In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.
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Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.”
“In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.”
Can you give some examples?
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.”
“In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.”
Of course it is. MSE is a free competitor to their processor-hogging crapware.
Originally Posted by John259:
“Of course it is. MSE is a free competitor to their processor-hogging crapware.”
“Of course it is. MSE is a free competitor to their processor-hogging crapware.”
Well said.
Yes few resources seem to be used in the MSE detection system.
It is now so bad it usually fails to get classified in testing.
It is now so bad it usually fails to get classified in testing.
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.”
“In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway.”
In your world maybe it does
Originally Posted by xxtimbo:
“So what do you need to do to protect your Windows XP computer? Here are some options, along with the costs associated with each:
Option 1: Upgrade your current computer. Microsoft recommends that you switch to a supported operating system, ideally Windows 8.1. Of course, there's a cost associated with that. You can upgrade to Windows 8.1 for $119.99 if your computer meets the system requirements (run the Microsoft upgrade assistant to see if it does).
You also could upgrade to an older system that's still supported but cheaper than Windows 8.1, such as Windows 7 ($89.99, Amazon).
Option 2: Buy a new computer. If your computer doesn't meet the requirements to operate Windows 8.1, you'll have to buy a new one if you want to use Microsoft's newest operating system. Prices will vary depending on size and specifications, of course, but several 15-inch laptop computers that support this Windows system start at around $400.”
“So what do you need to do to protect your Windows XP computer? Here are some options, along with the costs associated with each:
Option 1: Upgrade your current computer. Microsoft recommends that you switch to a supported operating system, ideally Windows 8.1. Of course, there's a cost associated with that. You can upgrade to Windows 8.1 for $119.99 if your computer meets the system requirements (run the Microsoft upgrade assistant to see if it does).
You also could upgrade to an older system that's still supported but cheaper than Windows 8.1, such as Windows 7 ($89.99, Amazon).
Option 2: Buy a new computer. If your computer doesn't meet the requirements to operate Windows 8.1, you'll have to buy a new one if you want to use Microsoft's newest operating system. Prices will vary depending on size and specifications, of course, but several 15-inch laptop computers that support this Windows system start at around $400.”
Do you live in America? It's just that I've noticed that you've put the prices in dollars.
Originally Posted by alan1302:
“In your world maybe it does”
“In your world maybe it does”
http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...fication-again
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security...in-dennis-test
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mic...der,19452.html
So it recently got failed thrice. Its loss is in fact a bit of a plus.
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...fication-again
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security...in-dennis-test
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mic...der,19452.html
So it recently got failed thrice. Its loss is in fact a bit of a plus.”
“http://www.neowin.net/news/microsoft...fication-again
http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/security...in-dennis-test
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mic...der,19452.html
So it recently got failed thrice. Its loss is in fact a bit of a plus.”
Your original post was ' In the AV world, to many MSE is seen as malware anyway'
None of those links support that. MSE is rubbish, but not seen as Malware at all.
Originally Posted by zx50:
“Do you live in America? It's just that I've noticed that you've put the prices in dollars.”
“Do you live in America? It's just that I've noticed that you've put the prices in dollars.”
It's called copy & paste.
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“So it recently got failed thrice. Its loss is in fact a bit of a plus.”
“So it recently got failed thrice. Its loss is in fact a bit of a plus.”
Some question the methodology that those tests use.
Microsoft (quite rightly IMO) assumes that if you have MSE or Windows Defender enabled that you have automatic Windows Updates enabled.
The AV tests don't, so they test MSE on Windows 7 with SP1but no further patches (SP1 came out 3 years ago yesterday), while MS tests MSE/WD with the latest security updates installed.
It's worth noting that when you do the same tests on Windows 8.1 (i.e. with far more security updates present from the start) that the results are much better for Windows Defender.
I also find it laughable that AV Test claims that MSE runs on Windows 8.1. If you're testing security software, you could at least make an effort to get the name of the product correct.
Thank you. Is Microsoft security essentials a virus checker ? Can you run it in conjunction with avast which I run at the moment along with malwarebytes ?
I've asked my local dealer and he says he can't sell windows 7 disks and i should get one from a "shop" rather than online at amazon etc.
I've asked my local dealer and he says he can't sell windows 7 disks and i should get one from a "shop" rather than online at amazon etc.
Originally Posted by Daveoc64:
“..Microsoft (quite rightly IMO) assumes that if you have MSE or Windows Defender enabled that you have automatic Windows Updates enabled.The AV tests don't, so they test MSE on Windows 7 with SP1but no further patches ..”
“..Microsoft (quite rightly IMO) assumes that if you have MSE or Windows Defender enabled that you have automatic Windows Updates enabled.The AV tests don't, so they test MSE on Windows 7 with SP1but no further patches ..”
Yes, testing is too rigid but its still best to go with what the data.
If you like to take a gamble then go ahead and take the risk.
No, multi AVs do not run very well together NE5.
But it is likely near unheard of for MSE to add anything to an AV mix.
Originally Posted by NE5:
“Thank you. Is Microsoft security essentials a virus checker ? Can you run it in conjunction with avast which I run at the moment along with malwarebytes ?
I've asked my local dealer and he says he can't sell windows 7 disks and i should get one from a "shop" rather than online at amazon etc.”
“Thank you. Is Microsoft security essentials a virus checker ? Can you run it in conjunction with avast which I run at the moment along with malwarebytes ?
I've asked my local dealer and he says he can't sell windows 7 disks and i should get one from a "shop" rather than online at amazon etc.”
Microsoft Security Essentials is an antivirus program, but is generally thought of as not as good as Avast, and you should only run one antivirus program at a time, so I would stick with your Avast and Malwarebytes combination.
Amazon or Ebuyer are fine for buying Windows 7 DVDs, and will probably be cheaper than a shop like Currys/PC World.
Windows 7 upgrade retail would probably set you back about £150, but the OEM version of Windows 7 Home Premium would be just over £70, but you'd need to do a clean install with that.
OEM disks can only be installed on one PC, whereas
retail disks can be used on a series of PCs (only one at a time though).
If you are going to put Windows 7 on your machine, just make sure the hardware is up to it. If it has less than 2GB of RAM, it probably wouldn't be worth spending the money.
Originally Posted by emptybox:
“If you are going to put Windows 7 on your machine, just make sure the hardware is up to it. If it has less than 2GB of RAM, it probably wouldn't be worth spending the money.”
“If you are going to put Windows 7 on your machine, just make sure the hardware is up to it. If it has less than 2GB of RAM, it probably wouldn't be worth spending the money.”
Depends what you want to use it for. My old laptop with a 1.6GHz single processor and 1GB RAM runs fine on W7 for the feeble applications I use it for, even playing videos. Anything meaty I run on my more powerful desktop.
Oh look, yet another Zero Day malware hole in IE.
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014...tack-ms-warns/
Only applies to IE 9 and IE 10 so like I mentioned a few times before, each new generation can add extra security holes.
It does not apply to XP IE 8, though for safety reasons I do avoid using as much as I can anyway.
The sad thing is that IE 8 holes may leak post April, many of which may simply run via the OS not the browser.
Embedding IE8 in the whole OS system added another attack vector that cannot be avoided.
"people should avoid using IE 10 whenever possible"
(I omitted the superfluous to me, 'For the time being, ')
http://arstechnica.com/security/2014...tack-ms-warns/
Only applies to IE 9 and IE 10 so like I mentioned a few times before, each new generation can add extra security holes.
It does not apply to XP IE 8, though for safety reasons I do avoid using as much as I can anyway.
The sad thing is that IE 8 holes may leak post April, many of which may simply run via the OS not the browser.
Embedding IE8 in the whole OS system added another attack vector that cannot be avoided.
"people should avoid using IE 10 whenever possible"
(I omitted the superfluous to me, 'For the time being, ')
Originally Posted by xxtimbo:
“There must be millions on xp.... are we being slowly hounded off
The net ?
I feel as though LM back on 56 k. Dial up
My browsers are not working as good as they used to
its taking me an age just to get on google”
“There must be millions on xp.... are we being slowly hounded off
The net ?
I feel as though LM back on 56 k. Dial up
My browsers are not working as good as they used to
its taking me an age just to get on google”
I'm still using XP, along with free version of Avast - no problems at all.
I have some old Macromedia software that won't work with newer versions of Windows, so will continue with XP till the bitter end.
Unless you have a hardware problem, I suspect a clean reinstallation of XP will solve your problems with lagging.
As this thread seems to have gone on and on, and off the original subject in many posts, I haven't read every post, so maybe this has been suggested already - but if you haven't found a solution yet, I suggest trying a full reinstall of XP.
I'm using XP, Avast and Opera to surf.
Still feels as nimble as it used to feel and I plan on using XP long after the expiry date.
Will probably add a free firewall program like Zone Alarm after XP support ends.
Still feels as nimble as it used to feel and I plan on using XP long after the expiry date.
Will probably add a free firewall program like Zone Alarm after XP support ends.
Yet another April option, pinched from the Linux thread.
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc1
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc1
im going to stay with xp...and most likely have duel boot with windows 7.amazon are doing w7 32bit home premium for around £50.
Originally Posted by DirtyBarrySpeed:
“I'm using XP, Avast and Opera to surf.
Still feels as nimble as it used to feel and I plan on using XP long after the expiry date.
Will probably add a free firewall program like Zone Alarm after XP support ends.”
“I'm using XP, Avast and Opera to surf.
Still feels as nimble as it used to feel and I plan on using XP long after the expiry date.
Will probably add a free firewall program like Zone Alarm after XP support ends.”
ah. I used to use zone alarm in the past when I had windows 98 etc
Originally Posted by NE5:
“ah. I used to use zone alarm in the past when I had windows 98 etc”
“ah. I used to use zone alarm in the past when I had windows 98 etc”
I dabbled with it long ago. I decided after a while that it was mostly scareware!
Originally Posted by alanwarwic:
“Yet another April option, pinched from the Linux thread.
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc1”
“Yet another April option, pinched from the Linux thread.
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/releasenote-4-4-rc1”
That's interesting. I might consider that for the remaining XP machines in our house. Either that or Ubuntu Linux. Someone told me that one of the recent Ubuntu versions would be ideal for the old XP systems. I was thinking of dual booting XP and Ubuntu on the desktop as the XP partition can still be used for playing games and using non-internet software that doesn't work on Mac/Windows 7/Windows 8.1.
Fund a Linux that runs smooth for the machine.
That UNetbootin 'auto installer' is a lazy way to install.
That UNetbootin 'auto installer' is a lazy way to install.
Originally Posted by cnbcwatcher:
“That's interesting. I might consider that for the remaining XP machines in our house. Either that or Ubuntu Linux. Someone told me that one of the recent Ubuntu versions would be ideal for the old XP systems. I was thinking of dual booting XP and Ubuntu on the desktop as the XP partition can still be used for playing games and using non-internet software that doesn't work on Mac/Windows 7/Windows 8.1.”
“That's interesting. I might consider that for the remaining XP machines in our house. Either that or Ubuntu Linux. Someone told me that one of the recent Ubuntu versions would be ideal for the old XP systems. I was thinking of dual booting XP and Ubuntu on the desktop as the XP partition can still be used for playing games and using non-internet software that doesn't work on Mac/Windows 7/Windows 8.1.”
a very interesting alternative. I have been thinking about buying windows 7 but this whole business is a pain I like others would rather not have to do it at all. Its like being told to change your car because they aren't going to stop selling the grade of petrol for it.
Using Ubuntu might be a time consuming process to set up, but when it is done, how long is it likely to last and how protected is it from viruses and malware etc ?
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