Good post

She wasn't given "hard truths". In camp, they mostly talked behind her back or made little sniping remarks or looks; nor was much said to her once they were out. It was closer to one of the more subtle forms of bullying than to giving her hard truths.

"Wilfully and knowingly lied to their face" is loaded language and mind-reading. It hasn't even been shown she lied.

She didn't do anything that calls for "real regret".

Alfonso's absurd claim that they needed to be a team to survive shows how they had to exaggerate the importance of being a "team" in order to rationalise their excessive dislike.

Well why (in your opinion) do you think they would they have that 'excessive dislike' as you stated?

That makes no sense as a reply to my post. It's not about justifying Amy's actions; it's about how ridiculous his pompous little lecture was.


It wouldn't make sense to ask the same question of Amy, because she didn't say they needed to be a team to survive in there.


There isn't a sense of survive that means that; and if they were really in the jungle needing to survive, they would try to keep any items that might help them. The whole issue of "contraband" wouldn't exist.


That it didn't shows that the producers didn't really care.


There were no skin saving lies. (Note that that's not saying there were no lies, though I also think, separately, that it's not been shown she lied.)

Ah, I get where you are coming from now Veri.

Amy the sole survivor that didn't conform.

Am I right?

I don't know, because I'm not sure what "Amy the sole survivor that didn't conform" is meant to say.

Well in your words she didn't have to go with the group thinking, therefore not conforming to to the group.

Therefore praised by you and others as the 'only' one who didn't go along this route......therefore again.....sole survivor.

Surprised I had to expand on this given you've been elaborating on these points quite a lot.

Interesting ... But you'll have to explain more than that, I'm afraid. Where have I praised her as the 'only' one who didn't go along this route? How would being the only one who didn't conform make her a 'sole survivor'?

Anyone who thinks he meant survive in the real terms should just behave.

Such things as prejudices and insecurities, group-think about the "team", and in some cases an exaggerated sense of their own significance and accomplishments and resentment that Amy didn't treat them as her betters.

Saying Amy didn't lie is just not the truth Veri. She did lie. She lied about the bras for starters. Said she was going to hand them in and didn't.

He would have to mean something like that for it to be so important to be a team. But I don't think he thought it through. It was more getting caught up in his own rhetoric and pomposity.

So in retrospect are you saying that Amy felt she was better than her camp mates? And went about things from the first day with that attitude?

I didn't say she didn't lie; I said it hasn't been shown that she did.


Then you seem to be another who thinks (incorrectly) that saying something that turns out not be true is all that's needed for something to be a lie.

But would you agree that the intent in helping Amy was there on each occasion regardless of his pomposity?

He meant the show and working as a team. He knows as well as all of them that they won't starve. His issue was with her lies.

No to both, because I haven't said either of those things. And I am very tired of people trying to put words into my mouth.

Rebecca confirmed it. She said Amy told her that she handed them in. She didn't and actually still had them. That is why Rebecca was shocked to see them.

Sure, he was talking about working as a team in the show, but in order to make it sound more important than it actually was, he made it sound like it was a matter of survival. If I were treating him as many treat Amy, I'd say he lied. Instead, I think he hadn't thought it through and got carried away with rhetoric and pomposity.

That makes no difference to what I said.

Amy was called the c word.

Amy is not the only one at fault here.

I am sorry but I do not like Lucy, Laila, Rebecca, Matthew or Alfonso one bit - I think they are awful people.

I didn't think I was putting words into your mouth and apologise if that's what you think I was doing.

However, it still merits the question as to attitudes when first arriving in camp and how you are going to want to be perceived by your fellow camp mates and the viewers.

And that is why I questioned whether or not Amy had set herself up to stand out from the others by certain actions she herself decided on.

There's no proof of the c word.

And yet it would appear that Amy was happy to have a meeting with him. I.e. giving his opinion respect.

If there isn't, it certainly does not negate Laila's treatment of amy all the way through.

"Do you know who she is?" being one of them.