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The Ratings Thread (Part 3 (3))
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hopeandfaith06
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“SUNDAY

ITV1
6.55pm Dancing On Ice 9.2m (37%)
8.15pm Wild At Heart 7.7m (29%)
9.15pm Dancing On Ice: The Skate Off 7.9m (31%)
10.00pm Piers Morgan’s Life Stories: Sheila Hancock 4.2m (23%)

BBC1
2.30pm - 5pm Rugby: England vs France 4.4m (37%)
Match: 4.9m (39%) between 3pm and 4.45pm (although the match actually finished at 4.58pm!!)

8pm Lark Rise to Candleford 5.8m (21.6%)
9pm The No. 1 Ladies' Detective Agency 5.2m (20.4%)

BBC2
8pm Yellowstone 3.8m (14.1%)
9pm Monty Halls' Great Escape 2.6m (9.9%)

Channel 4
8pm Come Dine with Me 2.1m (7.8%)
9pm Peter Kay: Raider of the Pop Charts 2.2m (8.7%)

Five
5.35pm Superman 1m (4.8%)
8.15pm Talladega Nights: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby 748,000 (3%)

- excellent for Yellowstone & good news from Janice Hadlow that she intends to give BBC2 some more intelligent programming. BBC2 has lost its way in recent years & needs a proper purpose again
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...-janice-hadlow”

Thanks for these

DOI started at 7:15 though, but don't worry about it.
BBC held up well against ITV.
Piers Morgan is still holding up well. When it first started i wasn't sure how it would do, but its quite an interesting format and seems to be working in its timeslot.

Wild at Heart still doing excellent and i'm sure ITV will renew it, i heard they were going to anyway.
That was the last episode wasn't it? Lewis starts next sunday if i'm correct?
I can't remember how Lewis normally does, but i think it does well.
rzt
16-03-2009
Barb TV ratings system to change
Quote:
“Television overnights – the daily ratings figures that land on the desk of anxious channel controllers every morning – are not what they used to be. The multi-platform, timeshifted digital world means the percentage of programme's audience that watches it the first time it appears on the small screen is in rapid decline.

Take the Hollywood star Will Smith. When his film Wild Wild West premiered on Sky Movies in 2001, 92% of the audience watched it live and 8% saw it in the following seven days on their video cassette recorder (VCR). Smith's more recent offering, The Pursuit of Happyness, had only 25% of its total audience watching its debut live on Sky Movies Premiere last year. Almost as many people (24%) saw it via Sky's personal video recorder (PVR), Sky+ and the on-demand service Sky Anytime. In addition, viewers could watch via Sky Movies Premiere+1 or a number of narrative repeats on the two channels over the next seven days.

Overnight audience figures - provided by the Broadcasters' Audience Research Board (Barb) – comprise live viewing and recorded programmes watched on the same day as the original transmission. Consolidated audience figures, which include all viewers who watched a programme on PVR, VCR or recordable DVD, are released a week later. Viewing outside this seven-day period is not counted.

Timeshifting is booming. Of the 119.000 people who watched episode one of FX's Generation Kill, only 44,000 watched it live. Other FX shows, including Dexter and The Wire, are also heavily timeshiftted.

This increase in timeshifted viewing has coincided with the growth of PVRs. In January 2007 just 4.3 million people lived in homes with a PVR, according to BBC figures. Today it is 17 million.

FX was the eighth most timeshifted channel in Sky+ homes in the first three months of the year, accounting for 29% of all viewing. Sky Movies Premiere was top (37% timeshifted), followed by BBC4 (35%) and Channel Five (34%).

Drama was, by far, the most popular timeshifted genre, with only 63% of series and 68% of soaps viewed live in the first two months of 2009, according to Sky's figures. The number of people who watched the first screening of the opening episode of the fifth series of Sky 1's Lost - 608,000 – was eclipsed by the 647,000 who chose to record it on Sky+. With repeats and on-demand included, its total audience reached 1.57 million.

But even Barb's consolidated "gold standard" figures do not include on-demand services such as Sky Anytime, online services such as the BBC's iPlayer or Channel 4's 4OD, MP3 players or mobile phones. The iPlayer has had 350m programme requests since the end of 2007, and has an average of more than 500,000 users making more than 1.2m requests to stream and download each day.

The new Barb service, which begins next year, will include the capacity to report audiences for on-demand material which has not been broadcast live within the previous seven days. Soon the BBC will also publish expanded monthly consolidated audience data, including content viewed on PVRs and the iPlayer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009...dience-figures”

Some interesting figures there- didn't realise that some shows had such a high PVR audience. Good to see BARB adapting its system to suit changing viewing habits.
Chris1964
16-03-2009
BBC1 has done very well to maintain a decent share on Sunday primetime so far this year, especially from 8 to 10.There is obviously a sizeable chunk of people not turned on by DOI and the beeb has provided a creditable alternative.
PJMillar
16-03-2009
2008 (7:30pm-8:30pm; 8:00pm-9:00pm)
1. 8.1m (31%) - January 20
2. 7.7m (30%) - January 27
3. 7.7m (29%) - February 3
4. 7.3m (28%) - February 10
5. 7.5m (29%) - February 17
6. 7.6m (29%) - February 24
7. 8.3m (33%) - March 2 (PEAK)
8. 8.1m (30%) - March 9
AVERAGES
*. 7.8m 30%
2009 (8:30pm-9:30pm; 8:15pm-9:15pm)
1. 7.1m (27%) - January 11
2. 7.2m (27%) - January 18
3. 6.8m (26%) - January 25
4. 7.7m (29%) - February 1
5. 7m (26%) - February 8
6. 7.6m (28%) - February 15
7. 7.6m (28%) - February 22
8. 7.6m (29%) - March 1
9. 8m (30%) - March 8 (PEAK)
10. 7.7m (29%) - March 15
AVERAGES
*. 7.4m 28%

Notes:-

- Last year, we had an episode of Heartbeat sandwiched between the opening week of Dancing on Ice. It averaged 7.7 million viewers and a 31% share. Its official average was around 8.6 million viewers & it's amazing to think the show has recently been axed.

- It is interesting that, in both series, Wild at Heart has peaked (in viewing figures & share) in its second to last episode.

- Despite the fact Wild at Heart has dropped off in 2009, it's been airing for two episodes longer as well as the fact it's slot changed from 7:30pm-8:30pm to much later. This has an impact I feel, as it's a family show, and viewers aren't committed enough to watch it after 9pm.

For the next series, ITV will probably re-schedule it earlier again, knowing that it's share and average was higher in 2008.

If ITV move Dancing on Ice to weekdays, I wouldn't be surprised if Wild at Heart is given a longer run in a 7pm slot leading into two hour dramas on Sunday nights.
Woody_Enfield
16-03-2009
From RTZ's post:

"In January 2007 just 4.3 million people lived in homes with a PVR, according to BBC figures. Today it is 17 million."

That seems a huge jump in just two years.

As there are only 25 million households in the UK, it means that nearly all households have Sky+ or some other PVR.

Surely, that can't be right?
russellelly
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by Woody_Enfield:
“From RTZ's post:

"In January 2007 just 4.3 million people lived in homes with a PVR, according to BBC figures. Today it is 17 million."

That seems a huge jump in just two years.

As there are only 25 million households in the UK, it means that nearly all households have Sky+ or some other PVR.

Surely, that can't be right?”

Read the quote carefully. 17 million people live in homes with a PVR. Not 17 million homes have a PVR. So the 17million counts each PVR multiple times if multiple people reside in the household which the PVR does.

It's still a massive number, perhaps surprisingly so.
A Cillay
16-03-2009
Would have liked the No.1 Ladies Detective Agency to be higher but generally speaking some good figures for last night.
NorfolkBird
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by A Cillay:
“Would have liked the No.1 Ladies Detective Agency to be higher but generally speaking some good figures for last night. ”

Me too, it was an excellent programme. It was always going to struggle against DOI and I think next week it's up against a new series of Lewis which always pulls in great figures, so I'm expecting a drop in viewers, but hopefully not too many.
KennyT
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by russellelly:
“Read the quote carefully. 17 million people live in homes with a PVR. Not 17 million homes have a PVR. So the 17million counts each PVR multiple times if multiple people reside in the household which the PVR does.

It's still a massive number, perhaps surprisingly so.”

Yep, that's the way I read it. So, with an average of 2.4 people per household, that means about 7m homes with a PVR. Which is still pretty impressive growth!

K
craig-maclellan
16-03-2009
Good start for the No. 1 Ladies Detective Agency. I thought the pilot last year was brillant, but haven't got round to watching the first episode yet - it's waiting on the iPlayer til my essays are finished.

I'm guessing that it'll be dented by the final of Dancing on Ice next week and then the yawnsome Lewis as well.

Interesting to note though, there'll be no Lewis up here in Scotland. Next week at 9pm it's Scotland At The Movies, followed by Highlands special at 9pm. The week after it's a showing of the film Gregory's Girl 8pm-10pm.

I suppose this is Alan Clement stamping his authority all over the STV schedule. I'm guessing that Lewis didn't rate well in Scotland for them to drop it, but the only people I can see taking advantage of this is the other channels. The replacement for Lewis aren't exactly going to draw in the viewers.
scotch
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by craig-maclellan:
“Interesting to note though, there'll be no Lewis up here in Scotland. Next week at 9pm it's Scotland At The Movies, followed by Highlands special at 9pm. The week after it's a showing of the film Gregory's Girl 8pm-10pm.

I suppose this is Alan Clement stamping his authority all over the STV schedule. I'm guessing that Lewis didn't rate well in Scotland for them to drop it, but the only people I can see taking advantage of this is the other channels. The replacement for Lewis aren't exactly going to draw in the viewers.”



Oh dear, My Mum in Scotland will be livid that STV aren't showing Lewis.

At this rate I think she'll be getting Sky installed so she can watch ITV to see the rapidly increasing amount of programmes that STV are not showing
Georged123
16-03-2009
What will STV dropping Lewis do to it's over night ratings?
D.M.N.
16-03-2009
Good ratings last night. Expected a drop for PMLS.
C14E
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by PJMillar:
“For the next series, ITV will probably re-schedule it earlier again, knowing that it's share and average was higher in 2008.

If ITV move Dancing on Ice to weekdays, I wouldn't be surprised if Wild at Heart is given a longer run in a 7pm slot leading into two hour dramas on Sunday nights.”

I think Wild At Heart did fine. For a show with 7m+ viewers then I don't think 400,000 is a major change. Dancing on Ice is neck and neck with 2008 in the overnights, down by 60,000 but the skate off has improved from a poor start so I think the final average might be higher again.

I can't see why they would move DOI to a weeknight. Schofield said it wasn't moving as well.

Originally Posted by Georged123:
“What will STV dropping Lewis do to it's over night ratings?”

I'd guess it will reduce them. I think the overnights just add up the ratings for all the ITV regions. Presumably, STV's latest glorious offerings won't get the equivalent of what Lewis would have. But it won't make a huge difference because Scotland isn't exactly massive. Even if we assume that not one person watches the STV crap, the biggest difference it will make is under 10%.

The officials will be lower, though because I don't think they count any Scottish viewers?
GeorgeS
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by Georged123:
“What will STV dropping Lewis do to it's over night ratings?”

STV are a joke. Compared to UTV they have no clue how to run a national ITV franchise. This is just the last straw. Instead of a brand new quality drama they are showing 20 year old films. If I live in Scotland 993 would be my favourite number.
iaindb
16-03-2009
If STV don't want to show Lewis because it's set in the very English city of Oxford, will English ITV regions drop Taggart because it's set in the very Scottish city of Glasgow?

I expect there will be quite a lot of very annoyed viewers in the STV region. Way to get the audience on side, Alan Clement.

I can't believe Lewis rated particularly poorly in Scotland. It must be down to the amount of cash ITV are demanded from STV for it.
scotch
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by GeorgeS:
“STV are a joke. Compared to UTV they have no clue how to run a national ITV franchise. This is just the last straw. Instead of a brand new quality drama they are showing 20 year old films. If I live in Scotland 993 would be my favourite number.”

Agreed, they are a joke. This is the straw that broke the camels back for my Mum. She has been on the phone to Sky this afternoon to arrange installation, getting fitted this week. She can't wait to never have to watch STV again
ZoeMcCallister
16-03-2009
Great night for BBC2 and ITV1 last night-much better than expected for Yellowstone and Piers held up very well despite a less popular guest. This show is sure to return now and must be fairly cheap to make.

BBC1 held up well yet again, but it really was stupid scheduling to schedule No1 Ladies up against a similar drama and semi final of a popular entertainment show. It would have worked better in a Monday 9pm slot if it had to air now. I can't see it doing any better against established Lewis next week.

CH4 seem to have a solid Sunday night now and it should stay the same next week with Secret Millionaire and Chris Moyles' show. CH4's strategy of moving popular shows to the generally poor weekend schedule seems to be continuing with Secret Millionaire, following Kitchen Nightmares USA and CDWM which have made successful transitions.
smile371
16-03-2009
Does anyone know what Dancing on Ice achieved for its final last year?
iaindb
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by smile371:
“Does anyone know what Dancing on Ice achieved for its final last year?”

Overnights 11.65m, final rating 12.08m.
Only_You
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by smile371:
“Does anyone know what Dancing on Ice achieved for its final last year?”

(I think) it was 11.7m overnights.
C14E
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“If STV don't want to show Lewis because it's set in the very English city of Oxford, will English ITV regions drop Taggart because it's set in the very Scottish city of Glasgow?”

STV really aren't being particularly smart, are they? When ITV axed Rebus a while back, they made up the gap by ordering more Taggart. Now STV seem to be going out of their way to distance themselves from ITV which in times like these make it more likely that ITV would cancel Taggart which would be a huge blow to STV.
rzt
16-03-2009
I must have missed that rating for Yellowstone- fantastic for BBC2!
GeorgeS
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by iaindb:
“I can't believe Lewis rated particularly poorly in Scotland. It must be down to the amount of cash ITV are demanded from STV for it.”

Its funny how the only problems they pull are the ones that cost a lot of money. If they want to run a network on 29 year old films & repeats of cheap local programmes then its a very short term strategy.

Contrast this with UTV which is starting a 30 minute news bulletin at 10.30pm soon. If STV had any real interest in serving the locality better they would copy UTV. With the BBC refusing to do a full late night bulletin, STV could clean up. But that would cost money of course.
GeorgeS
16-03-2009
Originally Posted by rzt:
“I must have missed that rating for Yellowstone- fantastic for BBC2!”

yes an excellent performance for BBC2 in a tough slot.
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