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Argentine Tango Talk
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An Thropologist
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“Well the other thread has been renamed - on the back of suggestions by a few of us.

So as to broaden this and prevent it getting too cliquey I think I should go ahead and reference other dances to invite others in.

So maybe

Argentine Tango, Salsa, Swing Talk

That's broad enough. I don't think Merengue, Cumbia and Bachata need to be explicitly mentioned.

I will certainly look into the other thread but I have not danced ballroom other than an hour during University Intro Week so I won't contribute much.

Should I include Sirtaki in the title or does that come under AT?”

Thing is Henry I wouldn't want to shut out ballroom and Latin either. This whole business is silly and makes me really sad. See if you can come up with something that encompasses everybody who is a dance geek irrespective of the style of their geeking.
An Thropologist
29-11-2014
Would "All dance questions" be too pointed do you think?
henrywilliams58
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Thing is Henry I wouldn't want to shut out ballroom and Latin either. This whole business is silly and makes me really sad. See if you can come up with something that encompasses everybody who is a dance geek irrespective of the style of their geeking. ”


Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Would "All dance questions" be too pointed do you think?”

There's a place in the other thread to discuss the Ten Dances. It isn't a people thing but a subject thing.

There is overlap within the 10 Dances and overlap between Salsa etc., AT and Swing.

Not many people dance both Ballroom Tango and Argentine Tango but they might want to learn about each other.

If people want to discuss the perils of BO and Cheap Aftershave in any dance then I am not going to object to a double post here and there. In fact I am not going to object to thread drift whatsoever.

We have already covered Flamenco and Sevillanas. Or was that in the other thread. Why don't you go there and ask for your posts back?

And "All dance questions" just takes over the old name of the other thread. If people are too shy to ask here or there general dance questions then that's tough.
Jennifer_F
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“There's a place in the other thread to discuss the Ten Dances. It isn't a people thing but a subject thing.

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Indeed it is Henry. Its exactly what it says on the tin. A Thread for any Ballroom/Latin questions, only because thats where my expertise is........just the name of a thread. In the same way this is entitlted " Argentinian Tango Talk". This thread is about 1 dance ( I know others contribute with other styles but the name suggests that it is all about AT. I have not complained about that, so I don't understand why some are bothered about my thread which is about 10 of the dances....
zedders
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“She has a point actually. I don't want to mingle with everyone, unless they come in the form of A Throp and Betty and have an open mind and a sensa huma! ”

I'm having a great time lurking and clicking on the links, I particukarly enjoyed the two guys (sorry, should have gone back and checked names) because they had so much joy. Actually, the enjoyment of dancing showed through in most of the links so they were great to watch.

My own dance experience was being taking to Highland dancing lessons whilst my sister was learning to play bagpipes in the same building. Other than learning to dance over swords, I didn't enjoy it, didn't practise, and therefore wasn't any good! So don't worry, I won't be sharing my (non)expertise!!!

Thanks for all the fantastic links so far!
DiamondBetty
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by zedders:
“I'm having a great time lurking and clicking on the links, I particukarly enjoyed the two guys (sorry, should have gone back and checked names) because they had so much joy. Actually, the enjoyment of dancing showed through in most of the links so they were great to watch.

My own dance experience was being taking to Highland dancing lessons whilst my sister was learning to play bagpipes in the same building. Other than learning to dance over swords, I didn't enjoy it, didn't practise, and therefore wasn't any good! So don't worry, I won't be sharing my (non)expertise!!!

Thanks for all the fantastic links so far!”

Yay! Dancing IS joyful! It's a heartbeat, it's babies jigging to a song when they can't even stand up yet, it's Saturday night on a light up floor in a suburban town, Morris Men and village hall ballerinas and the equivalent all over the world.

I'm glad you enjoyed the links! It's fun to share them.


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As to the question of renaming the thread, I'd probably go for 'General DANCE chat (formerly known as AT talk) EVERYONE WELCOME' or some such. That way it acknowledges that a lot of posters are from an AT background, makes it clear that anyone can post and 'chat' is much more accurate/friendly than 'questions'.

Capitals may or may not be a DIgital Spy SCD board in joke
sofakat
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Thing is Henry I wouldn't want to shut out ballroom and Latin either. This whole business is silly and makes me really sad. See if you can come up with something that encompasses everybody who is a dance geek irrespective of the style of their geeking. ”

I think henry should leave the name of the thread as it is and not add to the confusion of people thinking the original thread is gone.

People who love dance are finding it anyway. It's more fun than the others so it will thrive. Leave the ballroom bunch to their own devices. They're the only ones who are not inclusive (and never have been) so if they prefer to stick to just one dance form, let them.

I can dance and teach ballroom but have no real interest in picking it apart. The only thing I care about is how people dance, so I tend to look at their body, balance, expression, musicality and good dance technique - or indetify where they are going wrong if someone asks me.

The only thing I'd hate to have a discusison about is Modern Jive or Ceroc. But I could always take a leave of absence if that comes up!
sofakat
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by zedders:
“I'm having a great time lurking and clicking on the links, I particukarly enjoyed the two guys (sorry, should have gone back and checked names) because they had so much joy. Actually, the enjoyment of dancing showed through in most of the links so they were great to watch.

My own dance experience was being taking to Highland dancing lessons whilst my sister was learning to play bagpipes in the same building. Other than learning to dance over swords, I didn't enjoy it, didn't practise, and therefore wasn't any good! So don't worry, I won't be sharing my (non)expertise!!!

Thanks for all the fantastic links so far!”

Loved this post. Am so happy when people enjoy watching dance. Who cares of you don't do much. The fact that you appreciate it is enough for me, and I bet the others feel the same.
sofakat
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Would "All dance questions" be too pointed do you think?”



Erm. Thing is, it would just be too boring. We want to discuss, compare and enjoy. Who needs a Question and School Marm answer thread?

Oh, hang on ....
sofakat
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by Jennifer_F:
“Indeed it is Henry. Its exactly what it says on the tin. A Thread for any Ballroom/Latin questions, only because thats where my expertise is........just the name of a thread. In the same way this is entitlted " Argentinian Tango Talk". This thread is about 1 dance ( I know others contribute with other styles but the name suggests that it is all about AT. I have not complained about that, so I don't understand why some are bothered about my thread which is about 10 of the dances....”

I am quite puzzled as to why you even post in here? AT is not your thing.
aggs
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by zedders:
“I'm having a great time lurking and clicking on the links, I particukarly enjoyed the two guys (sorry, should have gone back and checked names) because they had so much joy. Actually, the enjoyment of dancing showed through in most of the links so they were great to watch.

My own dance experience was being taking to Highland dancing lessons whilst my sister was learning to play bagpipes in the same building. Other than learning to dance over swords, I didn't enjoy it, didn't practise, and therefore wasn't any good! So don't worry, I won't be sharing my (non)expertise!!!

Thanks for all the fantastic links so far!”

Me too.
The history and progression of the dance styles is completely fascinating.
I have to admit that I do like the freer, more social dances more than the formal ones. The pure ballroom stuff seems a bit like looking at a dog at Crufts, You can appreciate the work that goes into getting it like it but wouldn't want to take one home.

I can remember a while ago reading an article about one of the pro dancers on Dancing with the Stars - Cheryl Burke? She did the AT on the show, fell in love with it and took herself off to learn properly for herself. I just remember thinking that she sounded like a 'proper' dancer
Ellie_
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“They're the only ones who are not inclusive (and never have been) ”

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I am quite puzzled as to why you even post in here? AT is not your thing.”

This thing is getting ridiculous.
An Thropologist
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by zedders:
“I'm having a great time lurking and clicking on the links, I particukarly enjoyed the two guys (sorry, should have gone back and checked names) because they had so much joy. Actually, the enjoyment of dancing showed through in most of the links so they were great to watch.

My own dance experience was being taking to Highland dancing lessons whilst my sister was learning to play bagpipes in the same building. Other than learning to dance over swords, I didn't enjoy it, didn't practise, and therefore wasn't any good! So don't worry, I won't be sharing my (non)expertise!!!

Thanks for all the fantastic links so far!”

Funnily enough I went to my first ever Cehlid a couple of weeks ago (I can't remember how its spelled but it certainly wasn't as I would have spelled it - Kayleigh). It was great fun and fairly chaotic - but that might have been to do with the all the wee drams we were encouraged to take.
primer
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“

Erm. Thing is, it would just be too boring. We want to discuss, compare and enjoy. Who needs a Question and School Marm answer thread?

Oh, hang on ....”

Originally Posted by sofakat:
“I am quite puzzled as to why you even post in here? AT is not your thing.”

Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“This thing is getting ridiculous.”



this thread is starting to resemble an episode of ja'mie private school girl...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pniDfPCab8Q
An Thropologist
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by aggs:
“Me too.
The history and progression of the dance styles is completely fascinating.
I have to admit that I do like the freer, more social dances more than the formal ones. The pure ballroom stuff seems a bit like looking at a dog at Crufts, You can appreciate the work that goes into getting it like it but wouldn't want to take one home.

I can remember a while ago reading an article about one of the pro dancers on Dancing with the Stars - Cheryl Burke? She did the AT on the show, fell in love with it and took herself off to learn properly for herself. I just remember thinking that she sounded like a 'proper' dancer ”

Its a bug though don't you think. If it bites you, you get totally hooked. For me Salsa is more the infecting organism than AT. I went to my first salsa class many years ago and at the end of plodding basic steps badly I had the good fortune of running into an experience lead. He wouldn't take no for an answer and despite my protestations about what I couldn't do, got me up for a free dance. He threw me all over the place or so it felt. But boy did it feel good. At the end I apologised for my stumbling and he just said "No it was fine - you kept up"

Whenever I bump into him I always have a dance - much smoother these days - and I am forever grateful to him. If not for him I would have probably not gone back for class 2. I always make a point of dancing with beginners in the hope I can gift them what that dancer gifted me.
DiamondBetty
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Its a bug though don't you think. If it bites you, you get totally hooked. For me Salsa is more the infecting organism than AT. I went to my first salsa class many years ago and at the end of plodding basic steps badly I had the good fortune of running into an experience lead. He wouldn't take no for an answer and despite my protestations about what I couldn't do, got me up for a free dance. He threw me all over the place or so it felt. But boy did it feel good. At the end I apologised for my stumbling and he just said "No it was fine - you kept up"

Whenever I bump into him I always have a dance - much smoother these days - and I am forever grateful to him. If not for him I would have probably not gone back for class 2. I always make a point of dancing with beginners in the hope I can gift them what that dancer gifted me.”

Oh gosh! Similar story here! I started dancing with a friend so whenever a lead approached and asked me if I wanted to social dance I would say 'Sorry, no. BUT MY FRIEND WILL' and pushed her out in front of me. Then, one night, an Australian chap, on receiving my standard rejection said, 'oh cool. I'll dance with her later then, but I'm actually asking YOU right now'. He was the lead that helped me the most. We're still in touch now, although he moved to Argentina (I must ask him if he Dances AT)!

Nowadays, because I lead and follow, I don't get a chance to ask as many people to dance as I would like, so I generally ask the best girls to follow me (these are often my closest friends) and the newest and least experienced chaps to lead me. By the end of the night, all the great leads that I asked years ago when they were the newbies seek me out., although they sometimes want me to lead them /sulk.

So dancing with newbies is a great investment, for altruistic and selfish reasons
An Thropologist
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“Oh gosh! Similar story here! I started dancing with a friend so whenever a lead approached and asked me if I wanted to social dance I would say 'Sorry, no. BUT MY FRIEND WILL' and pushed her out in front of me. Then, one night, an Australian chap, on receiving my standard rejection said, 'oh cool. I'll dance with her later then, but I'm actually asking YOU right now'. He was the lead that helped me the most. We're still in touch now, although he moved to Argentina (I must ask him if he Dances AT)!

Nowadays, because I lead and follow, I don't get a chance to ask as many people to dance as I would like, so I generally ask the best girls to follow me (these are often my closest friends) and the newest and least experienced chaps to lead me. By the end of the night, all the great leads that I asked years ago when they were the newbies seek me out., although they sometimes want me to lead them /sulk.

So dancing with newbies is a great investment, for altruistic and selfish reasons ”

Well if he moved onto the Pampas the answer is almost certainly no.

I don't lead. I really should learn but I find I keep going back to my default follower steps, which really confuses new followers! However I have to say the women I know who do lead do it exceptionally well.
Ellie_
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“I will certainly look into the other thread but I have not danced ballroom other than an hour during University Intro Week so I won't contribute much.”

Is there a reason why you didn't continue with it? Just not up your street or time constraints?
franglemand
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“Yay! Dancing IS joyful! It's a heartbeat, it's babies jigging to a song when they can't even stand up yet, it's Saturday night on a light up floor in a suburban town, Morris Men and village hall ballerinas and the equivalent all over the world.
”

Yes, that's it! Dance is just what everyone does when there's music on and you find some sort of emotion in moving to it - happiness, laughter, sadness, excitement, fear, love, whatever! I quite liked country dancing at school, though mostly I just remember getting tangled up in the maypole and grabbing someone's hands and spinning as fast as we could doing ball-changes in a circle. We were 10 at most, I'm pretty sure there's more to it than that...

To me dance for me is like language. Lots of people use it everyday and of course it's automatically there for everyone to use and to enjoy. You need the grammar/ technique and you need vocabulary if you want to be able to communicate well and for foreign languages (/ specific dance styles) you're almost certainly going to need to study something at some point, but the ultimate aim really is to absorb all those rules enough that you can stop thinking and just live in it. I've never danced AT and my experience of swing is limited to 3 weeks when a rock and roll course turned into the Lindyhop for reasons that escaped me (it was the first semester I lived in France and they were free lessons at the university sport centre - it took me 2 weeks to twig that the we were learning Lindyhop and not "landiop," as I'd previously thought ). I've danced ballroom though with partners who made me feel like waltzing was the most natural thing in the world. There were ballet routines that felt like stories, even when they were really only exercises. I've danced salsa where I've forgotten to think what the steps are but I'm doing them anyway; the steps are just the things that happen when the music's on and I'm doing it right.

Aggs, I completely agree with you as well. I had the same thought about Natalie a few years ago when she danced either rock and roll or lindyhop with Ricky, got to the end of the routine and was like "Wow! That was amazing! Maybe I should have learnt this before!" I think dancers in general continue learning until they stop dancing. That's part of the fun. I respected Darcy as well, first for doing that musical theatre challenge where she learnt a load of classic Broadway dancers for a BBC show and then for learning a bit of ballroom and Latin pre-Strictly. It's that same sense that ok, she reached the end of her ballet career but that just meant she could try out other styles she was interested in.

I'm fascinated by dance history, the way that all of the dances have developed over time and still continue to develop today. On the topic of AT, I get the impression that there are specific types/ schools of AT and what we see on SCD is based on one particular type. Is that like the difference between Cuban Salsa and LA style salsa, is it more like RAD versus Cecchetti method ballet, is it more like the different styles of dance that fall under the swing umbrella or is it something else again? I suppose what I'm asking is, are there deliberately different forms of AT that people learn, or is it just different ways of learning/ different ways of choreographing the same style, or is AT itself changing at the moment into different styles?

(Suggestion: we seem now to have two threads anyway. The other thread is mostly for technical questions and answers to do with ballroom and Latin, where people can go to exchange specific information and find answers to questions. This one seems to be more general dance chat, springing from AT but going into other avenues as and when people want to go there. I can't say I care all that much about titles except to say that changing it completely away from AT might confused people (a.k.a. I'm clearly going to come back on the board and wonder what on earth this new thread is that I've apparently already posted on ).)
henrywilliams58
29-11-2014
OK just to be clear on all this so far

Are we the Dance Peoples Forum (DPF) and the other lot are the Popular Forum for Dance (PFD)? Or is the other way round? Bloody Splitters. Hate them.

As for the Scottish Dancing Folk (SDF) I ask you. I have had enough of all this talk about Darcey and Guns. Do we really want to start talking about Swords? No you can't come in. Just leave the Haggis and Neeps start your own thread.

Sotto voce: Hey I have some Oloroso Sherry that is really great with Haggis. We'll let her come back if she brings more Haggis.

http://youtu.be/NrDVsprWRCQ?t=3m27s
henrywilliams58
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“Is there a reason why you didn't continue with it? Just not up your street or time constraints?”

It was one of the events at the university intro week. I only went to the ballroom dancing trial because I heard that there were a lot of women there and they'd all assume I was gay and would see it as their mission to try and "turn" me. I "pulled" at a disco so I didn't bother with ballroom dancing after that one hour trial. Job done.
Ellie_
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“It was one of the events at the university intro week. I only went to the ballroom dancing trial because I heard that there were a lot of women there and they'd all assume I was gay and would see it as their mission to try and "turn" me. I "pulled" at a disco so I didn't bother with ballroom dancing after that one hour trial. Job done.”

...Right.
An Thropologist
29-11-2014
As an aside I noted Darcy has said once or twice that she can no longer dance because her body isn't up to it.

I am aware that ballet at her level and with that length of career does take its toll on the body. I didn't think she had retired due to injury as such. So I was surprised that she seemed to be saying she could no longer dance at all.

Does anyone know what she meant? Did she just mean she couldn't dance any more at the high level she is expected to achieve and probably expects of herself. Or did she mean she can no long have a social dance in any circumstances. If the latter my heart goes out to her.
aggs
29-11-2014
I remember from the BBC show, she had just had surgery to her knees and had to be careful what she did. Wasn't it something about the tendons being worn through and having had grafts or did I make that up?
henrywilliams58
29-11-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“As an aside I noted Darcy has said once or twice that she can no longer dance because her body isn't up to it.

I am aware that ballet at her level and with that length of career does take its toll on the body. I didn't think she had retired due to injury as such. So I was surprised that she seemed to be saying she could no longer dance at all.

Does anyone know what she meant? Did she just mean she couldn't dance any more at the high level she is expected to achieve and probably expects of herself. Or did she mean she can no long have a social dance in any circumstances. If the latter my heart goes out to her.”

She comes on to the floor quite elegantly and managed to smartly step over a sliding tackle from Bruno at Len's Lens time.

Surprising.
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