Saw this link to a fan made vid on Kasterborous.com: http://youtu.be/eO3veBHQ7aQ
War Doctor Regeneration
At the Stunt panel at the Doctor Who Celebration on Sunday one of the special FX guys said that the Hurt-Ecclestone regeneration sequence that they made was a lot longer and he was surprised it was cut so short in the aired episode.
When asked about this at the Eleventh Hour panel Moffat said it was to do with striking a balance between giving fans what they want and still having it look believable.
When asked about this at the Eleventh Hour panel Moffat said it was to do with striking a balance between giving fans what they want and still having it look believable.
CE may not have allowed his 'image rights' or whatever to be used, so that's a possible reason they had to stop where they did.
Thank goodness we have DT who is a real fan of the show and willing to come back for things like this. I'm sure the whole production team would have much preferred even just one 5 second scene of CE stumbling out of the tardis door and getting one last message from the Moment saying "Go find Rose" or something like along those lines.
Thank goodness we have DT who is a real fan of the show and willing to come back for things like this. I'm sure the whole production team would have much preferred even just one 5 second scene of CE stumbling out of the tardis door and getting one last message from the Moment saying "Go find Rose" or something like along those lines.
Originally Posted by kyllerbuzcut:
“CE may not have allowed his 'image rights' or whatever to be used, so that's a possible reason they had to stop where they did.
Thank goodness we have DT who is a real fan of the show and willing to come back for things like this. I'm sure the whole production team would have much preferred even just one 5 second scene of CE stumbling out of the tardis door and getting one last message from the Moment saying "Go find Rose" or something like along those lines.”
“CE may not have allowed his 'image rights' or whatever to be used, so that's a possible reason they had to stop where they did.
Thank goodness we have DT who is a real fan of the show and willing to come back for things like this. I'm sure the whole production team would have much preferred even just one 5 second scene of CE stumbling out of the tardis door and getting one last message from the Moment saying "Go find Rose" or something like along those lines.”
Such a shame if true! Why should CE do this to us fans! I bet if he had been willing to come back, that they would have had him there throughout too!
Originally Posted by kyllerbuzcut:
“CE may not have allowed his 'image rights' or whatever to be used, so that's a possible reason they had to stop where they did.
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“CE may not have allowed his 'image rights' or whatever to be used, so that's a possible reason they had to stop where they did.
”
Since the character appeared moving and speaking in the Gallifrey Stands scene that can hardly be the case.
Yes it was archive footage but so would the face in the Regeneration have been.
Originally Posted by Corwin:
“Since the character appeared moving and speaking in the Gallifrey Stands scene that can hardly be the case.
Yes it was archive footage but so would the face in the Regeneration have been.”
“Since the character appeared moving and speaking in the Gallifrey Stands scene that can hardly be the case.
Yes it was archive footage but so would the face in the Regeneration have been.”
Very true Im sure a few seconds more of CE in the regen scene wouldnt have made it over run.
Im sure they could have shaved a few seconds from somewhere else that didnt matter if it had!
Originally Posted by Banjoted:
“When asked about this at the Eleventh Hour panel Moffat said it was to do with striking a balance between giving fans what they want and still having it look believable.”
“When asked about this at the Eleventh Hour panel Moffat said it was to do with striking a balance between giving fans what they want and still having it look believable.”
That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.
Originally Posted by Helbore:
“That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.”
“That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.”
They could have just hired a body double and shot it in a way that it wouldn't be obvious.
Or is that sacrilege?
Originally Posted by Helbore:
“That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.”
“That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.”
Well the CGI from the link in the OP looked convincing enough! Maybe they should hire that guy to do their CGI next time
Originally Posted by Helbore:
“That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.”
“That makes it sound like Eccelston was CGI'd into the regen scene and it didn't look very convincing. If that's the case, probably better they didn't show it.”
That's what it sounds like to me. It mustn't have looked very convincing in the end so they cut it. I really don't think it was because Eccleston refused to have his image used.
I'd still quite like to see the whole official sequence. Perhaps the BBC could release it as a Youtube video?
Chris was clearly too busy handing out awards to winners of Mastermind Doctor Who special 
Did Chris do any extra-curricular Doctor Who stuff like the Mastermind appearance in his tenure? I only saw this for the first time yesterday, he was quite evasive even then about his future in the role .....
Did Chris do any extra-curricular Doctor Who stuff like the Mastermind appearance in his tenure? I only saw this for the first time yesterday, he was quite evasive even then about his future in the role .....
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“Well the CGI from the link in the OP looked convincing enough! Maybe they should hire that guy to do their CGI next time”
“Well the CGI from the link in the OP looked convincing enough! Maybe they should hire that guy to do their CGI next time
”
I remember seeing an amateur attempt at a new opening credit sequence on youtube that looked so much better than the actual, official one - so it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happened again!
Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted
Originally Posted by zaax:
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
If they did that they would really have to explain how Matt's Doctor broke the 12 regen limit then! As if you number like this:
1: WH-PT
2: PT-JP
3: JP-TB
4: TB-PD
5: PD-CB
6: CB-SM
7: SM-PM
8: PM-JH
9: JH-(mystery Doctor)
10: (mystery Doctor)-CE
11: CE-DT
12: DT Metastasis.
13: DT-MS
14: MD-PC
See how that takes it beyond 12 regens already like that! I cant see that working, as Moffat has to give us an explanation to why a 13th regen would happen anyway!
Originally Posted by zaax:
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
If you look closely, in the last couple of seconds during the regeneration scene, Eccleston's face is superimposed over Hurt's. It's very much a blink and you'll miss it moment but you can definitely see Eccleston's eyes just before the cut.
I doubt anyone would want to repeat the "forgotten Doctor" storyline anyway.
Originally Posted by November_Rain:
“They could have just hired a body double and shot it in a way that it wouldn't be obvious.
Or is that sacrilege?”
“They could have just hired a body double and shot it in a way that it wouldn't be obvious.
Or is that sacrilege?
”
Thinnish man with a buzz cut shot from the back with a dub of #9 saying "fantastic" would have worked for me.
Originally Posted by zaax:
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
Who's to say there isn't more than one doctor between hurt and ecclestone. And before anyone mentions the so called limit, answer this simple question - how many Masters has been?
Originally Posted by thorr:
“Who's to say there isn't more than one doctor between hurt and ecclestone. And before anyone mentions the so called limit, answer this simple question - how many Masters has been?”
“Who's to say there isn't more than one doctor between hurt and ecclestone. And before anyone mentions the so called limit, answer this simple question - how many Masters has been?”
That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake
The Master has managed to get round the regeneration limit but, on each occasion, it was explained how. If Hurt didn't regenerate into Eccleston then they have already missed their chance to explain how, as it has already happened.
Since Moffat has said that the limit exists and that it will be addressed it makes no narrative sense to go back and address something that has already happened.
Nor would it make any kind of creative sense to introduce any more secret Doctors. We've already had that plot twist. Any more and it would just be pointless and gratuitous repetition.
Plus, there's no way they could avoid renumbering the Doctors after that (which Moffat went to great lengths to avoid) and no way to explain why Clara didn't see these other Doctors in the Doctor's time line.
Face it. Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. End of.
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake
The Master has managed to get round the regeneration limit but, on each occasion, it was explained how. If Hurt didn't regenerate into Eccleston then they have already missed their chance to explain how, as it has already happened.
Since Moffat has said that the limit exists and that it will be addressed it makes no narrative sense to go back and address something that has already happened.
Nor would it make any kind of creative sense to introduce any more secret Doctors. We've already had that plot twist. Any more and it would just be pointless and gratuitous repetition.
Plus, there's no way they could avoid renumbering the Doctors after that (which Moffat went to great lengths to avoid) and no way to explain why Clara didn't see these other Doctors in the Doctor's time line.
Face it. Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. End of.”
“That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake
The Master has managed to get round the regeneration limit but, on each occasion, it was explained how. If Hurt didn't regenerate into Eccleston then they have already missed their chance to explain how, as it has already happened.
Since Moffat has said that the limit exists and that it will be addressed it makes no narrative sense to go back and address something that has already happened.
Nor would it make any kind of creative sense to introduce any more secret Doctors. We've already had that plot twist. Any more and it would just be pointless and gratuitous repetition.
Plus, there's no way they could avoid renumbering the Doctors after that (which Moffat went to great lengths to avoid) and no way to explain why Clara didn't see these other Doctors in the Doctor's time line.
Face it. Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. End of.”
I totally agree, the inconsistencies otherwise are just stupid!
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake”
“That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake
”
What Thrombin said
p.s. now everyone relax and watch this great youtube Montage of the Master: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKsIrGUV4ew
EDIT: As this great vid shows, 9 actors have played the Master in total.
Originally Posted by zaax:
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
“Who says the Doctor after Hurt will be Eccelston - it leaves the story line open for another doctor to be inserted”
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showt...1#post70351151
Originally Posted by Thrombin:
“That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake
The Master has managed to get round the regeneration limit but, on each occasion, it was explained how. If Hurt didn't regenerate into Eccleston then they have already missed their chance to explain how, as it has already happened.
Since Moffat has said that the limit exists and that it will be addressed it makes no narrative sense to go back and address something that has already happened.
Nor would it make any kind of creative sense to introduce any more secret Doctors. We've already had that plot twist. Any more and it would just be pointless and gratuitous repetition.
Plus, there's no way they could avoid renumbering the Doctors after that (which Moffat went to great lengths to avoid) and no way to explain why Clara didn't see these other Doctors in the Doctor's time line.
Face it. Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. End of.”
“That we've seen? I think it's about 7 plus a snake
The Master has managed to get round the regeneration limit but, on each occasion, it was explained how. If Hurt didn't regenerate into Eccleston then they have already missed their chance to explain how, as it has already happened.
Since Moffat has said that the limit exists and that it will be addressed it makes no narrative sense to go back and address something that has already happened.
Nor would it make any kind of creative sense to introduce any more secret Doctors. We've already had that plot twist. Any more and it would just be pointless and gratuitous repetition.
Plus, there's no way they could avoid renumbering the Doctors after that (which Moffat went to great lengths to avoid) and no way to explain why Clara didn't see these other Doctors in the Doctor's time line.
Face it. Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. End of.”
There has been, at least 17 masters.
