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Was Matt Smith the worst ever Doctor?
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bokonon
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by MikaRimmer:
“To say he is the worse Doctor is wrong, you may not like him but he took over from David Tennant, that was never going to be easy, but it is his Doctor who managed to expand the show, just look at how well the show is doing here and in the US, he had the most difficult job taking over from such a hugely popular doctor, but he managed it, and that's something that should be commended, he doesn't deserve the criticism he gets, he is definitely not the worst Doctor in the general publics eye, maybe he is to some people, but he has more fans than haters.”

Yes, I am one of his fans- there was much more continuity with old Who in his performance than was evident in his two predecessors much as I liked them.

And what some (but not all) of his critics do not seem to understand is that the Doctor cannot be played in a naturalistic style- it has to be theatrical. And it always was theatrical...
davidjohn
05-01-2014
I liked him .not the worst dr that was sm & CB but he did not have good story's but dr who is always moving on
With different drs still a good show and will always be
Lii
05-01-2014
I thought it was generally accepted that the worst doctor ever was Harold Shipman. You really didn't want that chap as your Doctor.
IWasBored
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Shoppy:
“There is a certain warmth that Troughton put into the character that has been displayed by every subsequent Doctor (even the 6th at times)bar one...

I just didn't get that from Eccelston's Doctor at all.
He was the only Doctor except Hartnell not to have that quality and obviously Hartnell didn't actually have a working time machine so he can be forgiven for not putting something into the character that was bestowed on it by his successor...

So for me Eccleston is the worst Doctor, because there was something in his portrayal that said he didn't quite "get it"

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That's complete and utter nonsence, he fitted the PTSD perfectly and his performance has never been matched, ever, yet
Pob-Bundy
05-01-2014
He was a great Doctor when the damn show was actually on!!! I didn't like the hippy love in speech at the end of his last episode. He should've disapeared on the tower triumphantly regenerating.
solarpenguin
05-01-2014
The worst ever Doctor is always the current Doctor, no matter which one that just happens to be.

So, yes, Matt Smith was the worst ever Doctor, but he isn't any more. He's now become a much-loved, sadly-missed favourite Doctor, while Peter Capaldi becomes the new worst ever.
daveycrocket222
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by TLC1098:
“We haven't had one of these threads yet so I thought I would create one.
So was he the worst ever Doctor?”

No tennant was.
steven87gill
05-01-2014
Nonsense, Matt Smith is absolutely not the worst Doctor, he's done a great job under really difficult circumstances. We seem to go through this tedious 'wasn't the last one awful' phase every time.

Though I would argue that although Matt Smith's acting has noticeably improved since series 5, conversely the characterisation of 11 went a bit awry as time went on. For me, in series 6 & 7 he became far too kooky, caffeinated & Tennant-ish for my liking, all flailing arms and whatnot.

There was a subtlety, understatement & alien-ness in Smith's performance during series 5 that set him aside from Tennant. If we'd still had that 11 during the 50th, I think you could've had a real interesting contrast between 10 & 11 and you wouldn't have needed a 3rd man to stand apart from the two.

Like I say, I'm not slagging Smith off here, he's done a brilliant job considering he had to follow Tennant & considering how all over the place the production of Who has been since 2010.

Plus, he got the hostile 10 & Rose fangurlz on his side, I think that feat alone deserves a bloody medal!



I really do wish Smith well in the future.
The Slug
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by solarpenguin:
“The worst ever Doctor is always the current Doctor, no matter which one that just happens to be.

So, yes, Matt Smith was the worst ever Doctor, but he isn't any more. He's now become a much-loved, sadly-missed favourite Doctor, while Peter Capaldi becomes the new worst ever.”

Yes. This is a general rule of Doctor Who, which can be successfully applied to showrunner, companion, episode, sonic screwdriver and any other element.

Great insight!
The_Judge_
06-01-2014
Matt Smith was great

http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/weird-a...l-26-57611.htm
PrimalIce
06-01-2014
I liked him, thought he was closest to the classic Doctors so far in nu who.
Get Den Watts
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by PrimalIce:
“I liked him, thought he was closest to the classic Doctors so far in nu who.”

Definitely and vastly superior to the overrated, lovesick gurner he replaced.
Ginger_Crawford
31-05-2014
Originally Posted by wowboy:
“Probably best he was far better then the dull cheesy David tenant. And CE has too little time to develop.

RTD is gone and thank god. Will you all just stop going on about the past and doctors that are long gone!!!”

Oh yeah, gotta love it that you can't bring up discussing Matt's failures anywhere without turning into a Tennant bash fest. Classic misdirection used when because Matt fans can't intelligently defend their position.

Just to clear things up the name is not tenant, it's Tennant.

I do think Matt was the worst. It has nothing to do with any other Doctor, it has to do with him playing the Doctor as Mork from Gallifrey and Moffat's sloppy writing. 11 was cold-hearted as well, leaving helpless people to die in Po3 and and considering the death of all the children on Gallifrey to be pointless. There are other examples as well. He was a coward who ran from death for hundreds of years, not once but twice. His relationship with River still creeps me out. Every time I see them together I think of him holding her as an infant knowing that one day he would put his penis inside that baby. I hated that he exposed himself to Clara without prior consent which is not just unethical but immoral. Thanks. Moffat, for bolstering rape-culture mentality and validating sexual abuse of women. 11 regenerating to 12 was the absolute worst regeneration ever. All that blathering out a soliloquy and then ATCHOO! Total fail. I like Matt as an actor very much. His Doctor? No. As a Whovian since the late '70s I have begun to fear a second Wilderness Years because of Moffat, 11 and River. I hope a new leaf has been turned with Capaldi, but it remains to be seen. Capaldi is a fine actor and a lifetime Whovian. Matt was not. I think it does make a difference and will with Capaldi as it did with Tennant and some others.
2shy2007
31-05-2014
I dont think there can be a worst ever Doctor, because fans will never agree to that. he was one of my least favourite Doctors though, it's a personal thing, I like 11th hour, but have no desire to watch any of his other episodes again,a combination of his acting skills and Moffats hit and very miss writing for him. That sis MY opinion though.

I am relieved that he has moved on and look forward to enjoying 12 immensely
grazey1985
31-05-2014
Best of the new doctors in my opinion. In my top 5.
Collins1965
31-05-2014
I don't think he was the worst, I think that belongs to McCoy. Neither was he the best, or anywhere near it imo. I hate this "now" culture that always votes for the current Doctor as the best ever, it is so immature. Time is a great leveller which is why Tom Baker inevitably comes up trumps in these polls.

When the dust settles I don't think Matt Smith will be seen as anything special. Both Tennant and Eccelston were far superior imo and it remains to be seen what Capaldi will bring to the table.
donovan5
31-05-2014
Top 3 for me not quite as good as 10 but better than 9.
And no where near as bad as poor old Colin Baker who had to put up with a writer suddenly getting the brainwave of turning the Doctor into a complete dick
little-monster
31-05-2014
Found his acting quite poor to be honest, compared to Eccleston and Tennant
Also found him poor in other roles. In general, i find him a poor actor
Baffled how out of all the doctors, he was the one who got a bafta

Peter Capaldi is a great actor who can do comedy and drama, so i have a lot of hopes for him to be brilliant
Olls~
31-05-2014
I adored Matt as the Doctor & I'll miss him. I think I'm going to love Peter aswell though. I hope so anyway.
Shawn_Lunn
31-05-2014
No, but he was definitely one of the best Doctors we've ever had.
Michael_Eve
31-05-2014
I prefer the term 'least favourite' as I've never disliked an actor in the role.

Semantics aside, and these things do tend to be in a state of flux, Matt is currently top of the tree for me, residing in my top Five with Peter D, Tom B, Hartnell and Troughton.

So that's a "no" then.
Benjamin Sisko
31-05-2014
Originally Posted by Ginger_Crawford:
“Oh yeah, gotta love it that you can't bring up discussing Matt's failures anywhere without turning into a Tennant bash fest. Classic misdirection used when because Matt fans can't intelligently defend their position.

Just to clear things up the name is not tenant, it's Tennant.

I do think Matt was the worst. It has nothing to do with any other Doctor, it has to do with him playing the Doctor as Mork from Gallifrey and Moffat's sloppy writing. 11 was cold-hearted as well, leaving helpless people to die in Po3 and and considering the death of all the children on Gallifrey to be pointless. There are other examples as well. He was a coward who ran from death for hundreds of years, not once but twice. His relationship with River still creeps me out. Every time I see them together I think of him holding her as an infant knowing that one day he would put his penis inside that baby. I hated that he exposed himself to Clara without prior consent which is not just unethical but immoral. Thanks. Moffat, for bolstering rape-culture mentality and validating sexual abuse of women. 11 regenerating to 12 was the absolute worst regeneration ever. All that blathering out a soliloquy and then ATCHOO! Total fail. I like Matt as an actor very much. His Doctor? No. As a Whovian since the late '70s I have begun to fear a second Wilderness Years because of Moffat, 11 and River. I hope a new leaf has been turned with Capaldi, but it remains to be seen. Capaldi is a fine actor and a lifetime Whovian. Matt was not. I think it does make a difference and will with Capaldi as it did with Tennant and some others.”

Of all the points that are just outright wrong in this, I don't see how any one in their right mind can actually put any regeneration below Sylvester McCoy playing Colin Baker regenerating into Sylvester McCoy. The concept and execution of THAT regeneration was pathetic. Old age and sneeze regeneration over concussion and unconvincing regeneration any day.

Oh and the Doctor is an alien, he isn't bound by ethics and morals of normal humans, nor will he ever adapt. I hated the scene where he was naked in front of Clara, but from a story point of view (loosely) it (very loosely) made sense.

Also, I'd really like to see you back up your statement of Moffat bolstering Rape-Culture and sexual abuse, because that is utter rubbish, and there are far more arguments against that then there are for that. For one thing, mainstream portrayal of a lesbian mixed species relationship accomplished without being glamourised and abused at all.

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As an aside, Matt came second only to Tom Baker in the DWM poll, so from a statistical point of view, he is nowhere near the worst.
Sawyl Gwilym
31-05-2014
No way was Matt Smith the worst Doctor. I don't personally believe that there have and bad Doctors. Each have had their good and bad stories and character traits. My least favourite Doctor was Colin Baker, but he grew on me with repeated viewings and was never really given a chance to develop. (The same goes for Sylvester McCoy, who I like more but who again wasn't given enough of an opportunity to develop fully).

By comparison, Matt Smith was a much more rounded and developed character and had very few stories that weren't very good.

For me, Matt Smith has the edge slightly over David Tennant as my favourite of the modern era Doctors, and Tom Baker is out and out my favourite original era Doctor.
spiney2
31-05-2014
..... i dont see how the scripts can get any worse ..... but maybe the franchise needs rescuing ...... send for Sam Mendes ...........
davrosdodebird
31-05-2014
Originally Posted by Ginger_Crawford:
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1) 11 was cold-hearted as well, leaving helpless people to die in Po3 and and considering the death of all the children on Gallifrey to be pointless.

2) There are other examples as well. He was a coward who ran from death for hundreds of years, not once but twice.

3) His relationship with River still creeps me out. Every time I see them together I think of him holding her as an infant knowing that one day he would put his penis inside that baby.

4) I hated that he exposed himself to Clara without prior consent which is not just unethical but immoral. Thanks. Moffat, for bolstering rape-culture mentality and validating sexual abuse of women.

5) 11 regenerating to 12 was the absolute worst regeneration ever. All that blathering out a soliloquy and then ATCHOO! Total fail.

I like Matt as an actor very much. His Doctor? No. As a Whovian since the late '70s I have begun to fear a second Wilderness Years because of Moffat, 11 and River. I hope a new leaf has been turned with Capaldi, but it remains to be seen. Capaldi is a fine actor and a lifetime Whovian.

Matt was not. I think it does make a difference and will with Capaldi as it did with Tennant and some others.”

1) There was nothing to be done about the people in the Power of Three, who IIRC miraculously didnt die anyway. I think you seriously misunderstood what 11 said in day of the doctor. War asked if he'd counted how many children died on Gallifrey that day. He said "Tell me, what would be the point?" - as in "what would be the point going over and over and over this again and again and again in my head." And as you have put it, yes their deaths were pointless, they were a part of a mindless slaughter that was basically the whole Time War. The whole Time War itself, was basically a pointless mindless slaughter. The War Doctor saw this and decided to end it, He saw no point in revisiting the Time War in his mind. After 400 years he'd decided that there was nothing to be done about it, it happened and that was all there was to it. And even then 11 proved that this attitude of his was all a façade when he decided to save them, saying "I've been thinking about it for centuries!"

2) And stroppy cry-baby Tennant didn't run from his well deserved death when he tried being the God of time, the Time Lord Victorius? He too ran from his own death so 11 isn't alone there.

3) Since when did he and River have sex? just because they kissed, were "in love" etc? On that basis you could say Tennant bedded Rose, Reinette, and Queen Elizebeth 1st (because of his remarks in The End of Time)! You have basically made this up in your head and decided that it MUST be true!!

4) The exposing (I assume you mean The Time of the Doctor) wasn't done with sexual intent, rendering your point invalid. Matt's Doctor has been so inept at the humany-wumany things which made Tennant such a squeeing fangirl magnet that I don't really see what your problem is here. For all you know the Doctor had been using the hologram clothes for a long period of time before he went back for Clara again, he didn't exactly roll up and say "Hey Clara, like what you see? It's all yours baby!" You are trying to stir up trouble and create a problem where none exists.

5) Each regeneration is different, by and large. Matt had his huge explosion in the tower, resetting his regeneration cycle. All that needed to be done was for 11 to transfer from his old regen cycle to the new one. Atchoo. Transfer accomplished.
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