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Old 13-12-2013, 09:30
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So you want her to be diverse and sing different styles of songs [contemporary, upbeat, disco, ballad] but your not happy for her to sing them as they are you want her to change the songs so they don't sound like the originals.

But when she does that [candle in the wind] it takes away from the subtlety of the original?

Talk about making someone jump through hoops to impress you

I get the feeling that no matter what she did people would still find something to pick at her about.

As someone on here so eloquently put

'This is a competition.

When you compete, you go out there and do what you do best in order to win. You DON'T go out there and do stuff that would put you outside of your comfort zone just to please people.

You wouldn't see Wayne Rooney playing in goal just because people are fed up with watching him score goals.'
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:36
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if wayne rooney went out every week and did the same thing then defenders would know what to expect and be able to defend against him so he would quite quickly struggle to score goals

flawed analogy I'm afraid
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:39
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if wayne rooney went out every week and did the same thing then defenders would know what to expect and be able to defend against him so he would quite quickly struggle to score goals

flawed analogy I'm afraid
Wrong

He has to go out there and do the same thing every week because that's his niche

He just has to go out there and deliver his niche to a high standard. Be better than all the other players

Be stronger and fitter and more confident in his niche than ever before

That's a winner
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:40
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Wrong

He has to go out there and do the same thing every week because that's his niche

He just has to go out there and deliver his niche to a high standard. Be better than all the other players

Be stronger and fitter and more confident in his niche than ever before

That's a winner
nope yet again you show your lack of understanding about what being predictable means
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:43
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nope yet again you show your lack of understanding about what being predictable means
Tamera was predictable

I predicted every week that she's sound like a mediocre Rihanna tribute and thrashes forget her lines

What dya know
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:44
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Tamera was predictable

I predicted every week that she's sound like a mediocre Rihanna tribute and thrashes forget her lines

What dya know
and your point is ?
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:47
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My point is If you know the artists work

If you know their style, what they excel at.

That they're goin to send shivers down your spine

That they're not gonna let you down and deliver a flawless performance

Beyonce
Tina turner
Rihanna
Celine

What does predictability matter

I don't wanna be taken by surprise I wanna sit back, enjoy the show and the music and feel safe in the knowledge that I'm gonna get a thumping good concert
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:49
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and as I said in the other thread if listening to a second rate copy of those acts does it for you then I'm happy for you

theres hundred's of people all over the country that can do decent karaoke like sam does , she was just lucky that she got the chance to do it in a year where the competition was so poor
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:50
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and as I said in the other thread if listening to a second rate copy of those acts does it for you then I'm happy for you

theres hundred's of people all over the country that can do decent karaoke like sam does , she was just lucky that she got the chance to do it in a year where the competition was so poor
Tell me then

Who IS original to you?
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:53
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anyone who doesn't just do karaoke versions exactly the same as the song was done by the original artist
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:54
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anyone who doesn't just do karaoke versions exactly the same as the song was done by the original artist
But you didn't like when she changed candle in the wind?

Also a name would be helpful
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:58
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She's the most versatile left.

She smashes every Ballad.
She smashed Disco week.
She smashed Big Band Week.

She comes out on top every week with every song.
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Old 13-12-2013, 09:59
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But you didn't like when she changed candle in the wind?

Also a name would be helpful
no because she changed it into a power ballad which showed she didn't understand what the song was about

delivery of a song is as important as how strong you are vocally

I could list a number of acts but I very much doubt my taste in music is the same as yours , and tbf I answered your question , anyone who doesn't just sing cover versions is by default an original artist

someone who does cover versions but shows some artistry and musicianship to change the song and make it better at least attempt originality, like alex and sierra have been doing on XF USA for example
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Old 13-12-2013, 10:05
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no because she changed it into a power ballad which showed she didn't understand what the song was about

delivery of a song is as important as how strong you are vocally

I could list a number of acts but I very much doubt my taste in music is the same as yours , and tbf I answered your question , anyone who doesn't just sing cover versions is by default an original artist

someone who does cover versions but shows some artistry and musicianship to change the song and make it better at least attempt originality, like alex and sierra have been doing on XF USA for example
What made her rendition of Candle in the wind sound power ballad?

Your problem is you've mentally grouped her into one category when she can do loads
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Old 13-12-2013, 10:07
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She's the most versatile left.

She smashes every Ballad.
She smashed Disco week.
She smashed Big Band Week.

She comes out on top every week with every song.
Totally agree I cant wait for Edge of glory, its well within her versatilty and she is gonna rock the house, or should I say arena
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Old 13-12-2013, 10:09
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What made her rendition of Candle in the wind sound power ballad?

Your problem is you've mentally grouped her into one category when she can do loads
yeah that's it , I'm the deluded one thinking sam is one dimensional ...
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Old 13-12-2013, 10:09
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Totally agree I cant wait for Edge of glory, its well within her versatilty and she is gonna rock the house, or should I say arena
I'm so excited for Edge of Glory

Her song choices this week are perfect
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Old 13-12-2013, 10:10
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yeah that's it , I'm the deluded one thinking sam is one dimensional ...
You are definitly DEFINITYLY in a very very small minority
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Old 13-12-2013, 11:35
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You know, there is a little bit of me, deep down inside, who really wants Sam to lose. Nothing against Sam as I don't really care who wins, but just to hear the screams of outrage from certain fans that are so smug and self satisfied about how wonderful Sam is.

I know it's not nice of me but certain people are really irritating with their inability to comprehend that Sam is not perfect and that some people just don't rate her.
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Old 13-12-2013, 11:41
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You know, there is a little bit of me, deep down inside, who really wants Sam to lose. Nothing against Sam as I don't really care who wins, but just to hear the screams of outrage from certain fans that are so smug and self satisfied about how wonderful Sam is.

I know it's not nice of me but certain people are really irritating with their inability to comprehend that Sam is not perfect and that some people just don't rate her.
So you just want to be controversial and deliberately provocative because its not what everyone else is doing?

Thats how hipsters think

Sam has been PERFECT

note perfect
tone perfect
timing perfect
performance perfect

no more to say

she's the best and deserves to win
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Old 13-12-2013, 11:41
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You know, there is a little bit of me, deep down inside, who really wants Sam to lose. Nothing against Sam as I don't really care who wins, but just to hear the screams of outrage from certain fans that are so smug and self satisfied about how wonderful Sam is.

I know it's not nice of me but certain people are really irritating with their inability to comprehend that Sam is not perfect and that some people just don't rate her.
all we would get then is the "its better that she didn't win anyway as syco would ruin her"

now wheres that rolleye smilie gone

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Old 13-12-2013, 11:59
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So you just want to be controversial and deliberately provocative because its not what everyone else is doing?

Thats how hipsters think

Sam has been PERFECT

note perfect
tone perfect
timing perfect
performance perfect

no more to say

she's the best and deserves to win
All the more reason I would laugh if she lost. I was not being controversial, I was making a point about the problem of uber fans. And you thunder straight in to prove my point. Well done you.
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Old 13-12-2013, 12:19
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nope yet again you show your lack of understanding about what being predictable means
Saw that coming!
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Old 13-12-2013, 12:23
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I honestly don't understand how you can accuse her of not being versatile, she has smashed absolutely every theme the show has thrown at her.

She's done ballads, up-tempo contemporaries, older up-tempo songs. She even manages to do well in all the group songs! Not to mention the audition stages.

What are people honestly expecting her to pull out the bag? A drum n bass rave anthem? Bohemian Rhapsody in a capella?

She's an absolute queen.
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Old 13-12-2013, 12:24
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I honestly don't understand how you can accuse her of not being versatile, she has smashed absolutely every theme the show has thrown at her.

She's done ballads, up-tempo contemporaries, older up-tempo songs. She even manages to do well in all the group songs! Not to mention the audition stages.

What are people honestly expecting her to pull out the bag? A drum n bass rave anthem? Bohemian Rhapsody in a capella?

She's an absolute queen.
if you actually read the thread no-one has accused her of not being versatile

she has been very good at copying a couple of different styles

just a pity she hasn't found one of her own yet
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