What's wrong with asking that? Especially if one is acting so precious but is not a celebrity to the celebrities.

It was rude and uncalled for IMO.

Not if Ms Precious has been laying about on her ass doing nothing every day and expecting to be served.

But if that's the issue, they can say something that's about that, rather than instead making a big deal of whether they've heard of her.

There's been a noticeable tendency to take things the celebs say and "translate" them into one of the by now standard complains about Amy, no matter how far from the normal meaning of the words that is.

Well, here's what happens. A lot. Someone posts and says ___. They get a reply asking are you saying @$*%$, where @$*%$ is more extreme than what they actually said, ___. And the post with ___ in it is right there. So what is the point of the question? The post doesn't say @$*%$, and it's right there, so it can easily be seen that it doesn't say @$*%$. Moreover, this usually happens when either @$*%$ is something ridiculous, or it's pretty clear that @$*%$ would be a problem for other things the poster has been saying. So it doesn't look like it's really a request for clarification. It's more like putting words in the poster's mouth, but deniably. Then the poster either has to ignore it, and perhaps have people thinking they did mean @$*%$, or they have to spend time and effort pointing out that, no, they're not saying @$*%$. And often that's not the end of it, so the whole thing becomes a pain.

ANYway, my point was that Amy didn't like they were better than her; my point was not that she acted like she was better than them.

Amy was at least on camera by Alfonso, Matthew and Rebecca and I gather by some of the others off camera.


Your talking semantics at least on two occasions Amy did not hand in her all of her contraband items, if that’s not lying to her ex-campmates I don’t know what is. We saw on camera the process she went through to hand in the bikinis and the consealer and I’m quite certain on the other occasions she would have done the exactly same and that would have been in front of most them too.


Amy had the potential to do some networking and make lasting at least eleven friendships and from we have seen she’s only made one and that one is highly suspect. On the career front to further her or even explanding her career into a different fields I think she had limited herself with some potential employers seeing the program will make the decision of ruling her in or out of a job if they didn’t like the traits she displayed, imo opinion she came across as being selfish, manipulative and a liar, personally I would have second thoughts about buying any products she might be associated.

You have NO proof the C word was used ....

So if a stranger comes into your group ...you wouldn't ask who they are and where they have come from?
I know I would .,. Mo didn't know who she was..so she asked if anyone knew her.. I really don't see the big deal ..

No I wouldn't.

But they didn't know that, did they? They could only operate on the basis of what they expected camp rule-breaking to result in - food penalties.


We will have to agree to disagree on this one.

You know - the best thing would have been for the producers to withdraw the meals instead of issuing empty threats. THEN the campmates would have been REALLY angry and let Amy know whats what! But you know what the reaction on here would be don't you? 'Poor Amy - they're ganging up on her'.

I blame Nick Clegg!

No, the camp mates used 'non team player' as an excuse to justify their actually much more personal dislike of her.


Exactly and when Amy wanted to do a trial that he wanted to do he suddenly WOULD do it whatever.


I like that idea Can someone put that to him.


It was wasn't it


So Amy is a stranger in this scenario and the rest are a cohesive group This description gives a very telling interpretation of the camp mates view of Amy and how appallingly they acted towards her and treated her.

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It's hardly surprising when you consider Laila had Uma Thurman for a sister-in-law and spent time with Isabella Rossellini who was dating Laila's brother!

I don't think that was really the thrust of Mo's conversation. She had made the commmon mistake of supposing that people carry their fans (or programme's fans) with them when they do rtv shows. No one will ever mistake Mo's conversational style for the gentle cooing of a turtle dove, but I think what she was actually saying was "That's very odd. I expected those of us who are famous to get more votes than those who are not." In which case, she has now been disabused of this idea.

I don't think it was. You are missing out the extra, post-show anger Amy generated by slagging them all off to the tabloids. I'm pretty sure she came to the wrap party less liked than ever.

Absolutely. What I wanted to happen (because I'm evil and put my own entertainment before all else) was that on a day when someone had won the full quota of stars and they were all really really hungry and looking forward to dinner, the dinner bag would arrive containing only eg. 2 stars worth of food and a laminate saying a meal had been deducted for every (listed) item of contraband still in camp.

My idea of jungle fun.

Then there would have been no food whatsoever. Amy had contraband even when she left camp! What's so stupid with that woman is she tried her utmost in the trials to win meals, yet risked meals with her selfish attitude re contrand.

Veri, I don't know why you keep defending what is the indefensible in all honestly. We all saw Amy say she was handing her contraband in and she didn't. That is a FACT. We saw her having more and Kian and David looked visibly pissed off at her.

So she did lie. This is all fact on what we saw.

I only saw the coming out show lastnight as I was out Wednesday but I thought Al was really mature and sensible in how he dealt with Amy and I liked him a lot more than previously for it too

In Alfonso's (and a lot of people's) eyes she did do something quite terrible.

She told a friend of his or at least let the friend get the impression that he had said 'she's leading a hate campaign against you'.

He did no such thing ......it completely soured his relationship with Lucy (his friend) for the last few days in the camp. It was a complete LIE and it hurt people. Not a hanging offence but not something that is easy to forgive IMO. It was quite spiteful and simply said to get her off the hook and curry favour. Selfish little madam.

I think 'non team player' is the most neutral thing they can say. That is being very polite.

What else could they say 'she thought only about herself', 'she didn't contribute anything to the group', 'she was lazy, selfish, and didn't care that she annoyed everyone by lying and risking food?


All the campmates wanted Alfonso to do that trial, Amy wasn't sure and she wasn't a good catch. It's making a mountain out of it to say so differently.

And she got the next opportunity, and accepted. Just as happened with David, when the camp thought Rebecca would be better at the water trial.


Mo is a rough sort of a woman. She was both confused as she didn't know her from Adam AND saying 'who does she think she is', quite possibly.

After all, Amy had been lying around posing for a while and not helping in the camp. Mo may have been irritated by Amy and considered that her actions and attitude were acting 'as if she was the bloody Queen or something' to put it as MO would, or 'entitled'.

I think Amy's attitude could be seen like this, even if Mo isn't kind or subtle.

Amy is also responsible for her relationships with the campmates.

A bit of cheerful goodwill, and willingness to learn would have gone a way perhaps.

But, well ....no.

Unfortunately, I don't think it matters how much people like or dislike her behaviour on the show. As long as she is the focus of the series, and her behaviour wasn't racist, there will be rewards and plenty of work for her.

I was mostly on Amy's side until the day Amy cried and told Lucy that Al said Lucy was waging a campaign of hate against Amy. After that, I knew she was, imo, a liar. Seeing the clips of how she behaved on Katy Price's reality show (she seemed to be having the same problem with the others on that series) solidified in my mind that most of the complaints by the "bullies" in camp about her were probably legitimate.

Anyway, can't wait to see her on BB Bit on the Side next series!

Well said, thank god for a bit of perspective.(especially the bit in bold)

I don't think they gave her any "hard truths".


Semantics in the sense of a word means is important when so loaded a term as "lie" is being used. Those who complain about "semantics" in such a case should consider whether they'd be just as happy with descriptions that didn't use "lie" or some equivalent. People are using "lie" -- and often "LIE", as if merely calling it a lie didn't make it sound bad enough -- because they think the "semantic" difference matters. So they can't really complain when they're called on it.

"Little snippets" that revealed a lot about what was going on and was evidence that hadn't been available to her while she was in the jungle because it was behind her back. That sort of behind backs stuff can even be part of bullying.

You are misunderstanding caps or bold used for emphasis.

That's not semantics.

Semantics has been used in these arguments, and that has been highlighted.