EE fixed 4G

jabbamk1 · 13-12-2013, 08:17

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All you've done is repeated what I said with more detail then claim I was wrong?

Dat decimal point though. Can't forget the decimal point!!!!

The Lord Lucan · 13-12-2013, 10:38

The not spot fill in by the government via 3G & 4G will see all networks get 98% indoor coverage.

That Cumbria project was wifi, LTE is a different beast and as I said first large scale rural roll out for indoor use.

We'll hear about a larger project shortly.

The Lord Lucan · 13-12-2013, 12:43

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Interesting again - not even double-speed? Again, a bit disappointing - fixed broadband by its nature is likely to demand higher speeds and more capacity than mobile, another perfect use for more spectrum...

It is now using 20 Mhz

enapace · 13-12-2013, 13:54

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

The not spot fill in by the government via 3G & 4G will see all networks get 98% indoor coverage.

That Cumbria project was wifi, LTE is a different beast and as I said first large scale rural roll out for indoor use.

We'll hear about a larger project shortly.

I've heard about MIP had no idea it was going give 98% indoor for all networks thanks for info.

qasdfdsaq · 13-12-2013, 15:52

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

The not spot fill in by the government via 3G & 4G will see all networks get 98% indoor coverage.

Hah! So I wasn't as wrong as enapace thought!

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That Cumbria project was wifi, LTE is a different beast and as I said first large scale rural roll out for indoor use.

By "Cumbria" do you mean "Scottish Highlands and Islands"? If so, it's not much different where it matters.

We had the same challenges with regard to providing backhaul to remote locations, which is really the biggest problem. Once that's in place you can put whatever RAT you want on the mast, a metal pole is technology agnostic.

Rigging masts in remote locations? Rural indoor coverage? All old news. Networks have had 2G masts in plenty of hard to reach places for decades - the only thing stopping them becoming 4G is backhaul. The LTE kit? It doesn't really care whether it's on a pole in a city or a pole on a farm, nor does wifi for that matter.

There's really nothing stopping the Tegola masts having LTE installed, there's just no handsets that support it on the frequencies we're licensed for. Hell, that could be a good research proposal for next year... (OpenLTE over a 5.8Ghz SDR)

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

It is now using 20 Mhz

Excellent

The Lord Lucan · 13-12-2013, 17:29

I shouldn't try to reply whilst gaffing about catching a train... Scotland/Cumbria same place

Power is one.. doesn't run via a 13amp plug!
Also was that project using for backhaul.. was it a specific type that only one operator does nationwide, That BT had to end up doing just as a one off to prove it is possible rurally, then link up via Microwave. Bit more involved. As for LTE it was the first time they had done it rurally so a big deal for them and Huawei/MBNL etc.

qasdfdsaq · 13-12-2013, 17:41

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

I shouldn't try to reply whilst gaffing about catching a train... Scotland/Cumbria same place

I wish!

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Power is one.. doesn't run via a 13amp plug!

Power was a problem for Tegola too, which is why they have windmills and solar panel run masts. However again, EE have dealt with that thousands of times in the past - it's not like 2G masts don't need power.

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Also was that project using for backhaul.. was it a specific type that only one operator does nationwide, That BT had to end up doing just as a one off to prove it is possible rurally, then link up via Microwave. Bit more involved. As for LTE it was the first time they had done it rurally so a big deal for them and Huawei/MBNL etc.

We had to build our own microwave links, and spent a few years doing research into it. In fact the first few years of the project were mostly about research into providing rural backhaul to remote locations when it's impractical or not cost-effective to run fibre. That, really, was the main point of the project. Wifi was just the most cost effective technology in the end, with the additional benefit that it could be directly accessed by end users.

The Lord Lucan · 13-12-2013, 18:20

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

I wish!

Power was a problem for Tegola too, which is why they have windmills and solar panel run masts. However again, EE have dealt with that thousands of times in the past - it's not like 2G masts don't need power.

We had to build our own microwave links, and spent a few years doing research into it. In fact the first few years of the project were mostly about research into providing rural backhaul to remote locations when it's impractical or not cost-effective to run fibre. That, really, was the main point of the project. Wifi was just the most cost effective technology in the end, with the additional benefit that it could be directly accessed by end users.

One EE single tech, single operator site is one thing power wise, Tri tech, Double operator, with a gazillion extra cab, antennas and dishes is another. There is quite a lead time in getting large scale power upgrades.. nearly as bad as fibrrrrrre. And if your laying new power cables then you shold be doing the fibre too if similar distance to loop.

qasdfdsaq · 13-12-2013, 20:40

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Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

One EE single tech, single operator site is one thing power wise, Tri tech, Double operator, with a gazillion extra cab, antennas and dishes is another. There is quite a lead time in getting large scale power upgrades.. nearly as bad as fibrrrrrre. And if your laying new power cables then you shold be doing the fibre too if similar distance to loop.

Still nothing new! 2G sites getting shared, MBNL'd, etc. - more cabs more antennas more dishes! Not just mast sharing between main networks but getting TETRA installed on existing masts too - saw an O2 (well, Cellnet at the time) site go from one operator 2G only to three operators, 2x2G + 1x TETRA, originally one cab the size of a fridge, they added a TETRA cab the size of a house, also in quite a remote area. A lot of Orange sites had TETRA and/or 3G and/or Vodafone/O2/T-Mobile equipment installed on them post-setup. Still an everyday occurrence!

The Lord Lucan · 13-12-2013, 20:57

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Still nothing new! 2G sites getting shared, MBNL'd, etc. - more cabs more antennas more dishes! Not just mast sharing between main networks but getting TETRA installed on existing masts too - saw an O2 (well, Cellnet at the time) site go from one operator 2G only to three operators, 2x2G + 1x TETRA, originally one cab the size of a fridge, they added a TETRA cab the size of a house, also in quite a remote area. A lot of Orange sites had TETRA and/or 3G and/or Vodafone/O2/T-Mobile equipment installed on them post-setup. Still an everyday occurrence!

Your not getting what i am saying so i'll quit this conversation..

qasdfdsaq · 13-12-2013, 21:32

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13-12-2013, 08:17	#26
jabbamk1 Forum Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: London, UK Posts: 8,759	Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq All you've done is repeated what I said with more detail then claim I was wrong? Dat decimal point though. Can't forget the decimal point!!!!

13-12-2013, 10:38	#27
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	The not spot fill in by the government via 3G & 4G will see all networks get 98% indoor coverage. That Cumbria project was wifi, LTE is a different beast and as I said first large scale rural roll out for indoor use. We'll hear about a larger project shortly.

13-12-2013, 12:43	#28
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq Interesting again - not even double-speed? Again, a bit disappointing - fixed broadband by its nature is likely to demand higher speeds and more capacity than mobile, another perfect use for more spectrum... It is now using 20 Mhz

13-12-2013, 13:54	#29
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan The not spot fill in by the government via 3G & 4G will see all networks get 98% indoor coverage. That Cumbria project was wifi, LTE is a different beast and as I said first large scale rural roll out for indoor use. We'll hear about a larger project shortly. I've heard about MIP had no idea it was going give 98% indoor for all networks thanks for info.

13-12-2013, 15:52	#30
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan The not spot fill in by the government via 3G & 4G will see all networks get 98% indoor coverage. Hah! So I wasn't as wrong as enapace thought! Quote: That Cumbria project was wifi, LTE is a different beast and as I said first large scale rural roll out for indoor use. By "Cumbria" do you mean "Scottish Highlands and Islands"? If so, it's not much different where it matters. We had the same challenges with regard to providing backhaul to remote locations, which is really the biggest problem. Once that's in place you can put whatever RAT you want on the mast, a metal pole is technology agnostic. Rigging masts in remote locations? Rural indoor coverage? All old news. Networks have had 2G masts in plenty of hard to reach places for decades - the only thing stopping them becoming 4G is backhaul. The LTE kit? It doesn't really care whether it's on a pole in a city or a pole on a farm, nor does wifi for that matter. There's really nothing stopping the Tegola masts having LTE installed, there's just no handsets that support it on the frequencies we're licensed for. Hell, that could be a good research proposal for next year... (OpenLTE over a 5.8Ghz SDR) Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan It is now using 20 Mhz Excellent

13-12-2013, 17:29	#31
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	I shouldn't try to reply whilst gaffing about catching a train... Scotland/Cumbria same place Power is one.. doesn't run via a 13amp plug! Also was that project using for backhaul.. was it a specific type that only one operator does nationwide, That BT had to end up doing just as a one off to prove it is possible rurally, then link up via Microwave. Bit more involved. As for LTE it was the first time they had done it rurally so a big deal for them and Huawei/MBNL etc.

13-12-2013, 17:41	#32
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan I shouldn't try to reply whilst gaffing about catching a train... Scotland/Cumbria same place I wish! Quote: Power is one.. doesn't run via a 13amp plug! Power was a problem for Tegola too, which is why they have windmills and solar panel run masts. However again, EE have dealt with that thousands of times in the past - it's not like 2G masts don't need power. Quote: Also was that project using for backhaul.. was it a specific type that only one operator does nationwide, That BT had to end up doing just as a one off to prove it is possible rurally, then link up via Microwave. Bit more involved. As for LTE it was the first time they had done it rurally so a big deal for them and Huawei/MBNL etc. We had to build our own microwave links, and spent a few years doing research into it. In fact the first few years of the project were mostly about research into providing rural backhaul to remote locations when it's impractical or not cost-effective to run fibre. That, really, was the main point of the project. Wifi was just the most cost effective technology in the end, with the additional benefit that it could be directly accessed by end users.

13-12-2013, 18:20	#33
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq I wish! Power was a problem for Tegola too, which is why they have windmills and solar panel run masts. However again, EE have dealt with that thousands of times in the past - it's not like 2G masts don't need power. We had to build our own microwave links, and spent a few years doing research into it. In fact the first few years of the project were mostly about research into providing rural backhaul to remote locations when it's impractical or not cost-effective to run fibre. That, really, was the main point of the project. Wifi was just the most cost effective technology in the end, with the additional benefit that it could be directly accessed by end users. One EE single tech, single operator site is one thing power wise, Tri tech, Double operator, with a gazillion extra cab, antennas and dishes is another. There is quite a lead time in getting large scale power upgrades.. nearly as bad as fibrrrrrre. And if your laying new power cables then you shold be doing the fibre too if similar distance to loop.

13-12-2013, 20:40	#34
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan One EE single tech, single operator site is one thing power wise, Tri tech, Double operator, with a gazillion extra cab, antennas and dishes is another. There is quite a lead time in getting large scale power upgrades.. nearly as bad as fibrrrrrre. And if your laying new power cables then you shold be doing the fibre too if similar distance to loop. Still nothing new! 2G sites getting shared, MBNL'd, etc. - more cabs more antennas more dishes! Not just mast sharing between main networks but getting TETRA installed on existing masts too - saw an O2 (well, Cellnet at the time) site go from one operator 2G only to three operators, 2x2G + 1x TETRA, originally one cab the size of a fridge, they added a TETRA cab the size of a house, also in quite a remote area. A lot of Orange sites had TETRA and/or 3G and/or Vodafone/O2/T-Mobile equipment installed on them post-setup. Still an everyday occurrence!

13-12-2013, 20:57	#35
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq Still nothing new! 2G sites getting shared, MBNL'd, etc. - more cabs more antennas more dishes! Not just mast sharing between main networks but getting TETRA installed on existing masts too - saw an O2 (well, Cellnet at the time) site go from one operator 2G only to three operators, 2x2G + 1x TETRA, originally one cab the size of a fridge, they added a TETRA cab the size of a house, also in quite a remote area. A lot of Orange sites had TETRA and/or 3G and/or Vodafone/O2/T-Mobile equipment installed on them post-setup. Still an everyday occurrence! Your not getting what i am saying so i'll quit this conversation..

13-12-2013, 21:32	#36
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