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Lovely sequence of different styles of Tango by the same couple
a History of Tango - Sebastian Arce & Mariana Montes 19 minutes of Tango Multiple Styles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT6pXSLwCpw |
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I agree with Henry. Please don't go. You and Sofakat are two of the posters I most admire and listen to on the forum.
Reading the exchange it seems to me there is more that unites the two of you than divides you. We certainly all benefit from the obvious passion you both feel for dance. We already lost Spin Turn from this forum and it is sad to think of the two of you falling out. ![]() I am here to have interesting informed discussions with people. It's great fun. I am really not interested in bickering. LIfe is too short and I'd rather laugh
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The beauty in AT is that a bloke gets to hold a long series of wonderful women in his arms for 12 minutes at a time without buying any of them a drink, nor having to listen to any of them, nor generating noisy demanding children or even buying them all half a house. Bliss ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() {I'll hide now in anticipation of incoming flak ... ] ![]() ![]() ![]() Works both ways HW! We can dance with a reasonable/fabulous/mediocre leads without ever having to listen to their dreary monolgues (gets worse after 50) , suffer having a drink or supper with them, talking about their ailments, views on politics or engineering, or music choices, or how their wife does not understand them, etc, etc. - dance one tanda (that's 3 dances) and it's done. So long pet. We can walk away from a ghastly tanda and ignore that leader's cabaceo next time if they do not come up to scratch, have a nasty aftershave, grubby clothes, can't hrar music, have BO or bad breath, are crashing bores, try to correct or teach us on the floor (Very Bad Manners), shove us about like fridges or fail to lead correctly. And we do have to put up with a lot. Thing is, we AT 'followers' are hugely supportive of each other. We talk to each other, we advise and we warn each other about the creepy ones. AT women are magnificent, funny and usually brighter than the average. There may be many an AT lead out there who believes he is God's Gift to AT. Ah no, if they only knew what we say about them! We women AT dancers can be very kind and forgiving. We will allow the occasional boo boo - but do not push it or you will find your reputation in tatters and only the real Fridges or the Desperate left to dance with!
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Lovely sequence of different styles of Tango by the same couple
a History of Tango - Sebastian Arce & Mariana Montes 19 minutes of Tango Multiple Styles https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eT6pXSLwCpw
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![]() ![]() ![]() Works both ways HW! We can dance with a reasonable/fabulous/mediocre leads without ever having to listen to their dreary monolgues (gets worse after 50) , suffer having a drink or supper with them, talking about their ailments, views on politics or engineering, or music choices, or how their wife does not understand them, etc, etc. - dance one tanda (that's 3 dances) and it's done. So long pet. We can walk away from a ghastly tanda and ignore that leader's cabaceo next time if they do not come up to scratch, have a nasty aftershave, grubby clothes, can't hrar music, have BO or bad breath, are crashing bores, try to correct or teach us on the floor (Very Bad Manners), shove us about like fridges or fail to lead correctly. And we do have to put up with a lot. Thing is, we AT 'followers' are hugely supportive of each other. We talk to each other, we advise and we warn each other about the creepy ones. AT women are magnificent, funny and usually brighter than the average. There may be many an AT lead out there who believes he is God's Gift to AT. Ah no, if they only knew what we say about them! We women AT dancers can be very kind and forgiving. We will allow the occasional boo boo - but do not push it or you will find your reputation in tatters and only the real Fridges or the Desperate left to dance with! ![]() And I have been told most (perhaps all) of it before almost verbatim. Wasn't you was it? ![]() ![]() "try to correct or teach us on the floor" is indeed annoying. I saw one woman who did that to me at a pre-milonga class sitting during most of the milonga. I imagine she did that to everybody else as well. Number of songs in a tanda seem to vary between three and four occasionally five. I always thought it was three dances fixed; but on asking I was recently told by an Argentine DJ that the "traditional" BA style is "our pieces in the tango tandas, three in the milonga tandas and three or four in the vals tandas" Never enough Milonga or Vals for me - except birthday time. |
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And its coming.
![]() ![]() *Checks stockpile of flak. Decides it isn't big enough. Wanders off in search of more* ![]() She also added "The sooner you learn to dance well, the sooner women will flock to you." She left out the bit about 12 minutes at a time. |
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Wonderfully put.
And I have been told most (perhaps all) of it before almost verbatim. Wasn't you was it? ![]() ![]() "try to correct or teach us on the floor" is indeed annoying. I saw one woman who did that to me at a pre-milonga class sitting during most of the milonga. I imagine she did that to everybody else as well. Number of songs in a tanda seem to vary between three and four occasionally five. I always thought it was three dances fixed; but on asking I was recently told by an Argentine DJ that the "traditional" BA style is "our pieces in the tango tandas, three in the milonga tandas and three or four in the vals tandas" Never enough Milonga or Vals for me - except birthday time. ![]() Women who teach or correct men on the floor are just as bad. It's just not done. If you hate what he is doing cut the tanda short and walk away. My usual response is, 'be quiet and just lead'. I never dance with them again. Usual tandas are 3 or 4. Never known anyone to play 5. And your DJ was right with the order. Oooh! I loathe birthday Vals. It's excruciating! Luckily the last time I endured one my teacher (a highly respected Argentinian tanguero whose style is sublime) led it so those who followed had to be in the same class as him or show themselves up! For me it's Milonga and dancing to Canaro. |
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Nah, it's true which is why you have heard it before
![]() Women who teach or correct men on the floor are just as bad. It's just not done. If you hate what he is doing cut the tanda short and walk away. My usual response is, 'be quiet and just lead'. I never dance with them again. Usual tandas are 3 or 4. Never known anyone to play 5. And your DJ was right with the order. Oooh! I loathe birthday Vals. It's excruciating! Luckily the last time I endured one my teacher (a highly respected Argentinian tanguero whose style is sublime) led it so those who followed had to be in the same class as him or show themselves up! For me it's Milonga and dancing to Canaro. A typical order of tandas is apparently: four tangos - cortina * four tangos - cortina three vals - cortina four tangos - cortina four tangos - cortina three milongas - cortina This could be notated as T4-T4-V3-T4-T4-M3. *cortina = curtain. A brief musical interlude between tandas at a milonga. Sometimes it is swing, blues, salsa, merengue - or heavy metal or something else discordant and jarring. It is meant to rudely interrupt those "Twelve Minutes of Love" and facilitate a switch of partners. Trouble is if it is joyous merengue or salsa I have been known to smile and dance to it generating glares from the serious in-crowd. Tango is meant to generate sadness and smiling is not allowed. They confiscate razor blades at the entry door just in case. But at least it isn't Fado. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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For me it's Milonga and dancing to Canaro. Miguel Angel Zotto & Daiana Gúspero dancing Reliquias Porteñas by Canaro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4G03HpzArc Note the non-scratchy music. I can't stand the sound of "original" 78 rpm cat scratching stuff. Much prefer a live band or a newish recording. |
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Here you are then ...
Miguel Angel Zotto & Daiana Gúspero dancing Reliquias Porteñas by Canaro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4G03HpzArc Note the non-scratchy music. I can't stand the sound of "original" 78 rpm cat scratching stuff. Much prefer a live band or a newish recording. Ah yes, I know that video well. Have watched it many times. Zotti is incredible and her footwork is sublime. Yep, not very keen on scratchy tunes myself - I want to hear every note - but some think them more 'authentic'. I think that is pretentious nonsense ![]() Here is my all time favourite couple - Geraldine and Javier - dancing to my all time favorite melody 'Poema'. She is a my tango idol - one of the greatest. Feet to die for. I aspire to dance like her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL9scCF6F1E |
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Here is my all time favourite couple - Geraldine and Javier - dancing to my all time favorite melody 'Poema'.
She is a my tango idol - one of the greatest. Feet to die for. I aspire to dance like her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL9scCF6F1E totally fallen in love with them Sofakat....they are amazing - thanks for posting *relurks* |
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*delurks*
totally fallen in love with them Sofakat....they are amazing - thanks for posting *relurks*
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Thank you!
Ah yes, I know that video well. Have watched it many times. Zotti is incredible and her footwork is sublime. Yep, not very keen on scratchy tunes myself - I want to hear every note - but some think them more 'authentic'. I think that is pretentious nonsense ![]() Here is my all time favourite couple - Geraldine and Javier - dancing to my all time favorite melody 'Poema'. She is a my tango idol - one of the greatest. Feet to die for. I aspire to dance like her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL9scCF6F1E Mind you I am the trad tango fraternities worst nightmare. I also dance to cortinas. And have been known to beg DJ's to play the whole track if its something like Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole, Louis Armstrong et al. I love dancing to that sort of stuff and much more than the scratchy old numbers. A favourite is My Funny Valentine. I like to dance to weird stuff like Pink Floyd Cyambaline - you can imagine the apoplexy. I think the cabaceo is daft. If I want to dance with a guy I bloody well ask him. I can't be doing with this fluttering of eyelashes across a room shennanegins. And I can find my own way back to my seat thanks, I don't need an escort like a maiden aunt. It absolutely why there is a need to import out dated customs. Oh and I smile often and sometimes laugh too. ![]() However I do respect the line of dance. I would never cross a dance floor and I observe common or garden good manners. I just think things need to move with the times and therefore am something of a rebel. |
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Thank you!
Ah yes, I know that video well. Have watched it many times. Zotti is incredible and her footwork is sublime. Yep, not very keen on scratchy tunes myself - I want to hear every note - but some think them more 'authentic'. I think that is pretentious nonsense ![]() Here is my all time favourite couple - Geraldine and Javier - dancing to my all time favorite melody 'Poema'. She is a my tango idol - one of the greatest. Feet to die for. I aspire to dance like her. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL9scCF6F1E But I think it could have done with a few lifts and faffin baht ... and a whirling dervish on acid cameraman. Here is the karaoke version of Poema with the lyrics. I had a go just now. Hammed up "Adoración" at 1:17 of course. I'll have to request it when I have learnt it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CyyuTii1wA Here is the English translation It was a dream of sweet love, hours of happiness and loving, it was the poem of yesterday, that I dreamed, of gilded colour, vain chimeras of the heart, it will not manage to never decipher, so fleeting nest, it was a dream of love and adoration. When the flowers of your rose garden, bloom again ever so beautiful, you'll remember my love, and you will come to know, all my intense misfortune. Of that one intoxicating poem, nothing is left between us, I say my sad goodbye, you'll feel the emotion, of my pain.. |
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*delurks*
totally fallen in love with them Sofakat....they are amazing - thanks for posting *relurks* |
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Get your hankies ready before watching this version of Poema
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Stands and applauds.
Mind you I am the trad tango fraternities worst nightmare. I also dance to cortinas. And have been known to beg DJ's to play the whole track if its something like Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole, Louis Armstrong et al. I love dancing to that sort of stuff and much more than the scratchy old numbers. A favourite is My Funny Valentine. I like to dance to weird stuff like Pink Floyd Cyambaline - you can imagine the apoplexy. I think the cabaceo is daft. If I want to dance with a guy I bloody well ask him. I can't be doing with this fluttering of eyelashes across a room shennanegins. And I can find my own way back to my seat thanks, I don't need an escort like a maiden aunt. It absolutely why there is a need to import out dated customs. Oh and I smile often and sometimes laugh too. ![]() However I do respect the line of dance. I would never cross a dance floor and I observe common or garden good manners. I just think things need to move with the times and therefore am something of a rebel. I also know of milongas where the music is very eclectic and the old world stuffiness is banned! I am heading for one this weekend. |
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The fabulous de Fazio brother Enrique and Guillermo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWFuyznWgg You don't have to be young and slim to dance tango! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0pzEqYQcrQ Contrary to Len, AT has nothing to do with sweaty gauchos, but everything to do with people who enjoy the music and dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIy-I-XIWSw Finally, just because they are the best ever, Javier & Geraldine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHn1LK43dJ0 |
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The fabulous de Fazio brother Enrique and Guillermo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWFuyznWgg You don't have to be young and slim to dance tango! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0pzEqYQcrQ Contrary to Len, AT has nothing to do with sweaty gauchos, but everything to do with people who enjoy the music and dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIy-I-XIWSw Finally, just because they are the best ever, Javier & Geraldine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHn1LK43dJ0
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The fabulous de Fazio brother Enrique and Guillermo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYWFuyznWgg You don't have to be young and slim to dance tango! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0pzEqYQcrQ Contrary to Len, AT has nothing to do with sweaty gauchos, but everything to do with people who enjoy the music and dance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIy-I-XIWSw Finally, just because they are the best ever, Javier & Geraldine https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHn1LK43dJ0 Thanks. It seems that "Reliquias Porteñas" is your favourite music I haven't been tracking its frequency. I should mentally pre-prepare some sequences for it so as to look decisive. I particularly like to get the start and ending just right - as with any good speech of course.This is a section of the BBC4 documentary about Geraldine (and Javier) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r1mPWczWPk |
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Here is another Poema.
El Puchu El Puchu y Gladys Colombo Tango "Poema" F. Canaro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hyjoz6Zqe1M Understated leading designed to make the woman look good. Just wonderful to watch. I prefer it to the somewhat more exuberant style of Chicho Frúmboli - who of course is recognised as one of the best. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFS-GzLUdwU But I am going off Chicho the more youtubes I see. Great to watch but not my style to emulate. |
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Stands and applauds.
Mind you I am the trad tango fraternities worst nightmare. I also dance to cortinas. And have been known to beg DJ's to play the whole track if its something like Ella Fitzgerald, Nat King Cole, Louis Armstrong et al. I love dancing to that sort of stuff and much more than the scratchy old numbers. A favourite is My Funny Valentine. I like to dance to weird stuff like Pink Floyd Cyambaline - you can imagine the apoplexy. I think the cabaceo is daft. If I want to dance with a guy I bloody well ask him. I can't be doing with this fluttering of eyelashes across a room shennanegins. And I can find my own way back to my seat thanks, I don't need an escort like a maiden aunt. It absolutely why there is a need to import out dated customs. Oh and I smile often and sometimes laugh too. ![]() However I do respect the line of dance. I would never cross a dance floor and I observe common or garden good manners. I just think things need to move with the times and therefore am something of a rebel. |
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Thanks.
It seems that "Reliquias Porteñas" is your favourite music I haven't been tracking its frequency. I should mentally pre-prepare some sequences for it so as to look decisive. I particularly like to get the start and ending just right - as with any good speech of course.This is a section of the BBC4 documentary about Geraldine (and Javier) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r1mPWczWPk I have that on DVD it's good. |
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You, lady bird, need to come to Lindy Hop!
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I said I had a go at Balboa. Good fun. But I'm going to do a Forro at Cortina time. That's shake things up. (including breakfast)
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