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Susanna and Kevin - Stitch up?
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Pices-55
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Odd, as I watch from 6am - 6:40 and have never seen that (apart from the two days a week when Susannah presents, and even then she never seems to reference SCD).

They do? When was that?



As do all of the other celebs. But you'll believe what you want to believe as long as it fits.”

They showed a clip of S&K dancing during Artem and Natalie's interview, they also brought up Susannah during Abbey and Aljaz's, and we only ever see the top of Natalie's head right at the back during Tesspit, Susannah is always placed (either by her own or the producers choice) just behind the couple receiving their scores.....always in the camera.
Jan2555*GG*
08-12-2013
I am a voting Susanna fan. The music was dreadful & we really don't know whose fault that was. If it was given to them then each couple has been lumbered at least once this series. Better music & they might have been able to do a better routine but they didn't. The swingathon they were very very unlucky/stitched up as there was no way that short period would have been fair on anyone. However it is what it is, they are bottom of the leaderboard & down to their fans to try & save them. If they are safe after last night then at least it's not down to any kind of judges manipulation or bias & pure public support.
jgivvy
08-12-2013
They tend to put the celeb bits on Breakfast towards the end of the show, from about 8.30 onwards. I watch the programme a lot and have done for several years and I'd say the SCD content is greater this year than last but it's done in a very different way.

They always used to interview the departing couple on either the Monday or Tuesday afterwards but that hardly happened last year and there was very little coverage of it at all on the show.

There has been a lot more this year but it seems to be more interviews with some of the remaining dancers a day or so before the main show - last week, Abbey was on and Ben and Mark have been on as well.

Susanna does mention SCD quite a lot when she's presenting which is inevitable as it's a big part of her day at the moment. And viewers know she's in it so it's not like she's spilling a big secret. But then I suppose the other side to that is that other contestants don't have that opportunity - but it doesn't mean that she should never talk about her participation.

As for her Argentine Tango, all the celebs have had bad music at some point - Fiona's rumba to Westlife was among the worst, I think. I certainly don't think Susanna and Kevin are alone in being lumbered at least once with a poor song.
j4Rose
08-12-2013
A lot of the song choices have been poor. Let's face it, her technique and performance were awful, even allowing for the music and the crappy choreography. It was uncomfortable to watch.
Cadiva
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by streetwise:
“Have things changed over the years? I assumed that it was the pro dancers that chose the music in previous years, probably consulting with band leader Dave to see if it was possible.”

Originally the professionals put forward a number of musical choices from which the producers would pick one. Then, a couple of series' ago, one of the pros mentioned they were then given a number of songs from which they chose their preferred and then this year we've had Ola tell the viewers quite clearly that she was given the music/theme for their Paso so I suspect that the producers have now taken over as part of the ridiculous idea that they have to "jazz" things up to attract the "younger" viewer.
mossy2103
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“They showed a clip of S&K dancing during Artem and Natalie's interview,”

I don't recall that. But maybe it was in some way relevant to the discussion. Would be odd otherwise.

Quote:
“they also brought up Susannah during Abbey and Aljaz's,”

They did? seems out of place, but maybe it was relevant.

Quote:
“and we only ever see the top of Natalie's head right at the back during Tesspit, Susannah is always placed (either by her own or the producers choice) just behind the couple receiving their scores.....always in the camera.”

Ah, a disgruntled Natalie fan perchance? Only joking ...

I could have sworn that I have seem much more of Natalie in Tess's area than just her head, must have been a trick of the light.

Sometimes, you see what you want to see.
FusionFury
08-12-2013
What was with Len's pervy comment about a newspaper sliding her hands up her leg seductively?
mossy2103
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by FusionFury:
“What was with Len's pervy comment about a newspaper sliding her hands up her leg seductively?”

It was a jokey comment about seeing newsreaders in a new light.

It wasn't pervy at all (at least, I didn't see it as so).
Pices-55
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“I don't recall that. But maybe it was in some way relevant to the discussion. Would be odd otherwise.

They did? seems out of place, but maybe it was relevant.

Ah, a disgruntled Natalie fan perchance?

I could have sworn that I have seem much more of Natalie in Tess's area, must have been a trick of the light.

You see what you want to see.”

A Natalie supporter yes...disgruntled no, showing and discussing S&K during other peoples interviews is not really relevant, I dont recall them showing anyone else's during other people's interviews.
You have never seen hardly anything of Natalie in the Tesspit and there has been plenty of discussion with regard to that and also Susannahs mugshot in every Tesspit scene.

BIB....this is why so many Natalie supporters steer clear of the main forum and why its so difficult for a Nat supporter to discuss anything on here with regard to the other contestants.
mossy2103
08-12-2013
As I said, you will see what you want to see ......


I'm not going to further indulge you.
Monaogg
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
“A Natalie supporter yes...disgruntled no, showing and discussing S&K during other peoples interviews is not really relevant, I dont recall them showing anyone else's during other people's interviews.
You have never seen hardly anything of Natalie in the Tesspit and there has been plenty of discussion with regard to that and also Susannahs mugshot in every Tesspit scene.

BIB....this is why so many Natalie supporters steer clear of the main forum and why its so difficult for a Nat supporter to discuss anything on here with regard to the other contestants.”


I too am a Natalie supporter and feel she has been unfairly vilified by people who do not know her and probably would never speak like that to her face.

However, I am also very cheesed off with Artem for relying too much on how graceful & elegant Natalie is out of hold and not dancing with her.

Yet woe betide I dare criticise anyone else.

Susanna fans cannot face the truth. Their last 3 dances were not good at all.

Sophie needs to show the something extra needed to raise her dancing above competent.

Abbey is the favoured one with the judges as they overlook faults, but it is clear she loves what she is doing.

Ashley looks exhausted. Well done for keeping going. I seriously suspect if he had been partnered by Natalie and had decent training time he could have won.

Patrick, has rhythm but is now looking stuck in a rut. Another one who has reached his limit.
Pices-55
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I too am a Natalie supporter and feel she has been unfairly vilified by people who do not know her and probably would never speak like that to her face.

However, I am also very cheesed off with Artem for relying too much on how graceful & elegant Natalie is out of hold and not dancing with her.

Yet woe betide I dare criticise anyone else.

Susanna fans cannot face the truth. Their last 3 dances were not good at all.

Sophie needs to show the something extra needed to raise her dancing above competent.

Abbey is the favoured one with the judges as they overlook faults, but it is clear she loves what she is doing.

Ashley looks exhausted. Well done for keeping going. I seriously suspect if he had been partnered by Natalie and had decent training time he could have won.

Patrick, has rhythm but is now looking stuck in a rut. Another one who has reached his limit.”

I so agree with you, the world and his dog is allowed to go to town on Natalie but as soon as its about anyone else its because you are a Natalie fan.
millie3
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“I too am a Natalie supporter and feel she has been unfairly vilified by people who do not know her and probably would never speak like that to her face.

However, I am also very cheesed off with Artem for relying too much on how graceful & elegant Natalie is out of hold and not dancing with her.

Yet woe betide I dare criticise anyone else.

Susanna fans cannot face the truth. Their last 3 dances were not good at all.

Sophie needs to show the something extra needed to raise her dancing above competent.

Abbey is the favoured one with the judges as they overlook faults, but it is clear she loves what she is doing.

Ashley looks exhausted. Well done for keeping going. I seriously suspect if he had been partnered by Natalie and had decent training time he could have won.

Patrick, has rhythm but is now looking stuck in a rut. Another one who has reached his limit.”


The previous 2 were not so good, but this weeks I don't think was any worse than other AT's in this series. She danced it fine but it lacked the passion needed. I'll keep voting for her all the time she is picked on on this forum particularly on the other thread. I actually like them all but I'll always stand up for the one I feel receives unnecessary personal criticism.
mossy2103
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“Susanna fans cannot face the truth. Their last 3 dances were not good at all.”

Which is why she did not score at all well, and ended up at the bottom or close to the bottom of the leaderboard. It's not her fault that she has a voting base that lifted her out of the danger zone, or that the music certainly did not help with the dance.

And I have found that it is not helpful if I blame others for any deficiencies in the couple that I am supporting.


It's only a light entertainment show after all, no big prizes and no-one dies. I will no doubt forget about the winner and the circumstances of the win a day after the final.
RoseAnne
08-12-2013
That music needed very quick flicks and kicks and very slick choreography. I think only Vincent and Flavia could have done an AT to that and made it work.
Monaogg
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by mossy2103:
“Which is why she did not score at all well, and ended up at the bottom or close to the bottom of the leaderboard. It's not her fault that she has a voting base that lifted her out of the danger zone, or that the music certainly did not help with the dance.

And I have found that it is not helpful if I blame others for any deficiencies in the couple that I am supporting.


It's only a light entertainment show after all, no big prizes and no-one dies.”


As you see I spread my blame equally. However from some comments you would think Susanna & Kevin are entirely blameless for their declining scores.
socialdancer
08-12-2013
I thought that AT was very poor, and Kevin's inexperience with it really showed. The choreography was not good and it was a very strange choice of music which was too fast for an AT.
mossy2103
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“As you see I spread my blame equally.”

But I chose to comment upon the part that stood out, the part in bold.

The part that was a sweeping statement.
The Swampster
08-12-2013
I don't believe that anyone is being deliberately "stitched up" but I do think the short time allowed in the swingathon before the judges started chucking couples out suggests they were voting with their preconceived notions of what the pairs were like, rather than what they actually did. Pre-swingathon posturing aside, once the music started, the first three couples out had very little time to make any kind of impression and - obviously - Susanna and Kevin had the least time of all.
Cadiva
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Monaogg:
“SOME Susanna fans cannot face the truth. Their last 3 dances were not good at all.”

You missed the vital word out of your opinion.
Sherlock_Holmes
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by millie3:
“The previous 2 were not so good, but this weeks I don't think was any worse than other AT's in this series. She danced it fine but it lacked the passion needed. I'll keep voting for her all the time she is picked on on this forum particularly on the other thread. I actually like them all but I'll always stand up for the one I feel receives unnecessary personal criticism.”

Sophie did a much sharper AT a few weeks back, whatever you may think of her (lol at it getting the same score!)
millie3
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by socialdancer:
“I thought that AT was very poor, and Kevin's inexperience with it really showed. The choreography was not good and it was a very strange choice of music which was too fast for an AT.”

The music was terrible, but don't blame Kevin for that, they don't choose the music!
TheWireRules
08-12-2013
Maybe an argument for dropping the band and getting some better pro's in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0JzER0-Djo

I know this was Free Style but they make the impossible work on that show....it often turns to a disaster when translated over here.
tabithakitten
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by millie3:
“The previous 2 were not so good, but this weeks I don't think was any worse than other AT's in this series. She danced it fine but it lacked the passion needed. I'll keep voting for her all the time she is picked on on this forum particularly on the other thread. I actually like them all but I'll always stand up for the one I feel receives unnecessary personal criticism.”

There has only been one other AT this series and it was worse than that. In fact it was godawful. The music didn't help but Susanna wasn't good and Kevin didn't have much of a clue either. Maybe I'm doing them a disservice but I really don't think better music would have helped much.
millie3
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Sherlock_Holmes:
“Sophie did a much sharper AT a few weeks back, whatever you may think of her (lol at it getting the same score!)”

Not in my opinion. They were both danced prettily but no passion or intensity in either.
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