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The Ratings Thread (Part 56)
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SamuelW
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by D.M.N.:
“You've conveniently ignored the slot Vicious was in. Much more competitive, and you've said yourself, comedies can organically grow more outside of primetime and build an audience.”

The thing is: Vicious had fairly easy competition for its series, which makes its ratings performance worse than it was. Competition from BBC One:

Episode 1: Crimewatch
Episode 2: Pirates of the Carribbean [repeat]
Episode 3: The Prisoners
Episode 4: Hillsborough documentary
Episode 5: People's Coronation
Episode 6: D-Day: Last Heroes

Nothing particularly big ratings-wise there from BBC One, mainly PSB documentaries. IIRC, BBC Two aired The Fall against it, but that was it really in terms of heavy competition for Vicious. With a Coro St. Monday night lead-in, it should've rated much better. If it can't rate well on a Monday night at 9pm right after Coro St, there's no hope for it - that is as good a slot it could get on a weeknight. Tonight's episode will rate a little better than those last 3 due to the xmas promotion it's had but for a regular series, it's likely a Friday slot for it would result in even worse ratings than the Monday slot it had because of fewer people watching tv on Fridays, a smaller lead-in from Coro, mroe comedy competition on other channels etc. Miranda by the way grew organically in an 8.30pm slot which is right in the heart of prime time. If the show has something going for it, the viewers will come.
iaindb
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by SamuelW:
“I saw a trailer of Two Doors Down yesterday, the episode is actually set on New Years Eve so must've been planned for ages for it to air then. Also it is about a Scottish family. I remember reading that Scots watch BBC1 much more on New Years Eve than the rest of the nation with up to 90% watching Hogmanay. So it might work having this Scottish based comedy just before the New year celebrations.”

It appears to be about a Scottish family living in Belfast. It's another Celtic crossover like Mrs Brown's Boys.

BBC1 Scotland opts out to show its own programmes every New Year's Eve. This year the opt-out starts at 10.15pm, but then there's not much point in them opting out of a programme about a Scottish family celebrating Hogmanay.
Jonwo
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Iqbal_M:
“Doctor Who "The Time of the Doctor" sets a new ratings record in America.

http://blog.zap2it.com/frominsidethe...c-america.html

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Doctor Who has really grown on BBC America, it has tripled its audience on the channel within a few years. BBC Worldwide IIRC didn't want it to go to BBC America as they wanted a channel like Syfy to air it, Syfy aired the first four series with BBC America repeating it but BBC America eventually got first run rights.
nick202
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Andy23:
“I would agree, but it depends where it was scheduled, surely anything that was back to back with MBB would be a ratings hit.”

I think maybe another couple of SOAH specials at Christmas next year rather than a full series would be best - as others have pointed, it did very well within the context of Boxing Day but would flounder away from the season of goodwill.
Legend16
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by nick202:
“I think maybe another couple of SOAH specials at Christmas next year rather than a full series would be best - as others have pointed, it did very well within the context of Boxing Day but would flounder away from the season of goodwill.”

To be fair, we won't know whether that astonishing figure for Still Open All Hours was inflated by being 'within the context of Boxing Day' or genuine interest, until we get a full series. The fact 28,000 people applied to the taping of the special shows that the demand is there. I'm sure the BBC wouldn't refuse it if the actors were up for it.
Rowan Hedge
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Hit Em Up Style:
“It had nothing to do with their handling of Lorraine Newman. Dominic was being lined up as EP of EE in 2012 but he was under contract with Lovely Day. So instead the BBC, or rather Kate Harwood, saw waiting for Dominic made more sense and got Newman to stay on a extended period to oversee the hand over. DTC actually had imput into EE several months prior to taking over. Danny Dyer confirms the first interview he had with EE in May this year was with Dominic. That was two months before he was announced publicly as new EP. Newman was his caretaker. She was never supposed to be in the job full time but Kirkwood left over ''differences'' and they had no one else at that point.

Lorraine Newman stabilised EE ready for DTC. She restored the core writers to how they were pre Kirkwood, stripped back storylines for a quiet period to let the dust settle from the baby swap controversy and brought in many of the production team changes we are starting to see on screen. It was also Newman who got the returns of several key characters agreed. Most of whom quit under Kirkwood no less. She deserves credit for managing to woo Michael French back after six months of solid negotiations.

Dominic takes over a far more healthier show than Newman did and that is thanks to what she herself did. Honestly. Some people are acting like EE is at 2 million viewers and in dire straits. Its no where near that bleak. Sure its ratings have dropped but its still their highest rating show most days of the week. Very few rate above it.

If any one is to blame for the decline of EEs ratings its Danny Cohen. He turned a blind eye to what was going on. 2011 is the darkest year in the shows history. The baby swap caused so much damage to its public perception that it was always going to take a long time to recover. People seriously underestimate what that one story did to EastEnders.”

Good post.

You are correct that one story damaged the brand so much that I personally had enough of waiting around for improvement decided to quit the show, sad to say but I'm not returning as a viewer as too much time has past and I broke the habit but if it is improving then good because its payback for viewer loyalty for those that stuck with it.

I wish EE a good successfull 2014.
dan2008
27-12-2013
EastEnders ran 7:59-8:27 tonight despite no news update.
iaindb
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Legend16:
“To be fair, we won't know whether that astonishing figure for Still Open All Hours was inflated by being 'within the context of Boxing Day' or genuine interest, until we get a full series. The fact 28,000 people applied to the taping of the special shows that the demand is there. I'm sure the BBC wouldn't refuse it if the actors were up for it.”

It's pretty inevitable that a series would rate lower than last night's Christmas special. It depends what the BBC's expectation for the series' ratings is. In this day and age an overnight of 5m and a consolidated of 6m is pretty good for a sitcom. Think how happy ITV and their supporters on the ratings thread would have been if vicious had settled at that level. Those figures would even be a good result for Birds Of A Feather.
Legend16
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“It's pretty inevitable that a series would rate lower than last night's Christmas special. It depends what the BBC's expectation for the series' ratings is. In this day and age an overnight of 5m and a consolidated of 6m is pretty good for a sitcom. Think how happy ITV and their supporters on the ratings thread would have been if vicious had settled at that level. Those figures would even be a good result for Birds Of A Feather.”

I agree. Anything about 5m would be good for any comedy, on any channel really. I can't see it getting anything higher unless the Christmas special was higher. What last night's figure tells us is that viewers like nostalgia. That could work in Birds of a Feather's favour too (hence why I predicted 8.7m in the RPG). I don't think Vicious is a bad show, I think the concept is fine. The script is poor, that's the problem. I think tonight's Christmas special will get a decent 3.8m taking into consideration the ratings of it's first run.
Rowan Hedge
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by dan2008:
“EastEnders ran 7:59-8:27 tonight despite no news update.”

Hi Dan Merry Christmas.

yorkie100
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by johnnymc:
“I think that the BBC should be wary of commisioning a series of "Still Open All Hours" it was only a half hour burst of comedy over a very quiet Boxing Night. Once the series faced the glare of the real competition it may not stand up. "The Royal Bodyguard" viewers vanished almost instantly. I wonder how many would be left at the end of "Still Open All Hours" by episode 6 and a poor script by Roy Clarke. I haven't watched it yet but dont see how this could be brought back very easily.”

The difference is that almost everybody declared Royal Bodyguard a turkey after the first episode - certainly not the same with SOAH. There was certainly enough set up in the episode to easily bring it back including some things that could be running jokes and recurring characters and themes. Whether Roy Clarke can pull off a complete series is another matter.
Dancc
27-12-2013
First review of new SyFy drama Helix, to be shown here on Channel 5, seems very positive:

http://io9.com/first-impressions-hel...yea-1480372505

This could be a hit I think. I'm really excited about this one now.
yorkie100
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Dancc:
“First review of new SyFy drama Helix, to be shown here on Channel 5, seems very positive:

http://io9.com/first-impressions-hel...yea-1480372505

This could be a hit I think. I'm really excited about this one now.”

Do we know when it starts yet?
dan2008
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Rowan Hedge:
“Good post.

You are correct that one story damaged the brand so much that I personally had enough of waiting around for improvement decided to quit the show, sad to say but I'm not returning as a viewer as too much time has past and I broke the habit but if it is improving then good because its payback for viewer loyalty for those that stuck with it.

I wish EE a good successfull 2014.”

Like everything it's going to take some time to gain viewers back.
Jan,Feb and March there is a lot of big storylines coming up featuring new and old Characters.

There is some new sets and little changes to come but DTC has re-built long running characters.

Carol and Dot both have big storylines
The beales have been re-built and have a massive storyline that runs from Easter to the 30th.

Sharon tonight was much like that older character we knew in the 80's/90's and upto 2006.

Like everything it takes time but viewers will return when they see the show has changed.
dan2008
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Rowan Hedge:
“Hi Dan Merry Christmas.

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And you. Hope you had a good one
Iqbal_M
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Jonwo:
“Doctor Who has really grown on BBC America, it has tripled its audience on the channel within a few years. BBC Worldwide IIRC didn't want it to go to BBC America as they wanted a channel like Syfy to air it, Syfy aired the first four series with BBC America repeating it but BBC America eventually got first run rights.”

I wasn't aware of that, why was that the case? Because, surely BBC WW would realise if they air DW on a channel they own they could accrue maximum profit.
Dancc
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by yorkie100:
“Do we know when it starts yet?”

Not yet. A long wait until January 8th before that will be confirmed due to the way the holidays fell.

Two days later it will premiere in the US and we'll get a first proper indication of how shrewd an acquistion it might be but my gut is telling me they've done well here.
Pizzatheaction
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Roscoe Barnes:
“Emmerdale did badly. And with the fire episode it should have done much better. They're better off not doing anything special because it would have still got that rating fire or no fire I would have thought. Should have held it back until NY. EE”

They need to stop with all the explosions and fires. How many have they had in the last six or seven years? It's ridiculous.
SamuelW
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Score:
“Vicious is due back next Autumn too so I think they'll probably have a new comedy at 9pm one night into Vicious at 9.30pm.”

Is Vicious due back on screen next Autumn or filming next Autumn? SRO Audiences suggest the latter:
Quote:
“This show will take place in autumn 2014
http://www.sroaudiences.com/applicat...p?show_id=1212”

Stephen_Simpson
27-12-2013
Does anyone have any consolidated ratings? Can't find any anywhere. Be nice to have some Live+2 ratings or Live+3 Ratings if some are released tomorrow.
Legend16
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Stephen_Simpson:
“Does anyone have any consolidated ratings? Can't find any anywhere. Be nice to have some Live+2 ratings or Live+3 Ratings if some are released tomorrow.”

I think we'll have to wait for the official Live +7 figure.
Pizzatheaction
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by Bushmills:
“Careful....didn't The Royal Bodyguard record a similar figure to Still Open All Hours when it launched over the Xmas holiday?

Seeing as SOAH was about as funny as TRB, I reckon the ratings for a full series would suffer a similar downward trajectory.”

It was much better than Bodyguard. That said, the scripts for Bodyguard were decent enough, but the direction made most of the physical humour fall flat.
xeo
27-12-2013
Thought Vicious was great tonight, so much better than I remembered. Glad ITV are sticking with it.
Legend16
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by xeo:
“Thought Vicious was great tonight, so much better than I remembered. Glad ITV are sticking with it.”

Agreed. What rating do you think it'll get?
ThinkingLucky
27-12-2013
Originally Posted by xeo:
“Thought Vicious was great tonight, so much better than I remembered. Glad ITV are sticking with it.”

Agreed, it is a great little sitcom! I hope it gets decent ratings tomorrow!
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