Like he told Amy in his pompous little lecture in last night's show?

He ought to remember, and take into account, that they were in a tv show, that the contraband rule was only because they were in a tv show, and that they were at no risk of not surviving. But then he'd have to admit that the "team" stuff, the excuse and rationalisation for disliking Amy, wasn't really so important after all.

your just trying to use this as an excuse to justify Amy's actions

Alfonso was probably more upset with the fact that Amy made Lucy hate him in the last few days he was in the camp.

Perhaps the same question should be more appropriately addressed to Amy. After all she's the one making a song and dance out of being hated and not fitting in.

The simple answer is YES

The arguments justifying the witch hunt of Amy are getting more and more ridiculous.Alfonzo carrying on like they were ship wrecked or something was cringe; and Rebecca going on about her ruining her reputation by suggesting that she put a bit of concealer on a zit was pathetic! In my opinion, Amy was a great contestant whose bad behaviour was entertaining and at worst immature, while the attitudes toward her of most of the others was small minded and showed nasty or weak elements of their characters. The only ones other than Amy who came out of it well were Kian, Vincezo, Steve and the otherwise irritating Joey

He plainly didn't mean 'survive' in a life or death sense, more a pulling together and putting your own needs second to the needs and comfort and atmosphere of the camp sense. It was against the rules and they all felt that the continued presence of contraband might backfire on them all at some stage and mean food penalties. That it didn't is neither here not there.

He may have been on the pompous side but he was also pretty restrained considering the skin-saving lies she told Lucy about him. So yes, an entirely justified lecture.

And yet Kian also passed comment about Amy's behaviour in the jungle. I guess that just leaves Vincent and Joey.

I agree with you. In addition the whole discussion between them seemed to be one of mutual agreement. Therefore invited by Amy. You can't complain later if asking for opinion and it doesn't match up to what you would like to hear.

he had a right to be annoyed he asked her politely to hand everything in but she didn't and then she went and told lucy a complete lie about him. amy is the one in the wrong because she only thought about herself in the jungle

Wasn't he the guy who wanted to take the money and run at the earliest possible opportunity ??? I'd say he's a hypocrite banging on about team, when he refused to do the trial that Steve ended up doing...or is that just me being cynical ??

He may have passed comments, as anybody would in that situation, but he withrew from the conversation whenever it turned into a character assassination of Amy. As Amy has pointed out, the issue of the concealer etc was just an excuse for the others to justify and increase their bitching about her. Kian, while a bit perplexed and pissed off at Amy's attitude towards contraband, was mature and self-aware enough not to become a useful fool for the school-yard bullies.

Talk about ignoring the issues! Rebecca was angry, as anyone would be, that Amy was using her tv platform to say that Rebecca had lied, then hypocritically criticised Amy. Rebecca had EVERY right to demand that the truth should be heard.

Stop exaggerating everything. There were no 'schoolyard bullies'; Amy suffered nothing worse than annoyed looks and tuts. She kept on and on saying what a lovely time she was having. Surely she wasn't LYING? Her perception of being bullied seemed to spring to life full-grown when she realized that people watching little snippets on tv thought she had been bullied. So much nicer for her than just thinking that she hadn't hit it off very well with the others.

As for the OP, yes, Alfonso has watched one too many Hollywood blockbusters imo, and was making his 'Cry God for Harry, England, and Saint George!'speech while he had the rare opportunity of 10 million viewers.

They went in as individuals and went out as individuals . They all got paid not as a team but as individuals . The highest amount given to one of them is reported to be £100,000 while Amy was supposed to be getting the smallest amount £25,000 .

They didn't get paid as a team . Maybe Alfonso would agree to all the fees added together and they all get an equal share, if he's so keen on this team idea.

[quote=wonkeydonkey;70272055]Talk about ignoring the issues! Rebecca was angry, as anyone would be, that Amy was using her tv platform to say that Rebecca had lied, then hypocritically criticised Amy. Rebecca had EVERY right to demand that the truth should be heard.

[B][B]It wasn't me ignoring the issue. If that was the issue why was Rebecca going on about her reputation as a swimmer being tarnished by Amy saying that she had used concealer. I'm not denying anyone's right to get the truth out there ( although I do not automatically assume that Rebecca's version is the truth). Rather, I was pointing out the way some of the contestants are blowing out of all proportion any issues that they had with Amy, and that this hysterical overreation is a symptom of their nead to justify their shameful treatment of her.
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[/b]Stop exaggerating everything. There were no 'schoolyard bullies'; Amy suffered nothing worse than annoyed looks and tuts. She kept on and on saying what a lovely time she was having. Surely she wasn't LYING? Her perception of being bullied seemed to spring to life full-grown when she realized that people watching little snippets on tv thought she had been bullied. So much nicer for her than just thinking that she hadn't hit it off very well with the others.

[B]Well, (a) you have either not been watching or have a very selective memory about the way Amy was upset. (b)I called it school yard bullying so as not to exagerate. That being said, a group of older women and men making it clear that they neither respected nor liked a young woman, and took every oportunity to convey that message to her and reinforce it amongst themselves is in my opinion shameful.[/b]

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cheers, its been a while

Imo Amy wasn’t bullied she was give hard truths by her ex-campmates how she wilfully and knowingly lied to their face not once but at least three times and thought it was ok until she was told of her actions could have a direct impact on the group circumstances and even after that she never really expressed any sort of real regret.

Hearing their annoyance of how much her ex-camp mates were displeased about her actions obviously hit a raw nerve and a guilty conscious that’s why she was reduce to tears.

They were already talking in a group it Rebecca who opened up the discussion. It was Amy who if you listen closely made out that by Rebecca mentioning her zit she wanted to use the concealer, but if you listen to Rebecca it sounded as if after mentioning her zit she was called over by Amy and it wasn’t until she in the toilet with Amy, Amy offered use of the contraband item, which Rebecca at the last minute decided not to use. It was like Amy wanted to ensure that if she got caught she could infer that other used it too (which she did).

Imo no one was ganging up on Amy but as Matthew quite rightly stated people were annoyed with her and he plainly stated he was personally annoyed with her that because had lied to him three times about the makeup. It may have looked harsh but from I saw no one was over talking they just wanted some answers.

If Amy wants to continue into that world then she should remember that she cannot get away with lying to people without some sort backlash when she’s found out. It is clear Amy didn’t learn from her previous reality stint, maybe she might learn from this one.

Amy being younger than her campmates is not an excuse for her to be treated any different. Remember ‘first impression counts’ and less not forget at the beginning Amy didn’t exactly endear herself to group which speaks volumes and then the lying too, respect goes both ways.

I agree

Well said. I agree

Good post.

Just like any other sports team or work team, then. People get paid differing amounts.

Are you really suggesting that respect for the communal good can only be bought?

What I found crazy was the way he was talking to her as though she had done something really really terrible, all she did was break some rules. In camp I thought maybe they were all stressed from having no food and that might have heightened their reactions to her not playing by the rules but they can't use that excuse for the wrap party, it was just pretty pathetic to watch really especially as they wouldn't let it go like some kind of witch hunt. I would aliken it to going to a school reunion ten years after finishing school and someone is still going on about something someone did back in high school as though it is still relevant

I can't think of many more terrible things in this sort of situation than betraying one of your team. You think it's no big deal, but Alfonso, and the rest of the team do, and so do the majority of the viewers, judging by the votes.

Which votes...she finished fifth?! Can't they get over it though...if they think she's selfish etc (which im not denying she is) can't they just accept it and move on...my point is what are they hoping to do as a result of this witch hunt...send her to prison?!