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The Ratings Thread (Part 56)
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mrstreetcred
02-01-2014
So with Sherlock probably timeshifting past 11 million, this will be the bench mark for 2014, unless Gary time shifts over a million, I know it's early but it would be nice for a drama to be number 1 this year
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“What's the third one? Or are you counting the two episodes of Mrs Brown as two different comedies?”

Miranda last January
NeilVW
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by cylon6:
“Today's the day. We are possibly minutes away from it.”

Overnights.tv is now showing Christmas Day's programmes in exact to-the-second timeslots:

Quote:
“BBC One Wed 25/12/2013 20:32:32 58 EASTENDERS”

...so the Gold Standard, fully consolidated and tape-checked officials must be out!

ronant?

EDIT: he's already on the case I see!
GoshBagosh
02-01-2014
Great rating for David Blaine on Channel 4 last night...
very impressive show
Dancc
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“In what way is that the indication?”

I'm pretty confident it's a slot they could have at least met the BBC1 average in with the right ammunition. I can only assume Gnomeo and Juliet was given a chance there because it had such a strong voice cast.

Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“Yes lets focus on the drop in share and not the drop in actual viewers year-on-year (which is almost 2 million).”

Pipe down Alex for heaven's sake. The loss in viewers had already been mentioned. Taking the time to read > being argumentative with others for the sake of it.

Sorry that me not being a parrot made the post unexciting for you.
xeo
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 11.52m
2 - Doctor Who: 11.14m
3 - Coronation Street: 9.83m (9.40m excl. +1)
4 - Downton Abbey: 9.41m (8.95m excl. +1)
5 - EastEnders: 9.36m

Updating...”

I see Corrie is top soap after all then
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by xeo:
“I see Corrie is top soap after all then ”

The arguments will therefore be over DA and CTM because with 8.95m for DA excluding repeat, CTM has clearly beaten it (reported at 9.17m earlier).

DA sinks to being only the third biggest rating drama on Christmas Day - humiliation!

Reposted for those of us who believe in fairness and a level playing field:

Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 11.52m
2 - Doctor Who: 11.14m
3 - Coronation Street: 9.40m
4 - EastEnders: 9.36m
5 - Call the Midwife: 9.16m
6 - Downton Abbey: 8.95m
7 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.84m
8 - Toy Story 3: 7.33m
9 - Emmerdale: 6.77m
10 - The Queen (BBC One): 5.82m

Downton sixth again on the big day.

Dead heat basically between the top two soaps.
GeorgeS
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The arguments will therefore be over DA and CTM because with 8.95m for DA excluding repeat, CTM has clearly beaten it (reported at 9.17m earlier).

DA sinks to being the third biggest rating drama on Christmas Day - humiliation!

Reposted for those of us who believe in fairness and a level playing field:

Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 11.52m
2 - Doctor Who: 11.14m
3 - Coronation Street: 9.40m
4 - EastEnders: 9.36m
5 - Call the Midwife: 9.16m
6 - Downton Abbey: 8.95m
7 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.84m
8 - Toy Story 3: 7.33m
9 - Emmerdale: 6.77m
10 - The Queen (BBC One): 5.82m

Downton sixth again on the big day.Dead heat basically between the top two soaps.”

How can you talk about "the big day" and use 7 day consolidated figures. And you criticise others!
Dancc
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“The arguments will therefore be over DA and CTM because with 8.95m for DA excluding repeat, CTM has clearly beaten it (reported at 9.17m earlier).”

Arguments started by you.

Surely the whole point of consolidated numbers is to take absolutely everything into account.

As there's no BBC1+1 yet, viewers know this and catchup in other ways accordingly. It doesn't make the complete picture for Downton Abbey any less relevant than the complete picture for Call the Midwife.
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 11.52m
2 - Doctor Who: 11.14m
3 - Coronation Street: 9.40m
4 - EastEnders: 9.36m
5 - Call the Midwife: 9.16m
6 - Downton Abbey: 8.95m
7 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.84m
8 - Toy Story 3: 7.33m
9 - Emmerdale: 6.77m
10 - The Queen (BBC One): 5.82m

The three in bold are the real stand out figures. Everyone said Toy Story was on too soon but you cannot argue with 7.3m at 3.20pm in the afternoon!

SCD stormed the teatime slot - nearly 9m, one of its highest ever Xmas Day figures. It will keep that slot for sure.

And DW, a show on fire, getting a stupefying 11.14m against Corrie!

BBC bosses - you need to air this show later in the evening and when it's dark. You have just got 12.8m and 11.1m for the last two such episodes, against two of ITV's biggest of big hitters. Learn the lessons!!
NeilVW
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 11.52m [+2.12m]
2 - Doctor Who: 11.14m [+2.85m]
3 - Coronation Street: 9.83m (9.40m excl. +1) [+1.56m/+1.49m]
4 - Downton Abbey: 9.41m (8.95m excl. +1) [+2.40m/+2.36m]
5 - EastEnders: 9.36m [+1.58m]
6 - Call the Midwife: 9.16m [+2.08m]
7 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.84m [+1.54m]
8 - Toy Story 3: 7.33m [+1.01m]
9 - Emmerdale: 7.07m (6.77m excl. +1) [+1.32m/+1.27m]
10 - The Queen (BBC One): 5.82m [+0.14m]
11 - ITV News (19:15): 5.73m (5.56m excl. +1) [hardly any change]
12 - BBC News (15:10): 5.65m [unknown]
13 - Michael McIntyre's Showtime: 5.26m [+0.5m approx]
14 - ITV News (22:30): 5.16m (4.83m excl. +1) [+0.2m approx inc +1]
15 - Paul O'Grady: For the Love of Dogs at Christmas: 5.11m (4.67m excl. +1) [+1.2m approx inc +1]
16 - Tangled: 3.66m (3.07m excl. +1) [unknown]
17 - BBC News (23:05): 3.34m [hardly any change]
18 - Top of the Pops Christmas: 3.22m [+0.1m approx]
19 - Home Alone 2: Lost in New York: 2.96m (2.52m excl. +1) [+0.3m approx inc +1]
20 - Bear's Wild Weekends: 2.77m (2.53m excl. +1) [+0.6m approx inc +1]”

Thanks ronant. Changes from the overnights (which weren't tape-checked at all of course) marked in bold.
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“Arguments started by you.

Surely the whole point of consolidated numbers is to take absolutely everything into account.

As there's no BBC1+1 yet, viewers know this and catchup in other ways accordingly. It doesn't make the complete picture for Downton Abbey any less relevant than the complete picture for Call the Midwife.”

What about folk who watch on iPlayer via means not yet included in the consolidated figures? We don't count them, but presumably you're not fussed about that.

The only fair level playing field comparison is to rank consolidated first showings, the official BARB gold standard reporting methodology.

The idea that I "started this argument" is pathetic.
GeorgeS
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“BBC bosses - you need to air this show later in the evening and when it's dark. You have just got 12.8m and 11.1m for the last two such episodes, against two of ITV's biggest of big hitters. Learn the lessons!!”

Yes because everyone was at work or shopping or stuck on the M25 during the day on the 25th. Jeez, is your new years resolution to talk utter tripe?
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
CTM and DA have gone into battle twice now on the big day, and CTM has won both times.

And people ask why CTM airs on Christmas Day.

You have your answer!
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Yes because everyone was at work or shopping or stuck on the M25 during the day on the 25th. Jeez, is your new years resolution to talk utter tripe?”

What about the one in November that trounced TXF?
GeorgeS
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“What about the one in November that trounced TXF?”

Maybe they can fake another 50th anniversary when they exclude the years it was on hiatus?
Salv*
02-01-2014
Outstanding for Sherlock, great for David Blaine!
Newcastle
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by ronant:
“Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys: 11.52m
2 - Doctor Who: 11.14m
3 - Coronation Street: 9.83m (9.40m excl. +1)
4 - Downton Abbey: 9.41m (8.95m excl. +1)
5 - EastEnders: 9.36m
6 - Call the Midwife: 9.16m
7 - Strictly Come Dancing: 8.84m
8 - Toy Story 3: 7.33m
9 - Emmerdale: 7.07m (6.77m excl. +1)
10 - The Queen (BBC One): 5.82m
11 - ITV News (19:15): 5.73m (5.56m excl. +1)
12 - BBC News (15:10): 5.65m
13 - Michael McIntyre's Showtime: 5.26m
14 - ITV News (22:30): 5.16m (4.83m excl. +1)
15 - Paul O'Grady: For the Love of Dogs at Christmas: 5.11m (4.67m excl. +1)
16 - Tangled: 3.66m (3.07m excl. +1)
17 - BBC News (23:05): 3.34m
18 - Top of the Pops Christmas: 3.22m
19 - Home Alone 2: Lost in New York: 2.96m (2.52m excl. +1)
20 - Bear's Wild Weekends: 2.77m (2.53m excl. +1)”

Thanks. Interesting, no major changes to Overnights top ten except Downton climbing to fourth.
AlexiR
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“Miranda last January”

I keep forgetting that was on this time last year.

Originally Posted by Dancc:
“I'm pretty confident it's a slot they could have at least met the BBC1 average in with the right ammunition...”

But what I asked was why you feel the 'low share' was an indication that a 'stronger film' would have performed better. This notion that more people were watching television therefore should (or could) have been watching BBC1 is somewhat flawed.

Quote:
“Pipe down Alex for heaven's sake. The loss in viewers had already been mentioned. Taking the time to read > being argumentative with others for the sake of it.”

I wasn't being argumentative for the sake of it but rather pointing out that focusing on a loss of share year-on-year is rather redundant when the show has lost in the region of 2 million viewers year-on-year. Of course the share is down it would be nothing short of miraculous if a show could lose close to 2 million viewers and retain the same share. Its an utterly pointless observation.
cylon6
02-01-2014
Thanks for the ratings Ronant.

Corrie and Downton got a boost as expected. I like that a sitcom topped the day.
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
The MacIntyre 2012 DVD actually piled on a few too, surprisingly. 5.3m won't be seen as too shabby by BBC bosses I guess, although MBB would have had more than twice that in the same slot.
kwynne42
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“Maybe they can fake another 50th anniversary when they exclude the years it was on hiatus? ”

Don't need to do that since the 10th Anniversary of the new show since Doctor Who came back is on 26th March 2015.
RobbieSykes123
02-01-2014
Just to tidy up and repost this for those of us who adopt the conventional methodology:

Christmas Day 2013 - consolidated ratings

1 - Mrs Brown's Boys (BBC1): 11.52m
2 - Doctor Who (BBC1): 11.14m
3 - Coronation Street (ITV): 9.40m
4 - EastEnders (BBC1): 9.36m
5 - Call the Midwife (BBC1): 9.16m
6 - Downton Abbey (ITV): 8.95m
7 - Strictly Come Dancing (BBC1): 8.84m
8 - Toy Story 3 (BBC1): 7.33m
9 - Emmerdale (ITV): 6.77m
10 - The Queen (BBC1): 5.82m
11 - BBC News (15:10) (BBC1): 5.65m
12 - ITV News (19:15) (ITV): 5.56m
13 - Michael McIntyre's Showtime (BBC1): 5.26m
14 - ITV News (22:30)(ITV): 4.83m
15 - Paul O'Grady: For the Love of Dogs at Christmas (ITV): 4.67m
16 - BBC News (23:05)(BBC1): 3.34m
17 - Top of the Pops Christmas (BBC1): 3.22m
18 - Tangled (ITV): 3.07m
19 - Bear's Wild Weekends (C4): 2.53m
20 - Home Alone 2: Lost in New York (C4): 2.52m

Which means:

BBC1 - 11/20; 4/5 and 7/10
ITV - 7/20; 1/5 and 3/10

However you want to spin that, a veritable triumph for BBC1.

ITV's 7/20 is skewed by them airing 3 news bulletins in Xmas Day prime.
Dancc
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by AlexiR:
“I wasn't being argumentative for the sake of it but rather pointing out that focusing on a loss of share year-on-year is rather redundant when the show has lost in the region of 2 million viewers year-on-year. Of course the share is down it would be nothing short of miraculous if a show could lose close to 2 million viewers and retain the same share. Its an utterly pointless observation.”

Well I personally cannot remember the last time EastEnders was only the 5th best performing programme on BBC One in terms of share of the audience.

It is with deep regret that this observation served no purpose to you, but others may find it interesting so I stand by it being worth a mention.

There's plenty of stuff you come out with that doesn't interest me one iota and I can't imagine why it would anyone, but I tend to just bite my tongue because a) it's not very nice to tell someone who has clearly put effort into a post that they haven't added anything useful and b) it's easier just to skip past it and focus on stuff that does interest me.
AlexiR
02-01-2014
Originally Posted by RobbieSykes123:
“BBC bosses - you need to air this show later in the evening and when it's dark. You have just got 12.8m and 11.1m for the last two such episodes, against two of ITV's biggest of big hitters. Learn the lessons!!”

Of course those were both two pretty big special episodes that its going to be difficult to repeat in the immediate future. Although the first episode of a new Doctor should complete the trilogy (so to speak) later in the year I suppose. Not that I disagree with the general assessment that they should probably air it in a slightly later slot. Although actually I think more than a later slot a consistent(ish) time slot would be infinitely more helpful. They have to end the scheduling that has the show starting a 6:45 one week, 7:30 the next, 7:15 the week after and then back to 6:45.
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