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sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“They are Cubans (although living here now and the VT was in the UK) and that is where I met them. The guy with the curly hair spent hours of patient encouragement teaching me on the top floor of the Hotel Sevillia in Havana.

Dancing in the street is wonderful. I don't know why but it feels so liberating.”

Yep, knew they were Cuban as soon as I saw them So glad you had someone like that to teach you. We also had a national dance company teach us - severe and relentless drilling daily! Ballet Folklorico Cutumba. I was based in Santiago on the other end of the island though.

This is the man who taught me - he was/is fabulous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThC7yVfsUDw
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by Ellie_:
“You just wait for Mark and Sunetra to be in the bottom two and the judges inexplicably save Mark.

Thaaaat's striiictly! **jazz hands**”

Thumbs up! And out and fingers spread and waggling.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Yep, knew they were Cuban as soon as I saw them So glad you had someone like that to teach you. We also had a national dance company teach us - severe and relentless drilling daily! Ballet Folklorico Cutumba. I was based in Santiago on the other end of the island though.

This is the man who taught me - he was/is fabulous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThC7yVfsUDw”

I spent some time in Santiago too. There was a lovely little place we went to where dancing was in a sort of courtyard affair, open to the skies. The building was colonial style (probably because it was colonial built!) and had sort of minstrel gallery balconies around it - very Romeo and Juliet.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“Tee hee!

Ever heard of Kele Baker? Because a little Facebook research suggests she did Jake's AT choreo...”

I am afraid not Diamond. But t be honest it doesn't mean much that I don't. I would be hard pushed to name any choreographers. Although I did note on Saturdays Pointless Celebs that only 3% of the population knew who Bob Fosse was. So maybe I know more than most.
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I spent some time in Santiago too. There was a lovely little place we went to where dancing was in a sort of courtyard affair, open to the skies. The building was colonial style (probably because it was colonial built!) and had sort of minstrel gallery balconies around it - very Romeo and Juliet.”

Glad you made it there. I loved it too. It has such a deeply entrenched music scene and everyone worth hearing played there. I think I know that courtyard. They have live music. We used to go out on the town with all the dancers every night so they took us to all the interesting non-tourist places in return for which we paid for the food and the rum! On New Years Eve we went to the famous Tropicana out in the countryside. The Tropicana dancers and ours all knew each other so our lot ended up on stage. It was a wild and wonderful party. We got there and back in a convoy of old 40s and 50s cars. One of those nights you never forget.

It was so great to go out with brilliant dancers and not have to suffer dancing with stray tourists!
DiamondBetty
01-12-2014
It appears Kele is responsible for all SCD AT! http://www.kelebaker.com/choreograph...ery/index.html
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“Tee hee!

Ever heard of Kele Baker? Because a little Facebook research suggests she did Jake's AT choreo...”

Yes, I have. I won't elaborate.
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“It appears Kele is responsible for all SCD AT! http://www.kelebaker.com/choreograph...ery/index.html”

Not true at all. Most prolific maybe.
DiamondBetty
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Not true at all. Most prolific maybe.”

Interesting! Can you suggest a routine that wasn't Kele's? Purely for intellectual comparison.

I can spot the difference between a Jenny Thomas and a Bill Deamer SCD Charleston a mile off, wondering if I can learn the same for a dance I don't know well!
DiamondBetty
01-12-2014
PS, Saturday's Salsa free Salsa was choreo'd by a champion Line Dancer, assisted by a Swing Dancer. A-hem.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Glad you made it there. I loved it too. It has such a deeply entrenched music scene and everyone worth hearing played there. I think I know that courtyard. They have live music. We used to go out on the town with all the dancers every night so they took us to all the interesting non-tourist places in return for which we paid for the food and the rum! On New Years Eve we went to the famous Tropicana out in the countryside. The Tropicana dancers and ours all knew each other so our lot ended up on stage. It was a wild and wonderful party. We got there and back in a convoy of old 40s and 50s cars. One of those nights you never forget.

It was so great to go out with brilliant dancers and not have to suffer dancing with stray tourists!”

Oh God you and I could trade some stories. But I fear we would bore everyone.

I too had a New Years Eve to remember but in Havana - dancing in the street to records with believe it or not members of Van Van. Long story but to do with the wheels within wheels culture of Cuba back then 10 years ago. (maybe now too)

Is Tropicana a domed place with the ceiling decked out in blue with tiny lights like stars and an entrance through a sort of covered walk way? I went to a club that fits that description but my memory is placing it near Havana. My memory could very well be wrong.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“PS, Saturday's Salsa free Salsa was choreo'd by a champion Line Dancer, assisted by a Swing Dancer. A-hem.”


LOL Have a word will you Betty? . Ask them to stay on topic, on genre and on patch.
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“Interesting! Can you suggest a routine that wasn't Kele's? Purely for intellectual comparison.

I can spot the difference between a Jenny Thomas and a Bill Deamer SCD Charleston a mile off, wondering if I can learn the same for a dance I don't know well!”

Not so easy in AT but often the SCD pairs ability to pick it up has much to do with the expertise of their AT experts.

Simon and Kristina's AT was choreographed by Myriam Mina Ojeda-Patino. She knows AT No sign of Kele.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Yes, I have. I won't elaborate.”

I think you just did. Your eloquence was deafening over here.
DiamondBetty
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Not so easy in AT but often the SCD pairs ability to pick it up has much to do with the expertise of their AT experts.

Simon and Kristina's AT was choreographed by Myriam Mina Ojeda-Patino. She knows AT No sign of Kele.”

Again, interesting. That routine had good feedback from the forum posters I most admire

Of course, even the best choreographer is limited by what the dancers can manage, across all genres (but heightened when lead/follow is a big part of the dance? That's why I don't want SCD going back to Lindy, anyway!)
DiamondBetty
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“LOL Have a word will you Betty? . Ask them to stay on topic, on genre and on patch. ”

Alas, the jobbing dancer is unlikely to say no to cash but for pities sake producers, employ people with knowledge and experience!
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Oh God you and I could trade some stories. But I fear we would bore everyone.

I too had a New Years Eve to remember but in Havana - dancing in the street to records with believe it or not members of Van Van. Long story but to do with the wheels within wheels culture of Cuba back then 10 years ago. (maybe now too)

Is Tropicana a domed place with the ceiling decked out in blue with tiny lights like stars and an entrance through a sort of covered walk way? I went to a club that fits that description but my memory is placing it near Havana. My memory could very well be wrong.”

Los Van Van - oh wow! Jealous!

No, the Tropicana goes way back to the glory days of Cuba - it is mostly outdoors and has a very long history going right back to 1939! Here is a snippet from Wiki and a link to the rest. It is amazing club set in a tropical garden on the grounds of an old estate.

The spectacular showplace that became The Tropicana evolved out of a Depression-era bohemian nightclub called Edén Concert, operated by Cuban impresario Victor de Correa. One day, two casino operators approached de Correa about opening a combination casino and cabaret on property on the outskirts of Havana rented from Guillermina Pérez Chaumont, known as Mina. The operators felt that the tropical gardens of her Villa Mina, would provide a lush natural setting for an outdoor cabaret. They cut a deal, and in December 1939, de Correa moved his company of singers, dancers and musicians into a converted mansion located on the estate. De Correa provided the food and entertainment, while Rafael Mascaro and Luis Bular operated the casino located in the chandeliered dining room of the estate's mansion. Originally known as El Beau Site, de Correa decided to rename the club Tropicana, because of its tropical atmosphere and "na" after the last syllable of the original owner, Mina. With a fanfare from the Alfredo Brito Orchestra, the Club Tropicana, opened on December 30, 1939. Its popularity with tourists grew steadily until the outbreak of World War II, which sharply curtailed tourism to Cuba.[3]


Wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropicana_Club
henrywilliams58
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“They are Cubans (although living here now and the VT was in the UK) and that is where I met them. The guy with the curly hair spent hours of patient encouragement teaching me on the top floor of the Hotel Sevillia in Havana.

I had taken lessons here before I went there and had got the bug, but the Cubans (most graduates of the Cuban Ballet School - next door to the Sevillia) didn't think much of my salsa. They watched my feet, tut tutted and shook their heads. It was very much a 'no'.

So Osbanis made me his project and drilled me for about a day and a half. When the penny finally dropped it was like a scene from My Fair Lady. "By God I think she has finally got it" In Spanish.

Dancing in the street is wonderful. I don't know why but it feels so liberating.”

So which one in the video is you?

Some of the comments say the dancing in the video is "Casino". Do they mean "Rueda de Casino" which is a rotating group dance or is there something else called "Casino"?

EDIT

found it on Wiki

Cuban-style salsa, also known as Casino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsa_d...Cuban_style%29

Rueda de Casino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rueda_de_Casino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS58jwxQPFg

I don't like doing Rueda as I avoid getting involved in group dances or others' choreography. I prefer to express music my own way on an impromptu basis.
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“So which one in the video is you?

Some of the comments say the dancing in the video is "Casino". Do they mean "Rueda de Casino" which is a rotating group dance or is there something else called "Casino"?

EDIT

found it on Wiki

Cuban-style salsa, also known as Casino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salsa_d...Cuban_style%29

Rueda de Casino

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rueda_de_Casino

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS58jwxQPFg

I don't like doing Rueda as I avoid getting involved in group dances or others' choreography. I prefer to express music my own way on an impromptu basis.”

Love Rueda, but you need to know what you're doing to dance it. It takes some skill and speed to keep up. Any laggards in the circle will just mess it up!

Funnily enough your video of it actually being danced is shot in Santiago where I learnt salsa and son. I even know that street.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Los Van Van - oh wow! Jealous!

No, the Tropicana goes way back to the glory days of Cuba - it is mostly outdoors and has a very long history going right back to 1939! Here is a snippet from Wiki and a link to the rest. It is amazing club set in a tropical garden on the grounds of an old estate.

The spectacular showplace that became The Tropicana evolved out of a Depression-era bohemian nightclub called Edén Concert, operated by Cuban impresario Victor de Correa. One day, two casino operators approached de Correa about opening a combination casino and cabaret on property on the outskirts of Havana rented from Guillermina Pérez Chaumont, known as Mina. The operators felt that the tropical gardens of her Villa Mina, would provide a lush natural setting for an outdoor cabaret. They cut a deal, and in December 1939, de Correa moved his company of singers, dancers and musicians into a converted mansion located on the estate. De Correa provided the food and entertainment, while Rafael Mascaro and Luis Bular operated the casino located in the chandeliered dining room of the estate's mansion. Originally known as El Beau Site, de Correa decided to rename the club Tropicana, because of its tropical atmosphere and "na" after the last syllable of the original owner, Mina. With a fanfare from the Alfredo Brito Orchestra, the Club Tropicana, opened on December 30, 1939. Its popularity with tourists grew steadily until the outbreak of World War II, which sharply curtailed tourism to Cuba.[3]


Wiki link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropicana_Club”

Yes yes that is the place. I don't know where I remember the starry ceiling from - maybe an entrance area or a bar. Or maybe I am morphing two venues together. I wonder if you ever went to matinee dances at Casa de la Musica (the old one in the suburbs) or danced in the small hours at Café Cantante.

(apologies everyone please just step over us!)
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“Alas, the jobbing dancer is unlikely to say no to cash but for pities sake producers, employ people with knowledge and experience!”

Does Swing have a spiritual home Betty? Like AT - Buenos Aries and Salsa - Cuba I am guessing Charleston is from hum Charleston?
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“PS, Saturday's Salsa free Salsa was choreo'd by a champion Line Dancer, assisted by a Swing Dancer. A-hem.”

*falls off sofa laughing*
henrywilliams58
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“It appears Kele is responsible for all SCD AT! http://www.kelebaker.com/choreograph...ery/index.html”


Seems to be quite a generalist. I don't recognise her and haven't noticed her at London milongas.

http://www.kelebaker.com/files/stacks_image_56.jpg

Quote:
“Looking to learn a new skill? Get ready for your wedding dance? Gain social confidence? Then have a go at ballroom, Latin American and Argentine Tango dancing (rhinestones optional).”

The rhinestones joke may explain a lot.

Quote:
“Since 2006, Kele has had the privilege of choreographing and coaching the Argentine tangos for BBC’s hit series Strictly Come Dancing. Kele and co-choreographers Ralf Schiller, Los Ocampo and Andrew Cuerden have worked with Strictly champions Mark Ramprakash, Harry Judd, Kara Tointon, Alesha Dixon and Tom Chambers, as well as Rugby World Cup winner Matt Dawson and Ashes-winning England cricket captain Michael Vaughan; actors/singers Jason Donovan, Natalie Gumede, Sophie Ellis-Bextor, Nicky Byrne, Holly Valance, Anita Dobson, Emma Bunton, Scott Maslen, Ricky Whittle, Patsy Kensit, Ali Bastian, Tina O'Brien, Matt di Angelo and Rachel Stevens; and tv/radio presenters Matt Baker, Susanna Reid, Gethin Jones and Lisa Snowdon.”

sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Yes yes that is the place. I don't know where I remember the starry ceiling from - maybe an entrance area or a bar. Or maybe I am morphing two venues together. I wonder if you ever went to matinee dances at Casa de la Msica ( the old one in the suberbs) or Danced in the small hours at Café Cantante.

(apologies everyone please just step over us!)”

Hang on, yes! If you don't go through the mansion but take a left around the side to get the main area you DO go through a little walkway

Yes, I went to Case de la Musica - and every tiny club and trova we could get to. I was there for 15 days so we had time to explore. It was truly wonderful.
DiamondBetty
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Does Swing have a spiritual home Betty? Like AT - Buenos Aries and Salsa - Cuba I am guessing Charleston is from hum Charleston?”

The Savoy Ballroom, Harlem

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqsc0dhoED0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnsWcxdhEQ
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