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Becca_Green
08-12-2013
Ashley wife and james Jordan have suggested that if ashley was on tour would he have left.? It just comes across as sore losers I think ashley was a brilliant dancer but it was his time to leave the show. I really liked his salsa but there were other dancers I preferred to go to the semi final. Ben, mark are doing the tour but they are out. Patrick and sophie aren't even doing the tour but they've got to the semi final. It just comes across really unprofessional and bitter.
Scorpio2
08-12-2013
Disagree he was undermarked from the judges since day 1.
nanscombe
08-12-2013
If the public had voted for them they wouldn't have been in the dance off to start with ...
Jan2555*GG*
08-12-2013
Well they are all bound to be upset. It wasn't a good evening for them one way and another.
Vodka_Drinka
08-12-2013
I felt Ashley never really reached his full potential, I don't know why Hollyoaks allow their "stars" to take part in these shows if they're not going to allow them the time to practice? It's the same when they let them do Dancing on Ice.
StrictlyDownton
08-12-2013
I'm disappointed that they have gone from the show but I don't think it's as a result of them not going on tour. It was obvious that was never going to be possible. However I do agree that he was undermarked from dance 1 and has continued to be so. I do say that loosely though as sometimes he was marked fairly but comparable to other celebs for other dances in the same weeks he looked to be found wanting when he really wasn't.

He was brilliant - fantastic performance from Ashley and well worth watching for me.
StrictlyDownton
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“I felt Ashley never really reached his full potential, I don't know why Hollyoaks allow their "stars" to take part in these shows if they're not going to allow them the time to practice? It's the same when they let them do Dancing on Ice.”

This is why I think Jorgie Porter is leaving for a while.

I could be wrong though.
Scorpio2
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Vodka_Drinka:
“I felt Ashley never really reached his full potential, I don't know why Hollyoaks allow their "stars" to take part in these shows if they're not going to allow them the time to practice? It's the same when they let them do Dancing on Ice.”

Didn't Eastenders ban their stars from taking part for the same reason?
pabird
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Scorpio2:
“Didn't Eastenders ban their stars from taking part for the same reason?”

No they sent them to acting school instead
Daisy_M
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by Becca_Green:
“Ashley wife and james Jordan have suggested that if ashley was on tour would he have left.? It just comes across as sore losers I think ashley was a brilliant dancer but it was his time to leave the show. I really liked his salsa but there were other dancers I preferred to go to the semi final. Ben, mark are doing the tour but they are out. Patrick and sophie aren't even doing the tour but they've got to the semi final. It just comes across really unprofessional and bitter.”

I agree with you. It's understandable that they would be disappointed about it but that comment just smacks of sour grapes.
RachelBlackburn
08-12-2013
I wonder how much of a coincidence it is that he's leaving the show before they have to learn two full dance routines in a week. It's hard to conceive how he could fit in remotely enough training for that with the hours he's doing so I have to wonder if he's been pencilled in for this week for a while now...?
Scorpio2
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by pabird:
“No they sent them to acting school instead”

Dragonlady 25
08-12-2013
For actors in long running soaps, that is their living and they are contracted. I'm sure they could buy themselves out of their contract if they wanted to practice or join a tour associated with another show.

Be serious! These actors join Strictly etc because they WANT to. No one has their arm up their back, and as long as they meet their contractual obligations with their 'day job', everyone's happy. I'm sure they enjoy the extra cash just before Christmas.
Sally Mander2
08-12-2013
I thought Ashley was showing a lot of improvement since about three weeks back. Before then I thought he wasn't putting in enough time and effort into the training - but that seems to have changed. Yesterdays performance was significantly his best performance, and I thought he would just get better for the semi and possibly the final. Others have stagnated or have plateaued (Suzanne and I am sorry to say Sophie). I thought Patricks best performance was last week but this week I just didn't take to his rhumba.
BuddyBontheNet
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by nanscombe:
“If the public had voted for them they wouldn't have been in the dance off to start with ...”

If the judges hadn't over marked other couples they might not have been in the dance off.

Ashley could have got more votes than any couple other than Susanna.
bendymixer
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by StrictlyDownton:
“This is why I think Jorgie Porter is leaving for a while.

I could be wrong though.”


No Jorgie is doing DOI then off to Hollywood she planned leaving Hollyoaks before DOI offer came up
nanscombe
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by BuddyBontheNet:
“If the judges hadn't over marked other couples they might not have been in the dance off.

Ashley could have got more votes than any couple other than Susanna.”

Patrick / Anya managed to slip from near top of the leaderboard to the bottom two.

Susanna / Kevin managed to climb (at least two places) to safety.

Ashley / Ola didn't even manage to climb out of the bottom two.

The public failed to save them.


Last week he only had to beat Mark, imagine the fuss if he had lost to him instead …
fermyn
08-12-2013
Really sad to see Ashley go but am delighted that he'll be able to see more of his wife and family.

All the pre-Christmas excitement with a toddler and a chance to bond with the new baby vs. a tacky glitter ball?

Ashley, sweetheart, it's no contest
StrictlyDownton
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by bendymixer:
“No Jorgie is doing DOI then off to Hollywood she planned leaving Hollyoaks before DOI offer came up”

Ooh so she is doing DOI? It's just something I speculated because I knew she was planning to leave Hollyoaks and then read about BK not allowing leeway for his stars to do reality TV and I put 2 and 2 together after I heard about the DOI all stars edition
StrictlyDownton
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by fermyn:
“Really sad to see Ashley go but am delighted that he'll be able to see more of his wife and family.

All the pre-Christmas excitement with a toddler and a chance to bond with the new baby vs. a tacky glitter ball?

Ashley, sweetheart, it's no contest”

When you put it like that ....

His fiancee does seem quite upset though and she would do but when she thinks about it and tries waving him off after filming to training and then he reminds her that he's staying because he doesn't have to do that anymore and he can help put the kids to bed she'll forget all about being upset he's not in the show anymore I'm sure.

Now they can have a proper little family Christmas.
ladygardener
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by nanscombe:
“Patrick / Anya managed to slip from near top of the leaderboard to the bottom two.

Susanna / Kevin managed to climb (at least two places) to safety.

Ashley / Ola didn't even manage to climb out of the bottom two.

The public failed to save them.


Last week he only had to beat Mark, imagine the fuss if he had lost to him instead … ”

By my reckoning, Susannah and Kevin must have come top in the vote in order for Patrick, who was top of the leader board to be in the dance off. Not sure though. Susannah & Kevin had 2 points with the judges, Patrick & Anya had 6. So Susannah and Kevin had to get at least 6 and Patrick only 1 for Susannah not to be in the dance off and Patrick to be in the dance off. Any other place for either couple would have meant Patrick wouldn't have been in the dance off, or if he was Susannah would have been there too. Does that make sense? Does anyone who normally works out the scoring agree with this?
dome
08-12-2013
I have to say when the judges kept Rod Stewart's wife (simply because he had been booked to guest star imo) over Gabby Logan, I've championed the crap dancer just to stick it to them.

So I don't give a damn about the 'supposedly' best dancer.
Monkseal
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by ladygardener:
“By my reckoning, Susannah and Kevin must have come top in the vote in order for Patrick, who was top of the leader board to be in the dance off. Not sure though. Susannah & Kevin had 2 points with the judges, Patrick & Anya had 6. So Susannah and Kevin had to get at least 6 and Patrick only 1 for Susannah not to be in the dance off and Patrick to be in the dance off. Any other place for either couple would have meant Patrick wouldn't have been in the dance off, or if he was Susannah would have been there too. Does that make sense? Does anyone who normally works out the scoring agree with this?”

Susanna and Patrick could have had the same total points, because public vote takes precedence. So in terms of public vote she could have got 5 or 6 and him 1, or 6 and him 2. So we don't know that she was top, and we don't know that he was bottom.
echad
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by ladygardener:
“By my reckoning, Susannah and Kevin must have come top in the vote in order for Patrick, who was top of the leader board to be in the dance off. Not sure though. Susannah & Kevin had 2 points with the judges, Patrick & Anya had 6. So Susannah and Kevin had to get at least 6 and Patrick only 1 for Susannah not to be in the dance off and Patrick to be in the dance off. Any other place for either couple would have meant Patrick wouldn't have been in the dance off, or if he was Susannah would have been there too. Does that make sense? Does anyone who normally works out the scoring agree with this?”

Susanna had to be first or second in the public vote. If the judges leaderboard didn't tie Natalie and Patrick at the top, and Patrick was still at the top on his own, then Susanna would only have received 1 point from the judges - so to avoid the DO, we would know that she had topped the vote. But since there was a tie, she received 2 points from the judges, compared to Patrick's 6, so she could have come second in the public vote to get a total of 7 (2+5) if Patrick was last and also on a combined score of 7 (6+1).

Similarly, Patrick had to be last or second last. The only person who could have received less votes than him is Ashley. So if Patrick was second to last (6+2), Ashley would have had to have been last (3+1) and Susanna would have had to have been first (2+6).
olivej
08-12-2013
Originally Posted by nanscombe:
“If the public had voted for them they wouldn't have been in the dance off to start with ...”

Absolutely agree, they clearly didn't have enough public support to keep them out of the dance off
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