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Old 23-12-2013, 21:09
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As per title

BBC Two HD (Scotland, Wales & NI) When????

Is there any prediction or timescale for the launch of these channels?

BBC One English regional nightmare can then start!!!
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Old 23-12-2013, 21:57
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There is a thread over in the Broadcasting section you may want to check out:

http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1923218
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Old 23-12-2013, 23:45
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I used to get BBC 2W (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_2W) which was worth having but I'm not sure now if it makes that much difference having regionalised versions of the current BBC 2.
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Old 24-12-2013, 00:18
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I'd rather have BBC2 HD England than BBC2 NI HD on Freeview.
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Old 24-12-2013, 14:19
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I'd rather have BBC2 HD England than BBC2 NI HD on Freeview.
Interesting point as at present BBC viewers in NI with Freeview HD can watch the national BBC2 HD output and don't have to watch BBC2 NI regional programmes. I think there are others like yourself who prefer this and it is one of the reasons why I went down the satellite route a few years ago as I wanted the option of opting out of locally made programmes.
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Old 24-12-2013, 17:12
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I can't really see the need to have nation variants of BBC Two full stop. Other than the local news and magazine shows, BBC One has precious little regional variation so why bother with doing this for BBC Two as well?
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Old 24-12-2013, 18:44
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Interesting point as at present BBC viewers in NI with Freeview HD can watch the national BBC2 HD output and don't have to watch BBC2 NI regional programmes. I think there are others like yourself who prefer this and it is one of the reasons why I went down the satellite route a few years ago as I wanted the option of opting out of locally made programmes.
I can't really see the need to have nation variants of BBC Two full stop. Other than the local news and magazine shows, BBC One has precious little regional variation so why bother with doing this for BBC Two as well?
I wonder if he number of viewers watching BBC 2 HD England in the nations, because they dont like the regional output, can be measured against how many are actually watching their BBC two national variant in the nations.
If they were compared and it was found that the regional output was watched by just a few and the BBC Two England HD was watched more, then there would be a case to axing BBC 2 in the nations and putting the regional output on BBC 1, or shifted to channels like BBC Alba in Scotland and S4C in Wales.
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Old 24-12-2013, 20:58
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I wonder if he number of viewers watching BBC 2 HD England in the nations, because they dont like the regional output, can be measured against how many are actually watching their BBC two national variant in the nations.
If they were compared and it was found that the regional output was watched by just a few and the BBC Two England HD was watched more, then there would be a case to axing BBC 2 in the nations and putting the regional output on BBC 1, or shifted to channels like BBC Alba in Scotland and S4C in Wales.
Good point. BBC2W and BBC2NI though cover Pro 12 rugby on a Friday night and it might be a problem putting that on BBC1 Wales and BBC1 NI instead of regular national BBC1 schedule.
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Old 24-12-2013, 21:20
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I wonder if he number of viewers watching BBC 2 HD England in the nations, because they dont like the regional output, can be measured against how many are actually watching their BBC two national variant in the nations.
If they were compared and it was found that the regional output was watched by just a few and the BBC Two England HD was watched more, then there would be a case to axing BBC 2 in the nations and putting the regional output on BBC 1, or shifted to channels like BBC Alba in Scotland and S4C in Wales.
You are ignoring the fact that BBC Alba and S4C are there to provide programmes in minority languages, Gaelic and Welsh respectively. Not to provide additional capacity for regional variations in English.
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Old 24-12-2013, 22:01
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You are ignoring the fact that BBC Alba and S4C are there to provide programmes in minority languages, Gaelic and Welsh respectively. Not to provide additional capacity for regional variations in English.
Why cant they do both? BBC Alba is a part time channel so its hours would just get extended, S4C may only have to provide the Friday night Rugby as an extra, I dont see why that would be a huge problem?
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Old 24-12-2013, 22:07
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Good point. BBC2W and BBC2NI though cover Pro 12 rugby on a Friday night and it might be a problem putting that on BBC1 Wales and BBC1 NI instead of regular national BBC1 schedule.
S4C could do the Rugby in Wales as that channel is half funded by the BBC anyway.
I don't know about Rugby in NI as there isn't another channel there? But the BBC could do a part time channel like BBC Alba is in Scotland.
If BBC 2 NI doesn't exist any more, then there may be the payout available, along with the space on Dsat and on freeview the same arrangement as BBC Alba in Scotland.
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Old 24-12-2013, 22:16
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Why cant they do both? BBC Alba is a part time channel so its hours would just get extended, S4C may only have to provide the Friday night Rugby as an extra, I dont see why that would be a huge problem?
You don't see why it would be a huge problem because you consistently think up unworkable and inappropriate fantasy solutions to problems that don't exist.

They are minority language channels, their purpose is to encourage the continuing use of these languages and help prevent them from becoming extinct. To prevent the languages falling into disuse, you know, like being replaced by programmes in English. What a crazy idea.
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Old 18-01-2014, 14:07
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Any update on national versions in HD of BBC Two HD?

Sooner this is sorted sooner they can start BBC One HD Regions in England !!!
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Old 18-01-2014, 18:24
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Any update on national versions in HD of BBC Two HD?

Sooner this is sorted sooner they can start BBC One HD Regions in England !!!
The BBC Trust has only just had its first meeting of the year. Whether or not it was discussed let alone agreed upon is still unknown (the minutes when released in around three weeks time will give us a clue). If not, it may be discussed in February's meeting.
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Old 18-01-2014, 18:28
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Any update on national versions in HD of BBC Two HD?

Sooner this is sorted sooner they can start BBC One HD Regions in England !!!
Why should creating national versions of BBC Two HD have any bearing on the creation of BBC One HD regions?
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Old 18-01-2014, 22:04
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The BBC Trust has only just had its first meeting of the year. Whether or not it was discussed let alone agreed upon is still unknown (the minutes when released in around three weeks time will give us a clue). If not, it may be discussed in February's meeting.
Do we know if the BBC have submitted anything yet?
They were supposed to by this month?
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Old 18-01-2014, 22:39
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Do we know if the BBC have submitted anything yet?
They were supposed to by this month?
Not necessarily this month, but early this year. They won't give a running commentary. We may need to wait for an update from Alix Pryde.

I suspect the first BBC One HD English regions will be North West and London - primarily because they are HD ready, sitting in the two major BBC bases which have been set-up with HD in mind. In fact BBC London News can be seen in HD on BBC News HD Mon-Fri 0627, 0657, 0727 and 0757. BBC North West Tonight comes from the same studio and sofa as Breakfast (which is HD) in Salford.

I can't see every BBC One region going in HD on satellite anytime soon, though.
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Old 19-01-2014, 08:59
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Not necessarily this month, but early this year. They won't give a running commentary. We may need to wait for an update from Alix Pryde.

I suspect the first BBC One HD English regions will be North West and London - primarily because they are HD ready, sitting in the two major BBC bases which have been set-up with HD in mind. In fact BBC London News can be seen in HD on BBC News HD Mon-Fri 0627, 0657, 0727 and 0757. BBC North West Tonight comes from the same studio and sofa as Breakfast (which is HD) in Salford.

I can't see every BBC One region going in HD on satellite anytime soon, though.
I think there are 18 versions of BBC One

I'm not sure if the BBC will launch separate bits of HD in England
and run the risk if creating a 2 tier service.

I think the BBC can't so too many things at the same time
and if they sort out HD nations for BBC Two as it maybe higher on the to-do-list
then they can concentrate on 18 BBC One HD's
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Old 19-01-2014, 09:20
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Originally Posted by Dansky+HD;7*****39
I think there are 18 versions of BBC One

I'm not sure if the BBC will launch separate bits of HD in England
and run the risk if creating a 2 tier service.
But this is what happens when ever you rollout an enhancement to an existing platform
- take 625 lines, Colour, Teletext, NICAM sound, and Digital Itself.
and as you point out 18 Regions are a lot to do all at once!!!
(and in any terms expensive)

I think the BBC can't so too many things at the same time
and if they sort out HD nations for BBC Two as it maybe higher on the to-do-list
then they can concentrate on 18 BBC One HD's
BBC Two Nations is played out and as the BBC is currently in the preliminaries of renewing the Playout Contract
(Hence the OFT Ericsson Reference is very complex)
... is nations playout to be Centralised
- by who ever BBC or outsourced..
(They have done it with Local Radio!)
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Old 19-01-2014, 12:49
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Personally, I'd rather not have BBC 2 NI on Freeview.
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Old 19-01-2014, 23:39
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Personally, I'd rather not have BBC 2 NI on Freeview.
Id like access to ALL of the HD regions on the EPG.
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Old 20-01-2014, 01:42
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Id like access to ALL of the HD regions on the EPG.
or they just replace the SD ones on Dsat! Cant do that on freeview though because of the stupid HD section! The HD section on freeview only started because the original channels couldn't swap with anything as there was nothing exact to swap them with, now they are just not allowed! Its all Arqivia's fault too, I hope the BBC can push though swapping at the next review, by pushing the fact they want to faze out their SD channels.
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Old 08-02-2015, 19:44
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Anyone had an update on this yet? Would love to see BBC TWO Scot HD on 102.

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Old 08-02-2015, 20:24
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Anyone had an update on this yet? Would love to see BBC TWO Scot HD on 102.

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Nothing as yet most likely BBC trust will announce something when its happening.
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Old 08-02-2015, 22:48
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Last summer, the official line was 2018 for BBC Two HD Wales, according to minutes on the BBC Trust website. This is around the time when DTT starts to be reconfigured to free up 700 MHz.
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