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Old 12-12-2013, 09:24
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(As a Luke fan)Sam really deserves the win more than anyone, she has been the most consistent, more experienced with the best voice out of the 3 by far and it would be nice for an over/girl to win again
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:28
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Luke is my favourite, but I don't think him winning will do him any favours; so I'm hoping for 2nd place and last standing boy.

Sam I think needs the win more. Nicholas wont have any success either way
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:34
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Out of the three, it should be the most talented/person with the X Factor that should win the comp.

To me that means a person who is passionate, quirky and interesting - that is Luke! If anyone should win it's him. Sam B has been overhyped to death. Luke's the musician, singer/songwriter - there's no contest IN MY OPINION.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:37
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Out of the three, it should be the most talented/person with the X Factor that should win the comp.

To me that means a person who is passionate, quirky and interesting - that is Luke! If anyone should win it's him. Sam B has been overhyped to death. Luke's the musician, singer/songwriter - there's no contest IN MY OPINION.
Didn't you want Tamera to win before?

How can you say the songwriter/musician SHOULD win yet want Tamera to win? It's weird that your whole view has changed from wanting Tamera - who isn't a musician or songwriter- to win, then saying someone should win because they are a musician!

Sam B has killed the competition this year and should win. No question about it.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:43
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I agree,I am a BIG Luke fan but actually I dont want him to win(because I want him to be able to do his own thing after the show) and I do think Sam deserves to win.She has been great every week and she really wants it and winning could really change her and her families lives.Luke and Nicholas are only 17 they have so much time to continue their careers
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:44
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Didn't you want Tamera to win before?

How can you say the songwriter/musician SHOULD win yet want Tamera to win? It's weird that your whole view has changed from wanting Tamera - who isn't a musician or songwriter- to win, then saying someone should win because they are a musician!

Sam B has killed the competition this year and should win. No question about it.
First four words - pretty much sum it up. OUT OF THE THREE.

Also I supported Tamera, that's not necessarily saying that I thought she would win it (I've always said anyway that Sam's going to win).
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:48
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I agree,I am a BIG Luke fan but actually I dont want him to win(because I want him to be able to do his own thing after the show) and I do think Sam deserves to win.She has been great every week and she really wants it and winning could really change her and her families lives.Luke and Nicholas are only 17 they have so much time to continue their careers
It could be said after singing professionally for nearly twenty years Sam has more than had a chance to change her families life but for whatever reason shes never got to the top which is what confuses me to be honest. Shes had the exposure for sure.
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:51
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First four words - pretty much sum it up. OUT OF THE THREE.

Also I supported Tamera, that's not necessarily saying that I thought she would win it (I've always said anyway that Sam's going to win).
But Luke was top 5, as Tamera was. You supported Tamera hugely and made it clear in ranking threads that Tamera should be first.

It's just weird how someone can go from supporting the act with least musicianship to then using "he is a musician" as the excuse for Sam or Nicholas not winning!
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Old 12-12-2013, 09:54
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I doubt you'll get consensus on here. Me, I want Luke...or Sam, actually, definitely Sam. Well, not Nick anyway. Unless Nick's best on the night.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:01
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But Luke was top 5, as Tamera was. You supported Tamera hugely and made it clear in ranking threads that Tamera should be first.

It's just weird how someone can go from supporting the act with least musicianship to then using "he is a musician" as the excuse for Sam or Nicholas not winning!
How does Tamera have the LEAST musicianship? If we're talking about taking a song and putting your own stamp on it then what musicianship do Sam Bailey and Nick have? The only proper musicians we had this year are Abi and Luke. Abi failed at times but she still tried to put her own stamp on songs. It's that about Luke that I appreciate and enjoy.

Luke's always been my 2nd or 3rd favorite too actually - I haven't suddenly switched sides. If one of your favorites leaves - don't you start supporting the other?

And wow you've really misinterpreted the meaning of the ranking threads? Are those rankings on who we thought was best on the night or who we want to win? Considering they change weekly I'd think it's the former. Anyway this argument is pointless, because I said 'OUT OF THE THREE, I WANT LUKE TO WIN' just to reiterate.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:02
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Out of the three, it should be the most talented/person with the X Factor that should win the comp.

To me that means a person who is passionate, quirky and interesting - that is Luke! If anyone should win it's him. Sam B has been overhyped to death. Luke's the musician, singer/songwriter - there's no contest IN MY OPINION.
Didn't you want Tamera to win before?

How can you say the songwriter/musician SHOULD win yet want Tamera to win? It's weird that your whole view has changed from wanting Tamera - who isn't a musician or songwriter- to win, then saying someone should win because they are a musician!

Sam B has killed the competition this year and should win. No question about it.
Fireemblemcraze's main theme is that s/he just doesn't want Nick to win. Nor would s/he be happy if Sam won, but s/he'll take her over Nick. It has nothing to do with Luke.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:10
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Fireemblemcraze's main theme is that s/he just doesn't want Nick to win. Nor would s/he be happy if Sam won, but s/he'll take her over Nick. It has nothing to do with Luke.
Haha this is just wrong. I've always been a fan of Luke too. And I think what I said about him and why I appreciate him proves that.

Also I haven't mentioned Nick really on this thread aside from talking about his lack of musicianship (that is his lack of ability to put his own stamp on music) which you still haven't commented on. It's this whole 'everyone's against precious Nicky' again. So how you derived that I don't want Nick to win from what I've said on this thread is beyond me.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:14
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Haha this is just wrong. I've always been a fan of Luke too. And I think what I said about him and why I appreciate him proves that.

Also I haven't mentioned Nick really on this thread aside from talking about his lack of musicianship (that is his lack of ability to put his own stamp on music) which you still haven't commented on. It's this whole 'everyone's against precious Nicky' again. So how you derived that I don't want Nick to win from what I've said on this thread is beyond me.
So are we suppose to ignore everything you say in other threads?

PS - I want Sam to win, he's not my precious Nicky. He has, however, been given a raw deal.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:15
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I'm supporting Luke but hope he can make runner up. I think Sam would benefit most from winning.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:20
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So are we suppose to ignore everything you say in other threads?

PS - I want Sam to win, he's not my precious Nicky. He has, however, been given a raw deal.
Tbh I couldn't care less who wins because as others have said creative input is compromised when you sign a deal with Syco.

But if anyone DESERVES it out of the final 3, it's the musician who puts his own stamp on whatever he sings and puts so much passion into whatever he sings and that's Luke.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:29
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Tbh I couldn't care less who wins because as others have said creative input is compromised when you sign a deal with Syco.

But if anyone DESERVES it out of the final 3, it's the musician who puts his own stamp on whatever he sings and puts so much passion into whatever he sings and that's Luke.
Deserves to win because he's a bit crap, but at least tries? That's odd. I like Luke and want him to win because he entertains me, but he's not much of a creative force is he? He's no Nick Cave or Neil Hannon or Richard David James. If he was he wouldn't be on the show and certainly wouldn't have got far.

Luke is cool, nice, has a sense of identity and an OK voice, but he is still highly derivative. His song writing might be better than his interpretation though.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:45
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I agree Sam should win her audition performances are awesome as are those performances on the show.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:54
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It could be said after singing professionally for nearly twenty years Sam has more than had a chance to change her families life but for whatever reason shes never got to the top which is what confuses me to be honest. Shes had the exposure for sure.
I dont know much about her singing career except that she sung on a cruise ship I think?but maybe she just never got the break she needed.
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Old 12-12-2013, 10:57
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It doesn't matter who wins as none of them will ever be heard of in 12 months time
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:54
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Tbh I couldn't care less who wins because as others have said creative input is compromised when you sign a deal with Syco.

But if anyone DESERVES it out of the final 3, it's the musician who puts his own stamp on whatever he sings and puts so much passion into whatever he sings and that's Luke.
Fireemblemcraze: Queen of the moving goal posts.

1/ They're all musicians. Just because someone plays a guitar doesn't make them more of a musician - it's another string to their bow that's all. Indeed, I would argue Sam and Nick are both more musical singers than Luke is - they have better control and have a better understanding of dynamics and a stronger grasp of applying them within their performances.

2/ Copying another band's arrangement of a 1D song isn't his own stamp. Nor is turning a Beyonce song into a Mumford's pastiche.
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Old 12-12-2013, 11:56
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She would be a sure fire winner of The Voice, but no X Factor for me, but then scruffy and jocky pre-teen have even less
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:24
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Tbh I couldn't care less who wins because as others have said creative input is compromised when you sign a deal with Syco.

But if anyone DESERVES it out of the final 3, it's the musician who puts his own stamp on whatever he sings and puts so much passion into whatever he sings and that's Luke.
I agree Luke does put passion into his singing but it seems to be misdirected to me, comes across more as desperation to be liked rather than a connection with the song.
Just playing an instrument is no passport to musicianship. Sam C played guitar as well. Most guitar players in bands can sing as well. Some lead, some backing and some don't want to. In my experience those that don't can all usually sing in tune but just not got the tonal qualities. Luke does seem to struggle with the basics. Unlike Nick the notes he is missing are not outside his comfort zone, just missed!
I will also add that Sam can put her own stamp on things. I thought her take on candle in the wind was quite a revelation for me. Her emphasis within the lyrics and phrasing refreshed a song that I thought I had heard enough of. She does connect with songs and attempts to convey her interpretation.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:28
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Fireemblemcraze: Queen of the moving goal posts.

1/ They're all musicians. Just because someone plays a guitar doesn't make them more of a musician - it's another string to their bow that's all. Indeed, I would argue Sam and Nick are both more musical singers than Luke is - they have better control and have a better understanding of dynamics and a stronger grasp of applying them within their performances.

2/ Copying another band's arrangement of a 1D song isn't his own stamp. Nor is turning a Beyonce song into a Mumford's pastiche.
This is grossly exaggerated...I don't have any goal post...I have supported a select number of contestants. But for some reason people seem to think that if you like one contestant then you can't like anyone else. Likewise if your favorite is gone in the competition you can't go onto your second favorite and want them to win competition. Blasphemy! It's all about some convoluted sense of loyalty!

I supported Tamera because I liked her style but I've also liked Luke ever since Kiss From a Rose which I think was fantastic! Hannah was my favorite before until Week 4. Relley, Tom Mann and Andrea were my favorites before them. Support can change. Favorites change.

1) Arguably in terms of technicalities in singing, I don't Nick has nailed it either. Sam arguably has but I don't think he has. He has not got good enough range. You can hear it in the Greatest Day. Also there's a lot more to a performance than pitch and it's about the build up and dynamic. That's why Ella's Bring Me To Life was horrible and why James's Let's Get It On was spot on (btw I'm a fan of both of them). Luke's Kiss From a Rose actually was a great demonstration of his control. He hit all the notes and that falsetto he nailed. It was spot on.

2) What about Play That Funky Music, Skinny Love, Kiss From a Rose where he did his own thing? Also I'm familiar with some of his youtube stuff and it's really quite good and original. Oh yes and let's not forget that anything that is folk rock sounds like Mumford and Sons. He's a singer/songwriter and while that in itself isn't really saying anything, the fact that he can put his own twist on something and interpret it differently is what makes him a musician. He's got his own style. Abi did too. What about Nick's style and Sam's style suggests any kind of uniqueness?
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:28
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It doesn't matter who wins as none of them will ever be heard of in 12 months time
I still don't understand why that's a problem, especially given XF's history for foisting truly awful singers on the pop-buying public.
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Old 12-12-2013, 12:37
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There's **** all quirky and interesting about tubby.

Out of the three, it should be the most talented/person with the X Factor that should win the comp.

To me that means a person who is passionate, quirky and interesting - that is Luke! If anyone should win it's him. Sam B has been overhyped to death. Luke's the musician, singer/songwriter - there's no contest IN MY OPINION.
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