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Old 15-12-2013, 11:12
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I really have found this series unwatchable and last night was the first final I've never watched. I'm not sure if it's me (I've turned into my dad recently!) or if the show has simply run its course. The ratings perhaps indicate that the glory days have long gone. I did think the 10th series would be a natural conclusion so I'm really surprised there's plans for another 3 series. Has the show really got another 3 series in it?
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Old 15-12-2013, 11:16
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Well, the show was renewed earlier on this year when the ratings were quite good, and then it decreased again. But I really do believe Simon is coming back next year.
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Old 15-12-2013, 11:27
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Well, the show was renewed earlier on this year when the ratings were quite good, and then it decreased again. But I really do believe Simon is coming back next year.
I suspect cowbell will be back as ratings remain poor in the US but I don't buy the saviour of the show. Sharon was touted as the comeback kid but ratings have dropped again and I do wonder if the show has simply run its course? I'm not convinced the simon coming back will result in an extra 2 millions viewers in the long term. People can talk about ratings all their like but the show quite happily dined out on viewing figures when the sun was shining now they blame the drop on demand tv sky+ etc
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Old 15-12-2013, 11:38
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Unless Simon is back next year I will be done with the UK show but I will continue to watch the international X Factors.
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Old 15-12-2013, 11:45
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I think this show has got years left if only they would get serious with it.

If the show continues to be little more than competition between the judges. Or a search for the person who can make the most money regardless of talent. Or a show that seriously thinks people like Rylan, Jedward and Wagner (but to name a few) are worthy finalists. Or a show that asks people to spend money voting only for the final decision to be taken away from them. Or a show that can make a 2 hour programme to showcase approximately 12 minutes of singing. Or, well, should I go on ?

The problem in my eyes, is that inevitable changes will only serve to make the show more controversial when I firmly believe they should be going the other way and getting back to basics.

Oh, and I also firmly believe that Cowell will ultimately be the cause of the downfall of this show. Long may he stay away.
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Old 15-12-2013, 21:30
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I've not watched properly for the last few weeks. Like most shows they will flog this to death. I expect viewing figures to slide year on year.
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Old 15-12-2013, 21:42
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I don't know. I think it's just had a bad series, in all honesty.

I remember in past years there was so much buzz about everybody about who would win the X-Factor and it was such a big deal for whoever won, but I think it had something to do with many past winners not being that successful (Matt Cardle, Leon Jackson, Shane Ward, Joe McElderry) that its not a big thing to win. There hasn't been many successful winners of the X-Factor (Leona Lewis, Alexandra Burke have had limited success if you really think about it) but I think James Arthur and Little Mix have done okay for themselves since leaving. I hope Sam Bailey does well, but I really don't see her being given that much publicity afterwards.

I can see Luke, Nicholas and Tamera all possibly getting recording contracts and doing better than Sam, although she's lovely and I hope she is very successful. If they really want a successful show, they need to strip it back to basics with no silly and 'controversial' twists in store. It needs to be the same format that it was years ago in the Leona or Alexandra years. Apart from having a good winner and runner-up, this year has been really dire and I haven't really watched. They've had some good talent but really bland characters.
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:26
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I just watched last night on catch up. For me it was one of the worst finals since Leon Jackson won. I think they need to give the sea time to replenish
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:38
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Gave up watching a while back, I think it's time for xfactor to call it a day now
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:40
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Is there anyone not watching now that would go back to it if Cowell returned? Can't say he makes all that much difference to me so is it a hype about nothing or am I in minority?
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Old 16-12-2013, 10:46
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With the US show getting axed (not confirmed, but have you seen the ratings?) it seems likely Simon is coming back, so I think we're all hoping he can fix it.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:13
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Is there anyone not watching now that would go back to it if Cowell returned? Can't say he makes all that much difference to me so is it a hype about nothing or am I in minority?
I just popped into the forums to see what the general consensus seemed to be on this year, as I hadn't bothered watching. I'd lost interest and haven't missed it. For me at least, I can say that Cowell returning would put me off more than likely bring me back.

First, it would show a distinct lack of understanding on where the show has gone wrong. It would just continue to portray the image that the show is all about the judges and not about the contestants. I'd wager that if Cowell comes back, that would be the only change to the show, as they'd think that "HE'S BACK!!!" would be all they need to sell the next series.

Second, I think Cowell has long past his best. In his glory days, he was Mr. Nasty that we all secretly agreed with. He was mean and blunt, but he said it exactly as it was and wasn't afraid to tell a dreadful singer that they were dreadful. But for years he had descended into a bad parody of himself. He became inconsistent with his criticisms and would make some pretty ludicrous decisions that "old Cowell" never would have.

The general failure of X Factor USA should be enough evidence that Cowell doesn't have the pulling power that he used to. He ruined his own brand by trying to hard to manufacture controversy for the sake of headlines. Any small amount of integrity he had, he flushed down the toilet in the chase for greater ratings.

Cowell isn't going to bring the show back to its glory days by sticking his smug mug back on our TV screens.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:34
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I agree can't stand him. The show may have signed for three more years, but its not based on quality its all about revenue. They should really be looking to replace it with a better product instead of wheeling out the same crap every year.




I just popped into the forums to see what the general consensus seemed to be on this year, as I hadn't bothered watching. I'd lost interest and haven't missed it. For me at least, I can say that Cowell returning would put me off more than likely bring me back.

First, it would show a distinct lack of understanding on where the show has gone wrong. It would just continue to portray the image that the show is all about the judges and not about the contestants. I'd wager that if Cowell comes back, that would be the only change to the show, as they'd think that "HE'S BACK!!!" would be all they need to sell the next series.

Second, I think Cowell has long past his best. In his glory days, he was Mr. Nasty that we all secretly agreed with. He was mean and blunt, but he said it exactly as it was and wasn't afraid to tell a dreadful singer that they were dreadful. But for years he had descended into a bad parody of himself. He became inconsistent with his criticisms and would make some pretty ludicrous decisions that "old Cowell" never would have.

The general failure of X Factor USA should be enough evidence that Cowell doesn't have the pulling power that he used to. He ruined his own brand by trying to hard to manufacture controversy for the sake of headlines. Any small amount of integrity he had, he flushed down the toilet in the chase for greater ratings.

Cowell isn't going to bring the show back to its glory days by sticking his smug mug back on our TV screens.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:40
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I don't think Simon returning will bring back viewers either. There's so much wrong with this show I don't know where to start, and the judging panel is only the tip of the iceberg.

I think ITV have become far too reliant on Simon in the past decade when they really should be looking for fresh ideas and talent. Apart from X Factor and BGT all of his formats have been a flops, ITV will commission any old crap if he's behind it. Red or Black, Soapstar Superstar, Grease is the Word and that awful Great British Bake Off rip off. Now he's apparently behind a new dance show that will almost certainly be a carbon copy of Strictly, he could create a live televised farting contest and they'd actually broadcast it to keep him sweet. They need to remove their heads from his backside for a few minutes and get real.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:40
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The X Factor is turning into the 'Last of the Summer Wine' for modern times.

A horse on its last legs which ITV producers keep flogging but no one has the heart to put it out of its misery.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:41
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I think this show has got years left if only they would get serious with it.

If the show continues to be little more than competition between the judges. Or a search for the person who can make the most money regardless of talent. Or a show that seriously thinks people like Rylan, Jedward and Wagner (but to name a few) are worthy finalists. Or a show that asks people to spend money voting only for the final decision to be taken away from them. Or a show that can make a 2 hour programme to showcase approximately 12 minutes of singing. Or, well, should I go on ?

The problem in my eyes, is that inevitable changes will only serve to make the show more controversial when I firmly believe they should be going the other way and getting back to basics.

Oh, and I also firmly believe that Cowell will ultimately be the cause of the downfall of this show. Long may he stay away.
Actually, it's the lack of acts like this that were the problem this year. The audience like to have acts they root for and acts they love to hate. This year there were neither.

And Cowell definitely needs to come back, the panel is weak without him.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:46
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It can reinvent itself every year, thers no inbuilt shelf life with this sort of show.

It does, however, live and die by the casting each season.This year they got it spectacularly wrong.
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Old 16-12-2013, 12:49
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It can reinvent itself every year, thers no inbuilt shelf life with this sort of show.

It does, however, live and die by the casting each season.This year they got it spectacularly wrong.
Everything has a shell life, no show infallible. Eventually people get bored and move on.

The exceptions seem to be IAC and Strictly, however I don't believe they will last forever either.
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:07
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In terms of the amount of people that continuously watch it, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another 5 years in this. I suppose it's down to the state of the country at the moment; people would rather save their money and stay in on a Saturday night. X Factor has the potential to entertain the whole family, so it's easier just to watch that, even though a lot of people have kind of stopped taking it seriously.

Which is the problem.

Simon Cowell coming back wouldn't really change anything. Sure, they'd publicize it to the absolute max, and I imagine the first few episodes would pull in some great ratings for the show. I can picture the headlines now: "X Factor returns to monster ratings!" But then, as what happened this year, people will start to get bored of it. I'll also add that Cowell is not the biggest draw for many any more.

At first, like an above poster, I appreciated him for his harsh but fair comments. He was the guy who always said it like it was; the guy who, ultimately, was the guy you listened to. Now, any hint of integrity has just gone. I see him as an immensely greedy two faced man who has developed a massive ego thanks to his fame. He is the forerunner of looks before talent mentality, and will happily use anyone he can to make a fast buck. He is the face of a very greedy, very fat record company, and the fact that people continue to fund them every year with shows like this is just shocking. I mean, even if he comes back next year, it will be with his tale between his legs. He copied the X Factor format from Simon Fuller, then gave up his seat on the American Idol panel to try and do the same in the states. However, Idol is a beast over there, and instead of everyone ditching Idol for X Factor, it's kind of blown up in his face. He left the UK show simply for further fame and money, and I'm please it didn't work.

In short, this is probably the king of reality TV, a genre that promotes laziness, looking good with no hidden intelligence, and the idea that, even if you do not get a job or get on in life, a competition like this will just do it all for you. It's easier for people to aspire to things like this than actually work, especially considering how damn hard it is out there these days. So, in all, the show is tired, ridiculous, infuriating beyond belief... yet I think it's going nowhere. And neither is the greedy, self-obsessed Simon Cowell.
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:09
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It depends on how you look at it. Back in the day the show could actually get away with touting itself as a singing competition, even if it wasn't, but as each series goes on, more and more of the general public are exposed to the manipulations of the show and realise it is not a singing contest.

For light entertainment, fine. It's a bit excessive, especially with the media coverage too, but it's something to get through the winter months. Plus, you only have to really watch half an hour on Sunday to know what's going on. But if they expect it to continue whilst bleating how it's a genuine singing competition, then no. It beggars belief that the judges make comments like "This is about talent, not a popularity contest" even though they have had crap/joke acts in their category (Looking at you Gary Barlow and Frankie Cocozza) or to say people aren't voting because they think the favourite is safe. The public are voting less 1) because it's a recession and even though it's 50p(?) times are tight but 2) more importantly, because of the manipulation, people probably see it as being exploited or cheated (that's just my opinion, i've never voted at all throughout this show).

Slightly O/T but why is voting for these shows free in America but not here?
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:13
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In terms of the amount of people that continuously watch it, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another 5 years in this. I suppose it's down to the state of the country at the moment; people would rather save their money and stay in on a Saturday night. X Factor has the potential to entertain the whole family, so it's easier just to watch that, even though a lot of people have kind of stopped taking it seriously.

Which is the problem.

Simon Cowell coming back wouldn't really change anything. Sure, they'd publicize it to the absolute max, and I imagine the first few episodes would pull in some great ratings for the show. I can picture the headlines now: "X Factor returns to monster ratings!" But then, as what happened this year, people will start to get bored of it. I'll also add that Cowell is not the biggest draw for many any more.

At first, like an above poster, I appreciated him for his harsh but fair comments. He was the guy who always said it like it was; the guy who, ultimately, was the guy you listened to. Now, any hint of integrity has just gone. I see him as an immensely greedy two faced man who has developed a massive ego thanks to his fame. He is the forerunner of looks before talent mentality, and will happily use anyone he can to make a fast buck. He is the face of a very greedy, very fat record company, and the fact that people continue to fund them every year with shows like this is just shocking. I mean, even if he comes back next year, it will be with his tale between his legs. He copied the X Factor format from Simon Fuller, then gave up his seat on the American Idol panel to try and do the same in the states. However, Idol is a beast over there, and instead of everyone ditching Idol for X Factor, it's kind of blown up in his face. He left the UK show simply for further fame and money, and I'm please it didn't work.

In short, this is probably the king of reality TV, a genre that promotes laziness, looking good with no hidden intelligence, and the idea that, even if you do not get a job or get on in life, a competition like this will just do it all for you. It's easier for people to aspire to things like this than actually work, especially considering how damn hard it is out there these days. So, in all, the show is tired, ridiculous, infuriating beyond belief... yet I think it's going nowhere. And neither is the greedy, self-obsessed Simon Cowell.
This is an excellent post. I do wonder though that if Simon does return and the ratings continue to fall, will the X Factor bubble burst? And I wonder if the media will begin to turn on him (he does seem very protected - not a lot of negative publicity comes his way, even though he apparently cheated with one of his best friends girlfriend/wife)
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:16
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In terms of the amount of people that continuously watch it, I wouldn't be surprised if there were another 5 years in this. I suppose it's down to the state of the country at the moment; people would rather save their money and stay in on a Saturday night. X Factor has the potential to entertain the whole family, so it's easier just to watch that, even though a lot of people have kind of stopped taking it seriously.

Which is the problem.

Simon Cowell coming back wouldn't really change anything. Sure, they'd publicize it to the absolute max, and I imagine the first few episodes would pull in some great ratings for the show. I can picture the headlines now: "X Factor returns to monster ratings!" But then, as what happened this year, people will start to get bored of it. I'll also add that Cowell is not the biggest draw for many any more.

At first, like an above poster, I appreciated him for his harsh but fair comments. He was the guy who always said it like it was; the guy who, ultimately, was the guy you listened to. Now, any hint of integrity has just gone. I see him as an immensely greedy two faced man who has developed a massive ego thanks to his fame. He is the forerunner of looks before talent mentality, and will happily use anyone he can to make a fast buck. He is the face of a very greedy, very fat record company, and the fact that people continue to fund them every year with shows like this is just shocking. I mean, even if he comes back next year, it will be with his tale between his legs. He copied the X Factor format from Simon Fuller, then gave up his seat on the American Idol panel to try and do the same in the states. However, Idol is a beast over there, and instead of everyone ditching Idol for X Factor, it's kind of blown up in his face. He left the UK show simply for further fame and money, and I'm please it didn't work.

In short, this is probably the king of reality TV, a genre that promotes laziness, looking good with no hidden intelligence, and the idea that, even if you do not get a job or get on in life, a competition like this will just do it all for you. It's easier for people to aspire to things like this than actually work, especially considering how damn hard it is out there these days. So, in all, the show is tired, ridiculous, infuriating beyond belief... yet I think it's going nowhere. And neither is the greedy, self-obsessed Simon Cowell.
While I agree with much of this, I don't think many people really give a toss about the way Cowell operates. The fact remains that like him or loathe him, he was the star of the show and it's been a rudderless ship without him.
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:17
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I think the show has completely lost its way. Too much filler, too many advert breaks, I am sure it used to have more of a story and content. Now it's all Dermot announcing, 'coming up later we have a world exclusive with One Direction/Katy Perry etc' and 3 weeks later the same again. Also the 'X Factor' that the judges used to bang on about seems to have been forgotten, now it's all about just being a decent singer. There are lots of great singers out there but to make it in the business they also need to have a certain 'x factor'.
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:23
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It will last because its relatively reliable. I can't think of anything else that would be watched and get people wasting money on the same level.
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Old 16-12-2013, 13:23
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Slightly O/T but why is voting for these shows free in America but not here?
The law in the US prohibits charging for phone votes, here its allowed.

It is that simple.

Big Brother/The Voice ...got talent etc are all the same.
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