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Safari quits constantly on new ipad Air
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Stig
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by ihatemarmite:
“Any proper fix will have to come from Apple. Right now they're just raking it in with Xmas sales no doubt.”

iOS 7.1 is reported to fix a lot of these issues. Apple are working on it.
ihatemarmite
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Stig:
“iOS 7.1 is reported to fix a lot of these issues. Apple are working on it.”

A developer posted on Apple support communities forum that it's more stable with iOS 7.1, so yes hope that's right. I also hope it's released asap. When they've got it right. There does seem a lot of complacency and releasing updates that aren't up to it. iOS 6 performed far better than iOS 7.
Stig
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by ihatemarmite:
“A developer posted on Apple support communities forum that it's more stable with iOS 7.1, so yes hope that's right. I also hope it's released asap. When they've got it right. There does seem a lot of complacency and releasing updates that aren't up to it. iOS 6 performed far better than iOS 7.”

I'm not defending Apple for their mistakes (in fact Safari crashed typing this post) but don't forget the IPad Air and mini retina use a brand new 64-bit CPU with an accompanying 64-bit version of iOS 7. I'm surprised how well it works.
BKM
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Stig:
“I'm not defending Apple for their mistakes (in fact Safari crashed typing this post) but don't forget the IPad Air and mini retina use a brand new 64-bit CPU with an accompanying 64-bit version of iOS 7. I'm surprised how well it works.”

+1 from me on this entire post! Yes Safari crashes more often than before - it is not THAT often for me and I expect it to be fixed next release!
ihatemarmite
27-12-2013
Someone on Apple support community forum posted that as a developer,they'd found that 7.0.1 update still doesn't sort out the major issues many people are having with ios 7. (Yesterday my ipad camera wouldn't move from video to photo until after yet another reboot).

There's a petition on Change.org. Please sign and pass on the link so that Apple can know that loyal customers are fed up and will sort it out
https://www.change.org/petitions/app...e-experiencing
Stig
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by ihatemarmite:
“Someone on Apple support community forum posted that as a developer,they'd found that 7.0.1 update still doesn't sort out the major issues many people are having with ios 7. (Yesterday my ipad camera wouldn't move from video to photo until after yet another reboot).

There's a petition on Change.org. Please sign and pass on the link so that Apple can know that loyal customers are fed up and will sort it out
https://www.change.org/petitions/app...e-experiencing”

Do you mean 7.0.1 or 7.1?

Perhaps you could post a link to the Apple Support thread in question
ihatemarmite
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Stig:
“Do you mean 7.0.1 or 7.1?

Perhaps you could post a link to the Apple Support thread in question”

There are quite a few, but this is the main one I'm following
https://discussions.apple.com/messag...23456#24268810
alanwarwic
28-12-2013
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206?tstart=0I'm now half thinking that the memory management system can strategically kill any process when the memory is low.

This might be just hot Air, but it is also possible that 64 bit and/or IOS 7 is a memory hog, thus increasing the likelihood of process killing.
Dancefan8001
29-12-2013
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206?tstart=0I'm now half thinking that the memory management system can strategically kill any process when the memory is low.

This might be just hot Air, but it is also possible that 64 bit and/or IOS 7 is a memory hog, thus increasing the likelihood of process killing.”

My iPad Air has worked flawlessly on Safari from the day I got it. Unlike iPad 4, which lost connectivity every few minutes. YMMV.
psionic
29-12-2013
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“https://discussions.apple.com/thread/5532206?tstart=0I'm now half thinking that the memory management system can strategically kill any process when the memory is low.”

Surely all OSes will do that if it detects resources are under heavy strain?
Quote:
“This might be just hot Air, but it is also possible that 64 bit and/or IOS 7 is a memory hog, thus increasing the likelihood of process killing.”

More likely a bug if certain websites especially some hosting live automatically refreshing content (such as comments sections) are causing apps to shutdown. What is odd is that it is not affecting all devices with iOS 7 + 64bit CPUs. Only Apple can really answer by running debugging tools on their Safari code to detect memory leaks etc. (especially accentuated by certain hardware combinations).
alanwarwic
29-12-2013
Originally Posted by psionic:
“..Surely all OSes will do that if it detects resources are under heavy strain?..”

Why?

Surely, they normally just slow down. The main example of this is when too many tabs are open in a web browser.
Roush
29-12-2013
I don't know about the inner workings of Windows Phone, but both Android and iOS can (and do) kill processes and apps to recover resources if necessary.
psionic
29-12-2013
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Why?

Surely, they normally just slow down. The main example of this is when too many tabs are open in a web browser.”

Because surely it is far preferable for the OS to kill hung processes and apps then let them hog resources and bring the whole system to a grinding halt? The OS has the overall command of the system and available resources, not the apps.
ihatemarmite
02-01-2014
it's been quitting & going back to home screen on Chrome too, when browsing. However Chrome is still doable, which Safari isn't.
iPad camera froze on video setting - wouldn't go back to camera.
I signed up for email alerts on the Apple support community forum thread (already posted link) on the problem. It's buzzing with angry people. No idea if Apple are any nearer to solving it. Btw it's not the iCloud issue as I did what was suggested and it's made no difference at all.
alanwarwic
13-01-2014
I came across this a while back.It has been getting used on Apple forums too so you can test your IOS browser here.

https://discussions.apple.com/thread...rt=45&tstart=0
It simply tells you the memory point it crashes. Each device is different in that it may depend on your configuration state.

It ties in with stuff like Google maps crashing and may be why Nokie Here got pulled.
As far as I know, memory management via crash has almost always been on IOS, and it is also possible that Apple has lowered the limits.
So if web sites and apps can shrink and adapt to these lower limits then all could be fine.
The post on the next page(5) is sort of cute.

There is mention of a possible fix with iOS 7.1 beta 3. If someone has that then they can run that linked test too to see any memory crash point.
mersey70
13-01-2014
I am encountering the Safari closedown issues on an iPad Air too, I wouldn't say it happens regularly but certainly enough times for it to be a bit annoying.

It seems to happen most if I want to read a twitter post from a link in a google search but it's not limited to that, it seems it can happen on any website.

If it's pertinent I don't tend to run multiple applications at the same time.
edEx
13-01-2014
Yeah, my Air also does that sometimes. It's not too annoying, as Safari will open the pages you were visiting when you re-open the app. Hope 7.1 fixes it though.
Stig
14-01-2014
I'm certain that the problem with apps crashing and reboots is worse since 7.0.4. There is also a problem where Mail takes ages to update.

I hope 7.1 arrives soon and lives up to expectations.
alanwarwic
16-01-2014
http://www.greensock.com/ios7/

" all to promote native app development via the App Store. It’s the same politics at work in the Steve Jobs missive about Flash!"

You sense there that many there feel that the problem could be permanent.
In past history, with IE's destructions of standards, web developers had to do work rounds so maybe that is the way everyone will go.
Dave1979
16-01-2014
Bought my 128gb Air at the weekend - had no issues with those sites at all
alanwarwic
20-01-2014
Google's IOS Chrome browser has introduced image compression so maybe using this will alleviate the Apple webkit restrictions.
I was noticing that there are also plenty of reports that the Google maps api has the very same problem.

I'm fairly certain that Nokia Here got removed because of the new memory restrictions, that being a web app.
remembering that Nokia said 'IOS 7' effects user experience, they likely did not see any gain in rewriting to adhere to these new limitations.

Whether instigated on purpose,, it really appears to be Apple pushing developers to write native apps rather than use cross platform friendly web apps.
I never did quite believe Google's argument about forking webkit but looking at it, as Apple's garden walls expand, the web is more and more being seen as the main weed that stunts income growth.
kidspud
20-01-2014
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Google's IOS Chrome browser has introduced image compression so maybe using this will alleviate the Apple webkit restrictions.
I was noticing that there are also plenty of reports that the Google maps api has the very same problem.

I'm fairly certain that Nokia Here got removed because of the new memory restrictions, that being a web app.
remembering that Nokia said 'IOS 7' effects user experience, they likely did not see any gain in rewriting to adhere to these new limitations.

Whether instigated on purpose,, it really appears to be Apple pushing developers to write native apps rather than use cross platform friendly web apps.
I never did quite believe Google's argument about forking webkit but looking at it, as Apple's garden walls expand, the web is more and more being seen as the main weed that stunts income growth.”

I haven't read any reports explaining why nokia removed the map app other than the nokia quote regarding IOS 7 effecting the user experience. Did they release something else claiming memory restrictions?
alanwarwic
21-01-2014
Apple also introduced major bugs into OS/X Safari last June with Mavericks.
Sites popular with OS/X went and disabled functionality to cope with Safari being non standard compliant.

That was only a very minor problem as OS/X is not a walled garden. But even now I don't think it was ever fixed. I guess time will tell how Apple wants to shape web functionality.
November_Rain
21-01-2014
I'm getting this problem a lot. It's really annoying.
ihatemarmite
23-01-2014
Opinion (I know nuuuuthihg, just am fed up when Chrome crashes; have given up on Safari) is divided between those who say no fix is possible as the unit has insufficient RAM for its 64 bit processor - although doesn't explain why Chrome is better than Safari - and those who are more optimistic
http://9to5mac.com/2014/01/22/apple-...e+Intelligence

Frustration that the media fanboys aren't running with the story as then something might actually happen. IMHO any fix will be in the form of an upgraded Air 2, at another £500
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