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What free antivirus after MSE stops in april? i was looking at AVG but any others as good as MSE?
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What free antivirus after MSE stops in april? i was looking at AVG but any others as good as MSE?
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And I still can't see why people care what operating system someone else is using.
You've never met me, never have, and likely never will. If you ever do, I promise I won't make you even look at my evil XP laptop. Wouldn't want you to catch anything ![]() Dave |
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A new car model cannot be compared to a new OS which comes a new unique own set of holes, and much rust from past guise.
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I suppose you are right about no log in as Admin and did change it for a while but reverted back. I know all the reasons why reverting back is not a good idea but it is much more convenient ..... not having to log in and not having to log in as admin to run a program I've just downloaded.
The same can be said for UAC, if I upgrade to 7 or 8 (which means a new computer in my case) I think I'd probably switch it off. I believe you can train it up with a whitelist of things that are allowed to run but even so I'd find it annoying downloading something from a trusted site and then getting the UAC prompt. . There is a reason very few people complain about it anymore |
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UAC on 7 and 8 is barely noticeable and you don't see it on everything you download from the internet.
There is a reason very few people complain about it anymore i'm sure there was some reasoning behind it. but it appeared crazy. |
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Only if your AV is MSE which will obviously cease updates.
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Because of the Internet we do not live in isolation. Whilst it is of little concern whether you personally suffer the consequences of your choices, other people can feel the effects of the botnets that are largely populated by unpatched and insecure systems.
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the huge design fault with UAC on vista was that it would warn you that an action would require a UAC elevation, ask you to OK that, then ask you for the elevation and ask you to OK that.
i'm sure there was some reasoning behind it. but it appeared crazy. "You have moved your mouse, cancel or allow?"
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Yeah on Vista it would ask you permission more or less every time you moved your mouse
"You have moved your mouse, cancel or allow?" ![]() i think to be fair the problem as well as bad design was that it particularly affected you when you had a new computer and were installing all your stuff. |
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I recently used a NatWest Bank ATM machine and during this period it locked-up and subsequently rebooted itself. As a consequence of this action I was able to see the reboot process on the machine's screen.
Which operating system was the machine using? Why Windows XP of course! I understand a great number of business related machines still use XP. Are these all going to be replaced by April 2014? I think not. |
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I recently used a NatWest Bank ATM machine and during this period it locked-up and subsequently rebooted itself. As a consequence of this action I was able to see the reboot process on the machine's screen.
Which operating system was the machine using? Why Windows XP of course! Quote:
I understand a great number of business related machines still use XP. Are these all going to be replaced by April 2014? I think not.
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An interesting aspect for XP is that Windows 7 patches will be reverse engineered by AV companies and malware writers to see if the same holes are in XP.
So a patched flaw in 7 will likely highlight an unpatched flaw in XP. Seems like it could be quite a goldmine for XP malware wannabes. |
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Seems to me that there are so many flaws in all Windows OS, it doesn't make any difference which one you use.....XP, Vista, 7 or 8.
If you get hit by the malware before Microsoft close the gate then patches are of no use whatsoever....whether it's supported or not. That's just one of the reasons why I'm not particularly concerned about upgrading my Windows OS. |
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Seems to me that there are so many flaws in all Windows OS, it doesn't make any difference which one you use.....XP, Vista, 7 or 8.
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The 'good security' seems over hyped to me.
So many of the flaws are imposed by Internet Explorer, Office and Exchange. Microsoft adds its own insecure baggage, especially with IE. Sort of acknowledging that hype just looks at this months security bulletin. They simply say 'Microsoft Windows' or 'Microsoft Office', knowing full well they would get criticised for carrying flaws forwards and then adding some new ones ! Could be worse I suppose. At least they have not yet banned AV products which also help detect flaws. |
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Seems to me that there are so many flaws in all Windows OS, it doesn't make any difference which one you use.....XP, Vista, 7 or 8.
If you get hit by the malware before Microsoft close the gate then patches are of no use whatsoever....whether it's supported or not. That's just one of the reasons why I'm not particularly concerned about upgrading my Windows OS. |
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The 'good security' seems over hyped to me.
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How is it overhyped?
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By design the security architecture of Vista, 7 and 8.x is vastly superior to any previous Windows OS, including XP SP2+.
Dave As we know, many holes get inherited in the next gen OS, and for good measure, can even add new ones. |
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I see a touch of hype there Dave.
As we know, many holes get inherited in the next gen OS, and for good measure, can even add new ones. it happens all the time where an exploit is discovered in the XP core, or IE, flash, acrobat, java but the same vector is mitigated automatically in 7 & 8 because of other built in protections. |
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Interesting "over the shoulder" and "over the counter" observations tell me that quite a few "corporates" such as the NHS, my Building Society, my Opticians etc. appear to be still using XP. Wonder what upgrade plans they have?
Also, when I worked in Local Government being arm-twisted into very expensive (£10,0000s!) upgrades by Microsoft offered a poor Return On Investment as people carried on working with their products in the same old way. Best investment ever was Citrix - remote and mobile access and homeworking. That was revolutionary and really changed working methods. |
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Also, when I worked in Local Government being arm-twisted into very expensive (£10,0000s!) upgrades by Microsoft offered a poor Return On Investment as people carried on working with their products in the same old way.
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I see a touch of hype there Dave.
As we know, many holes get inherited in the next gen OS, and for good measure, can even add new ones. It is not hype, it is a simple statement of fact. |
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What free antivirus after MSE stops in april? i was looking at AVG but any others as good as MSE?
As MSE will continue to operate beyond XP EOL, then updates for MSE will continue to arrive, but not via WU mechanism. Only problem is XP will no longer be a supported platform for MSE, so if the updates don't work, are no longer offered or the system fouls up, then you will have to remove MSE and take an alternative. This is a good example of the actual discussion of this thread. Stuff that runs on WINDOWS isn't guaranteed to work on XP. Period. |
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Is that not down to bad training and management though?
I could add that staff were able to carry out their TASKS without exploring potential benefits by the upgrades. With more training they MIGHT have done so but many were non-technical and possibly still have not benefited. The organisation always talked about training but in practice offered very little. Management was a mixed bunch ranging from excellent to abysmal. Our Department once opted to "do nothing" with one particular upgrade and saved £,000s with little or no productivity disbenefits. I'm from West Yorkshire also and actually not Ripper Street. So which of five Councils? No names, no pack drill.
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