as pretty does ..i don't get why people think the other women would be jealous of Amy ..what is there for them to be jealous of ..Amy is no more than attractive ..but pales into insignificance on there career achievements and in some cases there personal acheivements too”

Jealousy isn't rational in that way.
Fairy Wings
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Veri:
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But of course "no personality" is one of the standard ways of attacking good-looking young women. ”

Poppy cock. There are oodles of good looking woman I know or know of who have 'personalities'.
Rhumbatugger
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Veri:
“No, they can't. They can dislike without knowing what caused it, but that's not the same as it having no cause. "I just don't like her" is the final fallback when someone has failed to come up with good enough reasons for their degree of dislike.

Besides, if someone disliked for no reason, why would they consider that dislike important enough for them to repeatedly and vehemently express it?



That's a pretty questionable assumption, actually. For some of those defending her aren't her fans, some who defend her (including some fans) don't think jealousy's the reason, and among those who do think jealousy is a factor, the most common view seems to be that jealousy was, or may well be, involved in some cases (especially Lucy), not that all the dislike is due to jealousy.



If they did, they'd at least have to admit that jealousy can be a factor, contrary to the instant (and often sarcastic) dismissal many have been giving to the idea.

And then they could consider that different people can dislike for different reasons, so that jealousy can be the main reason for some without it being the reason for all.”

So for those who don't think jealousy is a reason, what it their, well, your reason for why the campmates found her unsympathetic?

And for those who think jealousy is only a possible reason for not all the people, why do they think it is then so important?

And do they think the 'other reasons' they have are viable on their own? If so, why do they bother with it?

What are these OTHER reasons Veri, that makes YOU think the campmates found Amy so difficult?


And many people have admitted jealousy COULD be a factor, including me, although without evidence that any of them definitely were, that can be very reasonably disputed, and plenty of evidence that others found her dislikable who aren't considered 'jealous', this 'COULD be jealous' argument, just DOESN'T MATTER.
Fairy Wings
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by imrightok:
“I don't necessarily think Mo was jealous of Amy. Mo is just not a very nice person imo.Mo just thought she was somehow better than Amy;after all'who is Amy'?she just sounds bitter cantankerous old woman.

Lucy imo was/is jealous of Amy. She respects Rebecca's accomplishments but also doesn't see her as any kind of threat. But resents Amy for succeeding where she failed.

Rebecca is insecure and blames'Amy types' for the way people judge her. I also believe that's the reason she made such a fuss about Amy sitting next to her on the seat. She possibly thought that people at home will be looking at them two and comparing them;so she makes a ridiculous reason for moving away from Amy.”

Mo is too old to be jealous of Amy, Mo is possibly around good looking women quite regularly. I think Mo may have thought of Amy as one dimensional & lazy.

Lucy, was probably just peed off with Amy sitting there like Queen of the May and not mucking in.

Rebecca is insecure yes, but not because of Amy, because of others over the years who have mocked her appearance, rather than focusing on her achievements, but maybe they were jealous.

Mathew I don't think was jealous of Amy, nor was Steve, David, Alphonso etc their reasons for being upset with Amy wasn't because she was pretty, it was because she was lazy, deceitful, selfish & greedy, not very pretty traits at all.
Penny Crayon
14-12-2013
Isn't 'Not a team player' simply a euphemism for selfish and self centered AKA Up her own@rse?
Betty Britain
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by imrightok:
“I find it strange now ,that you would like to compliment her on some good quality she processes. Go on then tell what else you find attractive or positive about Amy?

With due respects it's the Amy detractors who are throwing every negative insult at her,and about her.so excuse me if I don't take seriously your concerns about her.

And you think somehow calling her pretty would/could be insulting to her but all the names that you lot have called her isn't?”

Stop trying to bait ....
imrightok
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Mo is too old to be jealous of Amy, Mo is possibly around good looking women quite regularly. I think Mo may have thought of Amy as one dimensional & lazy.

Lucy, was probably just peed off with Amy sitting there like Queen of the May and not mucking in.

Rebecca is insecure yes, but not because of Amy, because of others over the years who have mocked her appearance, rather than focusing on her achievements, but maybe they were jealous.

Mathew I don't think was jealous of Amy, nor was Steve, David, Alphonso etc their reasons for being upset with Amy wasn't because she was pretty, it was because she was lazy, deceitful, selfish & greedy, not very pretty traits at all.”

Firstly:the only thing I saw Mo doing in camp-work wise-was snatch the clothe from Amy;so I don't think that she was a hard worker;so she has no freedom to condemn anyone.

Secondly:I'm not sure why people keep on about Mo being around attractive women. Her brother may have had relationships with attractive women but that's not to say that Mo has been around them.

Let's not try to rewrite history. Rebecca said-speaking to Amy-"it's people like you that makes me feel insecure about myself".
Crawley Cutie
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Poppy cock. There are oodles of good looking woman I know or know of who have 'personalities'.”


Exactly !

In this programme, the glamour girls are probably at a disadvantage. The other female contestants might be initially 'jealous' of the body flaunting air time. - but, it normally settles down.

In this case, Amy was disliked as a person.
Fairy Wings
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by imrightok:
“Firstly:the only thing I saw Mo doing in camp-work wise-was snatch the clothe from Amy;so I don't think that she was a hard worker;so she has no freedom to condemn anyone.”

Firstly:- we only saw what we were shown (obviously) so we have no idea how much Mo mucked in, what we do know is what we've heard from CM's & that was Amy would lay sunbathing all day & was lazy. So I am repeating what I've heard from the CM's mouths. You, on the other hand are basing your assumptions on what you saw Mo doing, or not doing in your eyes.

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“Secondly:I'm not sure why people keep on about Mo being around attractive women. Her brother may have had relationships with attractive women but that's not to say that Mo has been around them.”

Secondly:- I don't give two hoots about Mo's brother or his relationships. I'm basing my assumption on Mo being in the acting profession where she will undoubtably meet beautiful women.

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“Let's not try to rewrite history. Rebecca said-speaking to Amy-"it's people like you that makes me feel insecure about myself".”

I would never dream of rewriting anything how rude of you to suggest I would do such a thing. Evil thinkers are evil doers springs to mind!

I can't remember those words being said, but if you say she did then I'm sure it's true & how sad that Rebecca has been made to feel that way by online/media bullying. I feel very sorry for Rebecca if this is the case. Yet I could also shake her, she is a beautiful girl who has accomplished a lot. She should be proud!
postit
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Poppy cock. There are oodles of good looking woman I know or know of who have 'personalities'.”

Case in point, Kara Tointon. Beautiful woman, lovely personality, not to mention someone who has had to overcome dyslexia in order to pursue her career.
Betty Britain
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Poppy cock. There are oodles of good looking woman I know or know of who have 'personalities'.”

Nicole Scherzinger is (IMO) a beautiful woman and has a great personality
polli
14-12-2013
Originally Posted by Amaretto2:
“The support for Amy seems to be almost entirely down to her looks, so the assumption is that any dislike for her must also be entirely down to her looks. Poor Amy. It's like she has no personality to speak of that anyone could possibly dislike ”

I have no interest in her looks. I support her because I think it ridiculous that she was bullied and sidelined well before the issue arose over the contraband. Lucy homed in on her like an exorcet missile and mo even trashed her just because Becca threw a wobbler over personal issues with her looks .
Was Amy lazy ? Yes. Thoughtless ? Yes. But sge didn't bully anyone and got thoroughly stuck in regarding tasks for food, so swings and roundabouts.
Had the bullies picked on Becca I'd be supporting her and HER looks would not impact on me.
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