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Argentine Tango Talk
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henrywilliams58
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Oh God you and I could trade some stories. But I fear we would bore everyone.

I too had a New Years Eve to remember but in Havana - dancing in the street to records with believe it or not members of Van Van. Long story but to do with the wheels within wheels culture of Cuba back then 10 years ago. (maybe now too)

Is Tropicana a domed place with the ceiling decked out in blue with tiny lights like stars and an entrance through a sort of covered walk way? I went to a club that fits that description but my memory is placing it near Havana. My memory could very well be wrong.”

Just opened my Los Van Van "Songo" CD and in there is a ticket stub for

Los Van Van Sunday 16 April 1989 at 7:30 The Empire Ballroom, Leicester Square £7.50.

I remember it well. Great fun.

This is from 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g06t-6eZZdU
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“The Savoy Ballroom, Harlem

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqsc0dhoED0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnsWcxdhEQ”

Oh of course - The penny dropped with mention of the Cotton Club I should have worked that out. God I am slow today.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“Just opened my Los Van Van "Songo" CD and in there is a ticket stub for

Los Van Van Sunday 16 April 1989 at 7:30 The Empire Ballroom, Leicester Square £7.50.

I remember it well. Great fun.

This is from 1989

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g06t-6eZZdU”

That's the way to my heart Henry. Thanks that perked up my lunch
henrywilliams58
01-12-2014
Well I went to Cuba about 15 years ago with a 20 strong posse of Spanish in-laws none of whom had ever listened to Salsa etc. never mind danced it.

But I did get a couple of dances in with a guide (generating appropriate scandal amongst said in-laws). Once on a terrace overlooking a valley in Western Cuba. Can't remember but perhaps Parque Nacional Viñales.
TerryM22
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“Well I went to Cuba about 15 years ago with a posse of Spanish in-laws none of whom had ever listened to Salsa etc. never mind danced it.

But I did get a couple of dances in with a guide (generating appropriate scandal amongst said in-laws). Once on a terrace overlooking a valley in Western Cuba. Can't remember but perhaps Parque Nacional Viñales.”

Thank you henry that was a lovely story, I hope I come across more.
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“Hang on, yes! If you don't go through the mansion but take a left around the side to get the main area you DO go through a little walkway

Yes, I went to Case de la Musica - and every tiny club and trova we could get to. I was there for 15 days so we had time to explore. It was truly wonderful.”

That's the stuff and the divier they were the better they were or so it seemed,
henrywilliams58
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by TerryM22:
“Thank you henry that was a lovely story, I hope I come across more.”

Keep looking in Terry
sofakat
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by DiamondBetty:
“The Savoy Ballroom, Harlem

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Mqsc0dhoED0

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UmnsWcxdhEQ”

Absolutely wonderful DB! What an amazing place. Love the films about it. Have watched 3 of them now and I am supposed to be doing something serious!
henrywilliams58
01-12-2014
One of the songs on the Los Van Van CD is "La Titimania".

Not exactly PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dX_S8ckODM
An Thropologist
01-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“One of the songs on the Los Van Van CD is "La Titimania".

Not exactly PC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dX_S8ckODM”

Indeed not and no surprise to me. But to be fair Cuba is a different culture and in a different time. Even today it is still in the past - like an historic time capsule.

Fascinating country and I loved it, but there were glimpses that I also found deeply unsettling. It was an enigmatic place that made me think about things I had taken for granted. My trips to Cuba caused me to reassess and question my values quite profoundly.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
I mentioned that I danced Argentine Tango yesterday to a friend and she made aggressive frowny face kicking gestures at me.

I blame Strictly for the misinformation.
sofakat
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I

Fascinating country and I loved it, but there were glimpses that I also found deeply unsettling. It was an enigmatic place that made me think about things I had taken for granted. My trips to Cuba caused me to reassess and question my values quite profoundly.”

Yes, me too. Many aspects of the place made me extremely sad, sometimes angry (on behalf of the people) and ultimately grateful for my freedom to chose. One day you and I will get together and swap views
thengp12
03-12-2014
I was thinking the other day of how they could have made an international AT after the Greece debacle. I came to the conclusion that France or Finland would have been better countries as French music has Accordions that produce a sound like a bandoneon and isn't there something called a Finnish Tango
An Thropologist
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by thengp12:
“I was thinking the other day of how they could have made an international AT after the Greece debacle. I came to the conclusion that France or Finland would have been better countries as French music has Accordions that produce a sound like a bandoneon and isn't there something called a Finnish Tango”

I believe, but I am not certain, that a lot of the music 'we' habitually dance AT to is from French artists. Henry will no doubt confirm (or not).

I think Goton Project who in some respects have revitalised the musical genre in the modern day are French and Spanish ???? Even non AT dancers will be familiar with their music, as it is used for other things including advertising everything from diamonds to dishwasher tablets.
An Thropologist
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“I mentioned that I danced Argentine Tango yesterday to a friend and she made aggressive frowny face kicking gestures at me.

I blame Strictly for the misinformation.”

Perhaps you were a little off key Henry.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by thengp12:
“I was thinking the other day of how they could have made an international AT after the Greece debacle. I came to the conclusion that France or Finland would have been better countries as French music has Accordions that produce a sound like a bandoneon and isn't there something called a Finnish Tango”

They confiscate the razor blades as you enter a Finnish Tango hall.

Apparently there is a big difference between accordions and bandoneons as used in tango and few play both

http://www.albertcombrink.com/2010/0...the-accordion/

I have copied here because the above link has white script on a dark background so illegible to me.

Quote:
“ The difference in the sound of the Accordion and the Bandoneon is very difficult to distinguish if the Accordion player tries to match the sound of the Bandoneon. However the opposite is impossible.

The Bandoneon has two main categories of sound: Right hand notes are bright and powerful and the left hand notes are mellow and softer. The left hand therefore provides accompaniment to the melodies of the right hand. The Bandoneon also does not play chords with one button like the Accordion. Ech note that makes up a chord, must be pressed down individually. This allows much more freedom in the voicing of chords, but also makes the Bandoneon a terribly complicated instrument to learn to play. The left hand buttons are arranged according to the Circle of Fifths – the most basic mathematical principal in musical harmony.

Topless Accordion

The Accordion on the other hand, has a piano-style keyboard, played by one hand, and pre-set chord buttons on the other.The Bandoneon represents one of the early stages of the evolution of the Accordion, and therefore it is technically less complex and costly to build. And it is true that the level of complexity of the musical material that the Accordion handles, can be higher – given the keyboard layout. This makes some of the more virtuosic – pianistic, if you like – passages, a bit simpler on the Accordion.

The Accordeon therefore can play double notes as melodies, while providing ready made chordal accompaniments. In an Argentinian Orquestra Tipica, there is usually more than one Bandoneon playing, precisely to make the harmonies, and play passages in more than one voice. The virtuosity is visible and audible as these “worms” chase each other around the fast passages. The thrill is tremendous.

Ironically, the older design of the Bandoneon makes it a louder instrument than the Accordion – even if it is smaller in size. The reeds of the Bandoneon are made from a heavier mixture of metals. The inside of the Bandoneon also has more metal, creating a reflective soundbox to amplify the vibrations. Also, despite the size, the Bandoneon physically has more space inside the bellows, which allows the sound more “space” to travel. I refer you to this excellent page by Stanislav’s Bandoneon guru Prof. Ricardo Fiorio, giving a more technical description on the capabilities of the Bandoneon as well as MP3 audio files:”

henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Perhaps you were a little off key Henry. ”

Perhaps. A very early Christmas party with carols.
An Thropologist
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“Perhaps. A very early Christmas party with carols.”

LOL Were you singing carols in her ear? Did you check her name first? If she is called Carol she probably though you were taking the piss.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I believe, but I am not certain, that a lot of the music 'we' habitually dance AT to is from French artists. Henry will no doubt confirm.

I think Goton Project who in some respects have revitalised the musical genre in the modern day are French and Spanish ???? Even no AT dancers will be familiar with their music as it is used for other things including advertising everything from diamonds to dishwasher tablets.”

Yes Gotan are Paris based but Argentine / French / Swiss members.

I listen to the Spanish stuff so I can show off in situ with my seemingly "cool" worldly impromptu translations - and occasional singalongs though stopped that having been told off by you lot .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mTEh5awKGQ

Quote:
“One of the most famous supposed "Tango" pieces was written by Danish cine hall composer Jacob Gade - Tango Jalousie (1925) . Tango Tsigane is the composition's proper name.

It was written for the film about Zorro's son, Don Q, with Douglas Fairbanks and Mary Astor and played for the first time at the film's premiere in Copenhagen September 14, 1925.”

My favourite band are Sexteto Milonguero. This isn't really tango music but I love dancing milonga style to it. They play it as an encore. Great fun. I love it.

http://youtu.be/Xyc-i6c8F3I?t=1h3m25s

It isn't "La mulateada" as per the youtube title but "Como le Digo"

Can also merengue to it but I get told off when I merengue to it at Milongas.

EDIT

I do not translate Como le Digo or even dare to sing it. Could get me into a lot of trouble and strife.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“LOL Were you singing carols in her ear? Did you check her name first? If she is called Carol she probably though you were taking the piss. ”

No. I have stopped singing in ears having been told off by you lot. See above post.
An Thropologist
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by henrywilliams58:
“No. I have stopped singing in ears having been told off by you lot. See above post. ”

Wise decision I think Henry.

Since we have told you off its time for a compliment. Your knowledge of music (Salsa, At etc) is extraordinary. Have you thought of turning your hand to DJing? I know there is more to it that just knowing the material but I would have though that was the prerequisite for starters.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Wise decision I think Henry.

Since we have told you off its time for a compliment. Your knowledge of music (Salsa, At etc) is extraordinary. Have you thought of turning your hand to DJing? I know there is more to it that just knowing the material but I would have though that was the prerequisite for starters.”

Too kind [I'm older than you. That's why.]

Creating a two hour Milonga set on a CD has occurred to me - complete with cortinas.

That was I could dance to my own DJing and know the songs coming up and sing them into ears - oops not allowed to do that any more

Actually I'm feeling pleased with myself this week. During Monday's class two women told me after the dances that they loved dancing with me. I don't think they know each other and I did't know them beforehand - flattering unless they say that to all the blokes of course.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
The original Como le Digo is really an Argentinian Merengue by Rodrgio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kn9sRHJmEkg

Here is the chorus line

Como le digo a mi mujer
Que ya no la quiero mas
Que otra ocupa su lugar
Que sin ti vivir no puedo
Como le digo
Que ya no la quiero mas
Que sin ti vivir no puedo.

My liberal translation to fit the music

How'll I tell her - yes my wife
That I love her no more
Another is in her place
That without you I cannot live
How'll I tell her
That I love her no more
That without you I cannot live

They should use it as The Strictly Theme (c.f. Strictly Romances thread)

Es tan duro para mi
A mi casa volver
Después de estar contigo
Conociendo mi destino
Que me espera mi mujer.
Es tan duro para mi
Tenerle que decir
Que es a ti a quien yo amo
Que es a ti
A quien extraño
Y contigo he de partir.
Como le digo a mi mujer
Que ya no la quiero mas
Que otra ocupa su lugar
Que sin ti vivir no puedo
Como le digo
Que ya no la quiero mas
Que sin ti vivir no puedo.
Es tan duro para mi
A mi casa volver
Después de estar contigo
Conociendo mi destino
Que me espera mi mujer
Es tan duro para mi
Pero debo ponerle fin
A este amor
Que ha fracasado
Porque estoy enamorado
Y contigo he de morir.
Como le digo a mi mujer
Que ya no la quiero mas
Que otra ocupa su lugar
Que vivir sin ti no puedo
Como le digo
Que ya no la quiero mas
Que sin ti vivir no puedo
sofakat
03-12-2014
That, of course, is the problem. When translated they are about as deep as a puddle on a pavment and just as shallow. Like a cheap suit on a gigolo.

I'd rather not know and focus instead on the melody.
henrywilliams58
03-12-2014
Originally Posted by sofakat:
“That, of course, is the problem. When translated they are about as deep as a puddle on a pavment and just as shallow. Like a cheap suit on a gigolo.

I'd rather not know and focus instead on the melody.”

Most songs have pretty rubbish lyrics.
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