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lilirose
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“- The companion should always have a prominent role and not just be there for exposition sake.”

I agree with this.

Originally Posted by Antimon_Bush:
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-Jack is my least favorite companion and I think he ruined every episode he appeared in. I also don't like Amy.”

Originally Posted by James Frederick:
“Amy is the worse companion ever even worse than Adric and Mel”


I agree with this on both accounts. Jack ruined every episode he was in and Amy is the worst companion, played by a mediocre actress. ( don’t know much about the past era so I am talking about the revived era here)

Originally Posted by Antimon_Bush:
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Rings of Akhaten is a fantastic episodes IMO.”

Rings of Akhaten is a great episode.


Originally Posted by CD93:
“Clara is also a character, not just a plot device.

As this very detailed post by UrsulaL will now explain.

Spoiler
She really isn't hard to understand. The thing to remember is that her mystery, her seeming impossible nature, is merely a quirk of the Doctor's time-traveling lifestyle and our seeing her story from his perspective. He, and we, encounter the consequences of her decision to save him by stepping into his timeline before we meet her younger self, Modern Clara, who eventually made that choice.

It would be very interesting to find someone who hasn't seen her story, and show it to them from her perspective. Start with "The Bells of Saint John" but edit out all of the Doctor's stress about her being impossible and the woman twice dead. What is it like to get to know Clara without that distraction?

What you have is an educated young woman, finished with university, and either working as a teacher or on a break from work, who is staying with some friends who recently lost the mother of the family, and whose teenage children are going through the same loss she experienced as a teenager whose mother died. She's compassionate, but clearly an adult to their teenage nature. She's not trying to replace their mother. She does make a point of being an example of someone who has lost their mother, but has dealt with it, and an example of how you can remember your mother lovingly, and how the initial pain of early mourning will change.

Clara is not working as a nanny. She's helping friends, temporarily. They are already looking for a longer-term solution to their needs when we first meet her. She's relaxed, trusting them to not make demands on her indefinitely. The father is grateful, and looking for other help so that he isn't taking advantage of her generosity unreasonably.

Clara is motivated by kindness and friendship. Professionally, she's motivated to educate, nurture, and mentor. These things drive her interactions with the Doctor and her choices in their adventures.

Clara's strength lies in her people skills. She's not good with computers. She doesn't get along with the TARDIS. And when she does interact with the TARDIS, she does so by treating it as a person. Characterizing the Doctor's need for the TARDIS to like her as being like a boyfriend who needs his mother to like a girlfriend. But she isn't really comfortable with the idea of a person-like machine, also stepping back and characterizing the TARDIS as an "appliance." Less impressed, and more uncomfortable with the alien than other modern companions have been. The hacking skills she picks up when uploaded are put to use not merely hacking, but by understanding how the people working for her enemy will have used social media, and using that people-knowledge to find them.

Clara has an interest in travel. This is related to her fond memories of her mother, who shared the dream of travel with her through the "101 Places to See" book. But this is a fond memory and keepsake, something of a scrapbook of memories as well. Clara is not obsessed with this desire to travel. She'll postpone travels to care for friends in need. She'll take up the Doctor's offer to travel with him, eagerly. But she's not running away with him. When he frames his offer as "running away" she firmly declines, and suggests he comes back in the morning and ask again. And while the "101 Places to See" book represents her interest in travel, it doesn't define it. She's not looking to work her way through the book. She wants to see amazing things. And that's what she asks the Doctor for.

Clara is very much an adult. She's finished school, she has a job, she has a career and life she likes. She is at a stage in life that Amy and Rory were only beginning to reach when they left us. And she picks up their mature travel habits with the Doctor where they left off. In a way, this gives the Doctor a chance to continue to grow in his understanding of what a companion can be. Rory asked why the Doctor can't just phone ahead. Clara insists that he does phone ahead.

While we got a clear view of all of what a companion's life was with earlier modern companions, with Clara, her life is largely off-screen. What we see is her vacations and holidays.

Clara has a clearer sense of her own mortality than earlier modern companions. She's experienced death, up-close, through the death of her mother when she was a teenager, old enough to understand. Her first instinct, in danger, is to retreat to safety. She's not looking for adventure. But she will step up, and not walk away when someone is in need. As we see with the friends she's helping, with her reaching out to Merry as a scared child, with her responding to the disaster that was the GI disrupting the Doctor's timestream by sacrificing herself.

Clara isn't driven to rewrite history. Rather, when knowing history gives her a glimpse into a possible future, realizing that she must have stepped into the Doctor's timestream to be the women he remembers, it gives her the courage to carry through the act, writing history rather than rewriting it.

In a way, she reminds me of Liz Shaw, another woman who had a career, and who liked the Doctor but would not let the Doctor disrupt her life or hold her back. It is playing out differently because Clara's career doesn't put her in competition with the Doctor, and the Doctor isn't holding her back professionally. LIz was a trained scientist who wouldn't play second fiddle or function as merely an assistant, and Clara rejects the role of "assistant" as well. There is also a fair amount of Rory, particularly early Rory in her, with her refusal to be impressed, and her willingness to question the Doctor. But while Rory confronts the Doctor, Clara more simply says "no" to him when he's asking for more than she's willing to give, and she makes her "no" stick.

Clara is also interesting in that she's often made uncomfortable by the things she experiences. She initially sees the Doctor wanting to take her into a small box rather creepy. She's freaked out when the Doctor takes his snapshots of the life of Earth. The things that the Doctor shows his companions aren't always easy, and it is refreshing to have a companion who takes time to think about what she's experiencing, and who questions the new things she's experiencing rather than running ahead unthinkingly.
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Totally agree. Clara is a great companion and is defined and has a life outside being the doctor’s companion.
Donna is overrated.

Originally Posted by codename_47:
“ Also pairing him up with River was a mistake.”




I hated everything to do with River and I too think making River the doctor’s wife (although they are not married) was a mistake.


Another opinion:
I have no problem with the romance aspect of the show in the new era.
I don’t want the doctor to get married or anything like that, but there is no harm in the companions falling in love with him.
The doctor is a hero who whisks the companion away and they save the universe together. So I can see why the companions will find that very attractive. The concept itself is very romantic. A hero comes along, whisks you away and you travel together in time and space.
Also I have no problem with doctor having feelings either. He is not an alien in the same way the Daleks or Cyberman are, who are devoid of any feelings.
Some companions risk their life to save him very selflessly, and make the ultimate sacrifice. So there is no reason why the doctor can’t feel something for a companion. Whether that’s requited love or not is a different matter.
Sylva
23-12-2013
Brigadier Leftbridge Stewart, and UNIT as a whole actually, is dreadfully boring.

There is no way that Mcgann or Ecclestone could have portrayed the War Doctor, it just wouldn't have made sense. He was the forgotten Doctor, which neither 8 or 9 were.
daveyboy7472
23-12-2013
Well I've always been a staunch defender of the more unpopular Doctors and I still think William Hartnell and Colin Baker are still good Doctors in their own right. The problem people have with both these Doctors is that they often dwell too far on the negative aspects of their portrayal and don't look at the bigger picture.

I'm watching through the Hartnell Era at the moment and it's a joy to watch him just being this stern but eccentric Doctor, rather removed from the more romantic and crazy New Series interpretations. People seem to think he's just this grumpy old man and though this is true, people forget all the endearing parts of his portrayal like the high pitched chuckles, the eccentricity and the bumbling and Hartnell's fluffs which just add to the character. Stories like The Romans show it isn't all being stern and angry and on his day could be just as funny as some of the more popular Doctors.

As for Colin Baker, well, there's not too much more to say than I have numerous times over the years on this forum. I can understand people not liking his portrayal in The Twin Dilemma and in other stories like Timelash and the first episode of Revelation Of The Daleks where he wasn't at his best. That's all people see, they don't look at the other stories where he was a lot more humourous and more Doctor-Like.

I never used to like him either but his Doctor is one that needs working at and watching right through, perhaps several times to realise just how good he was.

So much as the all The Doctors are good in their own right, I'm think these two Doctors are absolutely brilliant as well.

Simon_Foston
23-12-2013
The whole point of this thread is unpopular opinions, so...

Doctor Who really wasn't getting better just before it was cancelled in 1989. I can't actually watch any more than 7 minutes of episodes from seasons 25 and 26.

I really liked Eric Roberts as the Master.

I have no time for Doctor Who comics, books or audios. Far from having any kind of 'canonical' status, they have no more bearing on the TV series than the games kids play in their rooms with Doctor Who action figures.
mojo5000
23-12-2013
I think Love and Monsters is a great episode and I really like the TV Movie.

Torchwood: Ianto is completely overrated and Owen was my favourite of the group.

I don't mind Martha or Amy. I loathe Clara and River and liked Rose's family more than I liked her (although I thought she was much better with Nine).
AidanLunn
23-12-2013
"Doctor Who is a pile of loony lefty liberal commie marxist crap dished up by the scroungers at the BBC that poisons our children's minds into believing all are equal and that war is bad" - a serious comment I saw once on a Daily Mail article about the show.
onemorearrow
23-12-2013
Matt Smith is the greatest Doctor of them all BUT he has been ill-served with the quality of his material. His first season was a full-on classic (so many high points - Vincent and the Doctor, The Pandorica Opens/The Big Bang, the sublime Amy's Choice, the Eleventh Hour, The Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone) but though his second season started strongly the quality quickly nose-dived and it's never really recovered. There are the occasional episodes I enjoy, but on the whole it's been really utterly dreadful for three years and I feel so desperately sorry for Matt who, like I said, is by far my favourite incarnation of them all.
Granny McSmith
23-12-2013
All the companions and secondary characters, including Rose, Martha, Donna, Amy, Clara, Rory, Captain Jack, Mickey and Rory have been perfectly OK, and for people on here to moan about any of them spoiling Doctor Who in some way is laughable.
adammarc_98
23-12-2013
DW should have probably been cancelled in '85, then it would have returned sooner and we wouldn't have had to suffer seasons 23 + 24.
Grisonaut
23-12-2013
Bring back the Quarks.
Granny McSmith
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Grisonaut:
“Bring back the Quarks.”

I second this, and so does Dodo, my Quark (I know most on here now will have no idea what I mean by this. )

Also, of course, bring back Alpha Centauri.
Joe_Zel
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Sylva:
“Brigadier Leftbridge Stewart, and UNIT as a whole actually, is dreadfully boring.

There is no way that Mcgann or Ecclestone could have portrayed the War Doctor, it just wouldn't have made sense. He was the forgotten Doctor, which neither 8 or 9 were.”

In regards to Eccleston, Moffat confirmed differently recently. The war Doctor only became the forgotten Doctor after he knew Eccleston wouldn't be involved.
Palmerwho
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Joe_Zel:
“In regards to Eccleston, Moffat confirmed differently recently. The war Doctor only became the forgotten Doctor after he knew Eccleston wouldn't be involved.”

Didn't he also say that the lines in Rose about the ears implied he had recently Regenerated, so he struggled to see Nine as the Doctor who pressed the big red button. He also maintained that 8 was never going to be the Doctor who fought in the war (Too nice to ever go that dark).
Joe_Zel
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Palmerwho:
“Didn't he also say that the lines in Rose about the ears implied he had recently Regenerated, so he struggled to see Nine as the Doctor who pressed the big red button. He also maintained that 8 was never going to be the Doctor who fought in the war (Too nice to ever go that dark).”

That's not the point. The point is that had Eccleston been willing, he would have played the War Doctor and the forgotten Doctor was created as a fill in because he didn't believe 8 fought in the Time War.
Glenn Reuben
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Palmerwho:
“Didn't he also say that the lines in Rose about the ears implied he had recently Regenerated, so he struggled to see Nine as the Doctor who pressed the big red button. He also maintained that 8 was never going to be the Doctor who fought in the war (Too nice to ever go that dark).”

He did, but I disagree. He looked pretty grizzled in The Night of the Doctor and could easily have done it.
marsch_labb
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Glenn Reuben:
“He did, but I disagree. He looked pretty grizzled in The Night of the Doctor and could easily have done it.”

Agreed on the yes and no.
yes: he showed he had the determination to do it by accepting the Sister of Karn's offer.
No: he had to take the war elixir to be completely ready for the task.
TEDR
23-12-2013
Originally Posted by Glenn Reuben:
“He did, but I disagree. He looked pretty grizzled in The Night of the Doctor and could easily have done it.”

No, he's one of the nice ones.
hajua
24-12-2013
John Hurt is every bit as nice as Paul McGann. They really should have got Jason Statham.
marsch_labb
24-12-2013
Originally Posted by hajua:
“John Hurt is every bit as nice as Paul McGann. They really should have got Jason Statham.”


but even Statham would have needed the war elixir against both the Daleks and the Timelords
Bob Paisley
24-12-2013
I never really warmed to David Tennant and was quite happy to see him leave.
TheSilentFez
28-12-2013
I seem to be in the minority, but I really hate the current TARDIS console room. On the other hand, I absolutely adored the 2010-2012 one. I thought it looked stunningly beautiful. I want one.
spiney2
28-12-2013
terrence dicks said ..... somewhere ...... that nu who is quite as good as old who, ...... just very different. i beg to differ .........

i like a well constructed story with proper characters and a coherent plot ......... wish for the moon spiney2 ........
spiney2
28-12-2013
Originally Posted by Granny McSmith:
“I second this, and so does Dodo, my Quark (I know most on here now will have no idea what I mean by this. )

Also, of course, bring back Alpha Centauri. ”

the dominators is only dw serial that inspired a pete & dud satirical sketch .......
rwebster
28-12-2013
Originally Posted by Shawn_Lunn:
“- There is no Classic Series and New Who. There is only Doctor Who. It's certain fans who seem to be creating a divide amongst the show, not the show itself.”

Oh, that's a bit like saying "There is no The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings. There is only Mordor." There's sixteen full years between the buggers - just because they're continuous, with many of the same characters, doesn't mean they can't also be separate! Division isn't innately a bad thing. I think distinguishing between the two only makes sense - and the show itself has been entirely complicit with the divide, right from the start. Chris Eccleston's box set is "The Complete First Series."

(This is my unpopular opinion, by the way - so please don't take it as an attack on yours! I don't expect many to agree.)

Another unpopular opinion - I'd say that statistically, John Hurt is the best ever Doctor Who, as his only episode is a 10/10 for me. He may well be the best acted Doctor, too, did fantastic things with the character, although there is rather more competition for that crown.
Sara Webb
28-12-2013
I found Rose highly irritating.
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