Artem should be taken to task.
Why is he doing this to Natalie?
I've seriously gone 'off' him.
Why is he doing this to Natalie?
I've seriously gone 'off' him.
Is Natalie let down by the choreography?
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Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“Richardo Cochi and Yulia from USA - lady in white/red..”
“Richardo Cochi and Yulia from USA - lady in white/red..”
Ooh with the white top/red skirt and he was wearing a white shirt? They were the ones I liked best but bendymixer said someone else won so I'm confused now.
I was talking about the Paso Doble itself rather than the competition as whole.
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“Artem should be taken to task.
Why is he doing this to Natalie?
I've seriously gone 'off' him.”
“Artem should be taken to task.
Why is he doing this to Natalie?
I've seriously gone 'off' him.
”
This might be his last year, I'm thinking Aljaz is his replacement.
Originally Posted by Nosaer:
“This might be his last year, I'm thinking Aljaz is his replacement.”
“This might be his last year, I'm thinking Aljaz is his replacement.”
You know that might explain a few of his recent decisions and slightly 'odd' reactions.
Have you seen that anywhere or are you just surmising?
Originally Posted by DiamondDoll:
“You know that might explain a few of his recent decisions and slightly 'odd' reactions.
Have you seen that anywhere or are you just surmising?”
“You know that might explain a few of his recent decisions and slightly 'odd' reactions.
Have you seen that anywhere or are you just surmising?
”
Maybe just wishful thinking, but I have to say that for me he never lived up to the promise of his first season.
Originally Posted by Christa:
“Artem's choreography has been a bit off the boil this week and last week - although I still thought their AS was brilliant - I would have liked a more upbeat, shiny song.
This week I agreed with Len there wasn't quite enough trad Paso elements, (and drama) but I can understand Artem is bored of the usual stuff and wants to try different things with such a good dancer as Natalie.”
“Artem's choreography has been a bit off the boil this week and last week - although I still thought their AS was brilliant - I would have liked a more upbeat, shiny song.
This week I agreed with Len there wasn't quite enough trad Paso elements, (and drama) but I can understand Artem is bored of the usual stuff and wants to try different things with such a good dancer as Natalie.”
He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.
I think Artem is letting Natalie down with his choreography. I might be more sympatheitc if he was breaking new ground, but this paso, and most of their ballroom numbers, just seem to consist of them swirling around each other!
Dancing in hold is a much harder skill than most of the side-by-side stuff they're doing, and Natalie is perfectly capable of it, but he's not showcasing this... I'm with Len on this one.
Dancing in hold is a much harder skill than most of the side-by-side stuff they're doing, and Natalie is perfectly capable of it, but he's not showcasing this... I'm with Len on this one.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.”
“He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.”
I agree with this Buddy - Natalie is being penalised for Artem's refusal to abide by the rules.
Some of the choreography is aesthetically beautiful but he'll be doing Natalie no favours if as a result she misses out on the final.
Originally Posted by Nosaer:
“This might be his last year, I'm thinking Aljaz is his replacement.”
“This might be his last year, I'm thinking Aljaz is his replacement.”
Oh I doubt it; He is too popular.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.”
“He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.”
It's not just the posters, ITT and the main show do it as well. A few weeks ago during Len's Lens they even gave Artem a special round of applause! (I miss the rolleye smiley).
Yet, when other pros have tried to do something a little different, they've been torn to shreds both on the show and on DS. Despite the fact that they've usually produced something genuinely creative and far more closely resembling the dance they were supposed to be doing than anything Artem has ever done. (Save Black Swan, his one and only burst of genuine creativity). I know the Kartem stans will try to claim that everything he did with her was a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, but IMO two things worked in his favour that series - 1) novelty factor and 2) Kara's performance carried the routines, despite the flawed choreography. Natalie, again IMO, doesn't really do that. She seems to pull the same strained face no matter what the dance, and never really captures the mood. She's technically great, but Artem's not showing that off properly.
His ballroom routines are new becoming totally indistinguishable from one another. If I see that sequence where they stick their arms out and bow to one another once more, I might scream.
Wow, this turned into an essay.
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.”
“He gets paid a fair bit for teaching her though and all we're asking is he uses his creativity to choreograph dances with the basic elements of each dance.
What bugs me about this is the posters who rattle on about how amazing Artem's choreography compared to the other pros. I doubt if the is a pro on the show who could not choreograph great dances every week if they followed Artem's example of ignoring the rules.”
I agree, a Buddy. I feel he is holding Natalie back now. I've warmed to her of late ,I'm seeing a spark at last but Artem not playing by the rules is annoying me, a lot.
No doubt he is a wonderful contemporary dancer and choreographer but this is Strictly, they pay his wages and he should deliver crowd pleasers that are within the rules.
Originally Posted by Smokeychan1:
“Exactly it. The first half I was thinking "when is it going to start?" the second half was disappointing realisation that that is all we were getting.”
“Exactly it. The first half I was thinking "when is it going to start?" the second half was disappointing realisation that that is all we were getting.”
I totally agree, Natalie is an excellent dancer and I felt a little disappointed that there was way too much waffting about. Shame.
Originally Posted by Kat_12:
“It's not just the posters, ITT and the main show do it as well. A few weeks ago during Len's Lens they even gave Artem a special round of applause! (I miss the rolleye smiley).
Yet, when other pros have tried to do something a little different, they've been torn to shreds both on the show and on DS. Despite the fact that they've usually produced something genuinely creative and far more closely resembling the dance they were supposed to be doing than anything Artem has ever done. (Save Black Swan, his one and only burst of genuine creativity). I know the Kartem stans will try to claim that everything he did with her was a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, but IMO two things worked in his favour that series - 1) novelty factor and 2) Kara's performance carried the routines, despite the flawed choreography. Natalie, again IMO, doesn't really do that. She seems to pull the same strained face no matter what the dance, and never really captures the mood. She's technically great, but Artem's not showing that off properly.
His ballroom routines are new becoming totally indistinguishable from one another. If I see that sequence where they stick their arms out and bow to one another once more, I might scream.
Wow, this turned into an essay.”
“It's not just the posters, ITT and the main show do it as well. A few weeks ago during Len's Lens they even gave Artem a special round of applause! (I miss the rolleye smiley).
Yet, when other pros have tried to do something a little different, they've been torn to shreds both on the show and on DS. Despite the fact that they've usually produced something genuinely creative and far more closely resembling the dance they were supposed to be doing than anything Artem has ever done. (Save Black Swan, his one and only burst of genuine creativity). I know the Kartem stans will try to claim that everything he did with her was a heartbreaking work of staggering genius, but IMO two things worked in his favour that series - 1) novelty factor and 2) Kara's performance carried the routines, despite the flawed choreography. Natalie, again IMO, doesn't really do that. She seems to pull the same strained face no matter what the dance, and never really captures the mood. She's technically great, but Artem's not showing that off properly.
His ballroom routines are new becoming totally indistinguishable from one another. If I see that sequence where they stick their arms out and bow to one another once more, I might scream.
Wow, this turned into an essay.
”
BIB Especially James and Brendan. Double standards !!!
I pretty much agree with everything you said as well.
Someone mentioned that they thought it might be because Natalie struggled with the 'in hold' position because of her back and that did make sense to me at the time but she has a beautiful back arch that dosnt seem to bother her at all and she coped perfectly in the swingathon so I am less convinced of that now. It does just seem that Artem is having his own way regardless. I've mentioned previously that it looks like he's doing a 'whatever' shrug at Lens comments and that is bound to wind Len up - I think it was that that caused him to be 'over the top' in his comments to Natalie this week - saying she is in jeopardy. It could have meant that if they were in the dance off he wouldn't have felt inclined to save them! That is one good reason to take some notice of him.
I would like to see her dance with Artem a little more than her skirt because for me on Saturday they could have been dancing in different rooms for all the difference it would have made to the routine.
I am disappointed in Artem this year as I have always loved his routines but personally I find they are getting predictable sadly. That said I don't think he is letting Natalie down simply because she is a strong woman who I am very sure can fight her own corner. She obviously enjoys performing his routines.
I would like to see her dance with Artem a little more than her skirt because for me on Saturday they could have been dancing in different rooms for all the difference it would have made to the routine.
I am disappointed in Artem this year as I have always loved his routines but personally I find they are getting predictable sadly. That said I don't think he is letting Natalie down simply because she is a strong woman who I am very sure can fight her own corner. She obviously enjoys performing his routines.
Originally Posted by Cadiva:
“According to that font of all knowledge Wiki - Modern pasodoble dance consists of two dancing parts and one break in between for dancers of class D and of three parts and two breaks in between for dancers of class C, B, A, according to the IDSF classification. I'm assuming the "dancing parts" refers to when the pair should be in hold.”
“According to that font of all knowledge Wiki - Modern pasodoble dance consists of two dancing parts and one break in between for dancers of class D and of three parts and two breaks in between for dancers of class C, B, A, according to the IDSF classification. I'm assuming the "dancing parts" refers to when the pair should be in hold.”
That's not how I'd read it. I think what they're calling 'breaks' are what I would call 'highlights'. You can see them in the dance that was linked before (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cv7TZ4PitNw) at about 40 seconds and again at 1.15 and about 2 minutes in (when the cymbal crashes).
As far as I know there isn't a particular requirement for amount of bars spent in hold, but if you don't dance in hold obviously you can't use any of the in hold steps (of which there are plenty in paso).
I really do wonder, since it's been mentioned, if the reason for reduced amount of time in hold and in certain elements of posture is possibly partly because Natalie might struggle with it since she did her back in (again). I know Artem is talking about wanting to create a story and an effect, but he might not want to say too much about working around her injury in case it causes a backlash (sorry, bad pun).
Choreography for Paso was pretty disappointing to be honest. He did badly with Kara as well as I remember.
Originally Posted by tokyo_salsagirl:
“Choreography for Paso was pretty disappointing to be honest. He did badly with Kara as well as I remember.”
“Choreography for Paso was pretty disappointing to be honest. He did badly with Kara as well as I remember.”
Err....no he didn't. Len said it was her best dance so far in the comp.The judges loved it. She got one ten as well.
I found it more enjoyable than Saturdays paso which was pretty boring tbh.
Originally Posted by wazzyboy:
“I really do wonder, since it's been mentioned, if the reason for reduced amount of time in hold and in certain elements of posture is possibly partly because Natalie might struggle with it since she did her back in (again). I know Artem is talking about wanting to create a story and an effect, but he might not want to say too much about working around her injury in case it causes a backlash (sorry, bad pun).”
“I really do wonder, since it's been mentioned, if the reason for reduced amount of time in hold and in certain elements of posture is possibly partly because Natalie might struggle with it since she did her back in (again). I know Artem is talking about wanting to create a story and an effect, but he might not want to say too much about working around her injury in case it causes a backlash (sorry, bad pun).”
Out of hold you are in control of your movements. In hold someone else has to lead you. It may just be the fear of being out of control of her back moves causes her to tense up. Also why she dropped her head every time she goes into a lift. Possibly physically preparing herself in the few nano seconds before it happens.
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