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Rebecca Adlington is on Come Dine With Me Christmas 16/12
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Daisy19
21-12-2013
Ohhh very annoyed to read that Rebecca is on Come Dine With Me! Oh well I like the others so it hopefully won't be too bad.

Edit: Just re-read the title, seems I have missed it anyway
wonkeydonkey
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by Daisy19:
“Ohhh very annoyed to read that Rebecca is on Come Dine With Me! Oh well I like the others so it hopefully won't be too bad.

Edit: Just re-read the title, seems I have missed it anyway ”

Why on earth would you be 'very annoyed' that Rebecca is on a programme you can't even be bothered to watch?
Veri
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Yep, and brought home 2 bronze medals which helped place us 3rd in the medal tables behind USA & China.”

Nonetheless, it was after she'd achieved what you referred to as her ultimate goals; and I don't think the 2012 Olympics were the last opportunity for her to help where the UK (or whatever group / team she was part of) in the placings.
Veri
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“No she wasn't. It isn't a technicality - it shows that Rebecca was perfectly right, and that Amy knew it as soon as she said it.”

It is a technicality (and "semantics" as well). It would even be reasonable to say Rebecca used a bit of the concealer on her finger to check the colour.

"Amy knew it" is a questionable interpretation of that scene, as has been discussed before.
wonkeydonkey
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by Veri:
“It is a technicality (and "semantics" as well). It would even be reasonable to say Rebecca used a bit of the concealer on her finger to check the colour.

"Amy knew it" is a questionable interpretation of that scene, as has been discussed before.”

1. I don't believe that Rebecca had ANY intention of using it; she was wrong-footed by Amy's sudden production of forbidden goods, and said what she did to get politely out of an embarrassing situation. There is no mistaking Rebecca's furious honesty in saying that she did not use it.

2. I do believe that this was by no means clear to Amy; when she said that Rewbecca had used it (she shouldn't have said 'other people', but still) she had no idea at all how badly Rebecca would take it; she genuinely thought that Rebecca had as good as used it, and assumed that Rebecca would back her up.
Veri
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“1. I don't believe that Rebecca had ANY intention of using it; she was wrong-footed by Amy's sudden production of forbidden goods, and said what she did to get politely out of an embarrassing situation. There is no mistaking Rebecca's furious honesty in saying that she did not use it.”

Perhaps the (alleged) fury is because she knew she was on very weak ground and so had to make up in vehemence what she lacked in reason.

And do you also think Rebecca had no intention of putting some on a finger? She went pretty far for someone who was just trying to be polite.

Quote:
“2. I do believe that this was by no means clear to Amy; when she said that Rewbecca had used it (she shouldn't have said 'other people', but still) she had no idea at all how badly Rebecca would take it; she genuinely thought that Rebecca had as good as used it, and assumed that Rebecca would back her up.”

As I said, it would be reasonable to say Rebecca used a bit of the concealer on her finger to check the colour.
Daisy19
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“ Why on earth would you be 'very annoyed' that Rebecca is on a programme you can't even be bothered to watch?”

I missed it, sorry i'm not perfect like you and don't miss things,,actually you are not perfect as you can't even read properly as I have already said this...*rolls eyes*
wonkeydonkey
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by Daisy19:
“I missed it, sorry i'm not perfect like you and don't miss things,,actually you are not perfect as you can't even read properly as I have already said this...*rolls eyes*”

I'm not perfect and can easily miss programmes. But not programmes so important to me that I am very annoyed at the presence of someone on them. *shrugs*
triton333
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“1. I don't believe that Rebecca had ANY intention of using it; she was wrong-footed by Amy's sudden production of forbidden goods, and said what she did to get politely out of an embarrassing situation. There is no mistaking Rebecca's furious honesty in saying that she did not use it.”

What we have are her actual words. They count more than pure speculation that she was just acting "politely", since I am not aware of her saying she was only being polite. And her "furious honesty" was based on a dictionary definition of "use" while conveniently ignoring that she was willing to use contraband.
wonkeydonkey
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by triton333:
“What we have are her actual words. They count more than pure speculation that she was just acting "politely", since I am not aware of her saying she was only being polite. And her "furious honesty" was based on a dictionary definition of "use" while conveniently ignoring that she was willing to use contraband.”

Disagreeing with something doesn't mean ignoring it. No she wasn't 'willing to use' it at all; she had no reason to suppose Amy would produce any such thing when she called her to the hut. There is no reason at all to doubt her dislike for rule-breaking, or her desire to back away from the situation as politely as possible.
Fairy Wings
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by Veri:
“Nonetheless, it was after she'd achieved what you referred to as her ultimate goals; and I don't think the 2012 Olympics were the last opportunity for her to help where the UK (or whatever group / team she was part of) in the placings.”

My post below was my take on the situation. It's Rebecca's business if she chooses to retire from competitive swimming. Maybe she got tired of all the gruelling training schedules who knows, only Rebecca. But she has done marvellous in her chosen sport and represented GB very well

Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“I presume you mean what you 'think' she's best at? She certainly has the swimming experience, but who knows if she'd make a good coach?



Most athletes retire once they've achieved their ultimate goal. As a world record holder, and multiple gold medal winner I think it's safe to say she's achieved her goals.



Lol meow. No-one in the sporting circuit enters just to compete. Too much dedicated training involved, but you probably know this....I hope



In some circumstances, but I think you are now just being rude to Rebecca.”

Fairy Wings
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Disagreeing with something doesn't mean ignoring it. No she wasn't 'willing to use' it at all; she had no reason to suppose Amy would produce any such thing when she called her to the hut. There is no reason at all to doubt her dislike for rule-breaking, or her desire to back away from the situation as politely as possible.”

Amy initially told Alphonso that the other girls were using her concealer, she didn't single out Rebecca. But there again Amy also told Kian and Joey that Annabel said she wanted to leave...........
Veri
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Disagreeing with something doesn't mean ignoring it. No she wasn't 'willing to use' it at all; she had no reason to suppose Amy would produce any such thing when she called her to the hut. There is no reason at all to doubt her dislike for rule-breaking, or her desire to back away from the situation as politely as possible.”

How do you know she wasn't willing to use it? You don't. In any case, she did use some, seemingly to test the colour, and her words, and putting some on a finger, naturally suggest that she was willing to use it on something she wanted concealed if the colour had been suitable.

Your "there is no reason at all to doubt her dislike for rule-breaking, or her desire to back away from the situation as politely as possible" is question-beggingly presupposing that she had that dislike and that desire.

As I've mentioned before, Rebecca didn't seem to have a big problem with rule-breaking at the time; instead, it seemed to be something that developed as she was exposed more to the attitudes some of the others had.
imrightok
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I can't for the life of me see what you are trying to prove. She is probably not that well known among people who have absolutely no interest in sport, but you could say that about almost anyone in any sport. As a double olympic gold winner and world record holder quite recently, she is a pretty big deal in the world of UK sport, which doesn't have that many olympic athletes to have achieved those things.




Yes, and Amy got 'slated a lot of Twitter' as well. Does that mean that 'her reputation is in tatters'? No, it just means that there was a bit of a spat on twitter, which affected no one and was not backed up by much in the way of press.”


I'm not sure what you're trying to prove because that's what I more or less said as regards her fame.

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“1. I don't believe that Rebecca had ANY intention of using it; she was wrong-footed by Amy's sudden production of forbidden goods, and said what she did to get politely out of an embarrassing situation. There is no mistaking Rebecca's furious honesty in saying that she did not use it.

2. I do believe that this was by no means clear to Amy; when she said that Rewbecca had used it (she shouldn't have said 'other people', but still) she had no idea at all how badly Rebecca would take it; she genuinely thought that Rebecca had as good as used it, and assumed that Rebecca would back her up.”


Don't tell me that you have never seen anyone put on a 'pretence'of being angry, so that those looking on(like yourself)thinks ' they must be telling the truth, why else would they be that angry?'

Oh for the gullible.

If someone was to offer me something that is illegal,and I had no intentions of using it, the last thing I'd do is to handle it. But I guess we're not all the same.

Originally Posted by Daisy19:
“I missed it, sorry i'm not perfect like you and don't miss things,,actually you are not perfect as you can't even read properly as I have already said this...*rolls eyes*”


She is perfect.
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Disagreeing with something doesn't mean ignoring it. No she wasn't 'willing to use' it at all; she had no reason to suppose Amy would produce any such thing when she called her to the hut. There is no reason at all to doubt her dislike for rule-breaking, or her desire to back away from the situation as politely as possible.”

You speak as if you know her personally, if you do, then fair enough. But I'm guessing that you don't know her anymore than we do and all you're doing is guessing and fantasising how you would like to think matters went.
anne_666
21-12-2013
I know who I believe and her name doesn't begin with A
I bet her Dad told her about Rebecca announcing she had lied to her about the blue bikini. Pay back time, LOL.......
wonkeydonkey
21-12-2013
Originally Posted by imrightok:
“You speak as if you know her personally, if you do, then fair enough. But I'm guessing that you don't know her anymore than we do and all you're doing is guessing and fantasising how you would like to think matters went.”

Are you using words of me that you would not use of yourself? Or are you happy to state that you are just guessing and fantasising what you would like to be true?
Daisy19
22-12-2013
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“I'm not perfect and can easily miss programmes. But not programmes so important to me that I am very annoyed at the presence of someone on them. *shrugs*”

Where did I say the show is important to me
I enjoy the programme so was annoyed Rebecca was going to be on as I don't like her. I've missed it though, no big deal, at least I don't have to listen to her now.
trevor tiger
22-12-2013
Originally Posted by hulakula:
“It's ok for Rebecca because she is famous for achieving something extraordinary. She isn't just famous for the sake of being famous like Amy.”

Originally Posted by hulakula:
“She deserves to be seen as a celebrity, you can not compare the likes of Rebecca to Amy.”

Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“Rebecca is famous though. She is a celebrity.

People who didn't watch 'I'm a celeb' will still know of Rebecca when she appears on these shows.”

Back to this Reality TV snobbery again. Rebecca is allowed on the gravy train because of her past but the stalwarts of most reality TV like Amy, Joey etc are looked down on even though without them we wouldn't actually have any of this kind of TV.

Anyone who indulges in this kind of TV, for them to then be picky about who is allowed to reap the benefits from it, like Lucy did in her VT before IAC reeks of hypocrisy IMO.
anne_666
22-12-2013
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Fairy Wings
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Back to this Reality TV snobbery again. Rebecca is allowed on the gravy train because of her past but the stalwarts of most reality TV like Amy, Joey etc are looked down on even though without them we wouldn't actually have any of this kind of TV.

Anyone who indulges in this kind of TV, for them to then be picky about who is allowed to reap the benefits from it, like Lucy did in her VT before IAC reeks of hypocrisy IMO.”

All the quotes you used in your post were replies to other people who came into a thread about Rebecca being on CCDWM. For instance the first quote below by Triton was post number 5. The thread had hardly started before the mocking began. Here are just a few of the early posts.

Originally Posted by triton333:
“Let's hope she gets grilled at her dinner table on using Amy's concealer. If she doesn't admit her fault then take a couple of points off.”

Originally Posted by slappers r us:
“well she didnt make the SCD cut so it look like she is going to try for any reality prog that will have her

and they say Amy was hungry for fame”

Originally Posted by imrightok:
“It'll be interesting to see where else she pops up. .”

Originally Posted by imrightok:
“Yeah, but it will be okay for Rebecca to do the celeb circuit. But had that been Amy.....”

Originally Posted by Pink Knight:
“Boring bugger on a boring program. She will win by a nose.”

triton333
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Fairy Wings:
“All the quotes you used in your post were replies to other people who came into a thread about Rebecca being on CCDWM. For instance the first quote below by Triton was post number 5. The thread had hardly started before the mocking began. Here are just a few of the early posts.”

I'm not sure what you mean. Whether they were replies or not isn't important to trevor tiger's point, since they were quotes that are able to stand alone (IOW, they weren't twisted by being taken out of context). tt just responded to them, regardless of what previous posts brought them out.
Veri
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by trevor tiger:
“Back to this Reality TV snobbery again. Rebecca is allowed on the gravy train because of her past but the stalwarts of most reality TV like Amy, Joey etc are looked down on even though without them we wouldn't actually have any of this kind of TV.

Anyone who indulges in this kind of TV, for them to then be picky about who is allowed to reap the benefits from it, like Lucy did in her VT before IAC reeks of hypocrisy IMO.”

Yes, I think it is snobbery and hypocrisy.

I also think the hypocrisy of looking down on others who are doing the same reality show may reflect insecurity about how significant their own accomplishments and current standing are. As I said in another thread:

... there's often a certain fragility to their position, by the time they're doing a show like CBB or IAC, or even if they're doing more high prestige shows like Strictly Come Dancing. They typically aren't super-busy in their careers with lots of opportunities coming their way, or they wouldn't have time to do a reality show; and for older ones, their greatest accomplishments may be well in the past. ...

By the time soap actors reach the point in their careers that Lucy and Mo have reached, it's unlikely that they'll ever break out into something with a higher profile or more prestige. Some of their younger co-stars might, but it's unlikely that they will.
canucko
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Daisy19:
“Where did I say the show is important to me
I enjoy the programme so was annoyed Rebecca was going to be on as I don't like her. I've missed it though, no big deal, at least I don't have to listen to her now.”

Thanks for sharing? No idea why you did though
Jimmy Connors
31-12-2013
I have just watched the Come Dine With Me episodes, and I thought Rebecca did well. She's just a nice person full stop IMO. (as were all of them that week - even Miss Moneypenny, who I thought was a right hoot)
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