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Was Matt Smith the worst ever Doctor?
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Benjamin Sisko
31-05-2014
Originally Posted by spiney2:
“..... i dont see how the scripts can get any worse ..... but maybe the franchise needs rescuing ...... send for Sam Mendes ...........”

The only sign of when the scripts get "worse" is when fandom stops being divided and becomes unanimous in the view that the scripts are bad. And that hasn't happened. Heck the only time the show's come close to that was Season 24. *shudder*
Wryip
31-05-2014
Whilst I wouldn't say he's the worst doctor, I think in years to come he won't be looked on in the same light as Christopher Ecclestone and David Tennant. Following Tennant who was extremely popular was always going to be a hard task, and by being a young quirky doctor similar to 10 Matt Smith was not a big enough change, and for that reason will always be viewed in light of being not as good as Tennant (whereas Capaldi being older will immediately be seen in a different light). The other problem with Matt Smith other than comparisons with Tennant was the weakness of Series 6 in particular its story arc and patchiness of Series 7. Had seasons 22-26 been of better quality perhaps CB and SM would be better viewed today.

FWIW in terms of acting and the character I preferred Matt Smith to Tennant, but Tennant managed to be far more popular in terms of the public, and also benefitted from much better stories and series.
Mr Seta
31-05-2014
Really? Is this a serious question?

To have a valid opinion, anybody who answers "yes, he was the worst Doctor ever", then must have seen at least some episodes of each of the 11 Doctors (sorry I don't count Hurt, in case I'm hauled up over this).

So that means anybody who answered "yes" thinks both Colin Baker & Sylvester McCoy were better at playing the Doctor..

Um, yeah, okay. I bet there's a lot of fans out there who go along with that.

The question should be the more obvious: "Was Matt Smith the best Doctor ever?"

But maybe that's too boring & been done to death -?

If that was the question I'd answer: "if not a yes, then not too far off it" -he was brilliant
Kapellmeister
31-05-2014
Originally Posted by TLC1098:
“We haven't had one of these threads yet so I thought I would create one.
So was he the worst ever Doctor?”

No, the worst Doctor was McCoy closely followed by Ecclescake.

The best, of course, are Troughton, Pertwee and the incomparable Tom Baker.
daveycrocket222
01-06-2014
I wouldnt say he was badly cast it was just terrible writers!

Yes Colin Baker was a better Doctor! He had something Matt lacked.
alwatson
01-06-2014
I think Matt was a brilliant Doctor, just let down by some bad scripts, and that was only in the later seasons. His first two seasons blew me away.
krikkiter68
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by Nimonic Seed:
“Well said.

As the Brigadier once put it: "Splendid chaps. All of them!"

So far as Matt Smith is concerned I very definitely fall into the camp of liking his portrayal but feeling he was often let down by the poor quality of his scripts (a bit like Sylvester McCoy really).

As an aside, did Matt Smith's Doctor remind anyone else of Captain Jack Sparrow when he did his twirling on the spot movements with his arms up by his sides?”

I totally agree. When his character was allowed to stop goofing around and calm down he was excellent. He was great in The Day of the Doctor and The Doctor's Wife IMO.
Sara_Peplow
01-06-2014
All doctors have good bits and bad bits every series has the odd dodge episode or moment. Overall he was good. Only think was how long it too him to trust his own wife. What part of her sacrificing herself to save 10 did he not get. However after that it was better . 11 loved all his freinds.
Face Of Jack
01-06-2014
'Can of Worms' question this isn't it.
I would place David Tennant as above Matt - but Pat Troughton beats David in my eyes!
Jesse Pinkman
01-06-2014
Of the new lot, yes, yes, yes he was.

I only hope that the new one can save the show for adults, but with the same moronic producer in place, sadly, I think all is lost.
Michael_Eve
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by Jesse Pinkman:
“Of the new lot, yes, yes, yes he was.

I only hope that the new one can save the show for adults, but with the same moronic producer in place, sadly, I think all is lost.”

Bit harsh. Brian Minchin's only done one story...and he seems really intelligent from what I've read.
Mulett
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by Jesse Pinkman:
“Of the new lot, yes, yes, yes he was. I only hope that the new one can save the show for adults, but with the same moronic producer in place, sadly, I think all is lost.”

Brian Minchin has been brought in as the new Executive Producer, alongside Steven Moffat. He's one of RTD's 'people' and (I think) was brought in to play a significant role in getting the show back on track.

Personally, I think having Brian in post will bring a significant and noticeable change in style and direction for the show, more so than simply having a new Doctor.

I think this is one of the reasons Matt's finale was used to tie up pretty much every loose end from his tenure. It has given the 12th Doctor and Clara and clean slate.

I don't personally agree that Matt was the worst Doctor, though. I'm quite fond of the 11th Doctor all in all. I just don't think (for me anyway) that the writing has been as good since 2010.
daveycrocket222
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by alwatson:
“I think Matt was a brilliant Doctor, just let down by some bad scripts, and that was only in the later seasons. His first two seasons blew me away.”

I liked series 1. Just hated how they ruined the end in the series finale.

Crying to bring him back was a bit far fetched.
adams66
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by daveycrocket222:
“I liked series 1. Just hated how they ruined the end in the series finale.

Crying to bring him back was a bit far fetched.”

In a series featuring a body changing almost immortal alien, who travels the Universe in a blue box, bigger on the inside, capable of time travel etc etc.
And you think that bit was far-fetched?
daveycrocket222
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by adams66:
“In a series featuring a body changing almost immortal alien, who travels the Universe in a blue box, bigger on the inside, capable of time travel etc etc.
And you think that bit was far-fetched? ”

Yes because all Amy did was cry. It was as bad as rings singing to kill a huge entity.

Surely they could have come up with a better solution than that.

Plenty of stories have done the tardis dematerialing at the moment of impact and would have come off better.
adams66
01-06-2014
Originally Posted by daveycrocket222:
“Yes because all Amy did was cry. It was as bad as rings singing to kill a huge entity.

Surely they could have come up with a better solution than that.

Plenty of stories have done the tardis dematerialing at the moment of impact and would have come off better.”

Again, why is that any more far-fetched than anything else in Doctor Who?
I thought that The Rings Of Akhaten, whilst not the best realised story, was at least original and tried hard to show an believable alien culture.
Luner13
01-06-2014
I could never take to Matt Smith's portrayal of the Doctor.

When he regenerated I was one happy Whovian.
daveycrocket222
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Again, why is that any more far-fetched than anything else in Doctor Who?
I thought that The Rings Of Akhaten, whilst not the best realised story, was at least original and tried hard to show an believable alien culture.”

It was terrible! The start of it was good but time it got to the end it failed to deliver.

The sacrifice from the doctor is a bit odd as he never seemed to do that in the past eras and suddenly this girl can kill the enemy through singing FFS!
Simon_Foston
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by daveycrocket222:
“It was terrible! The start of it was good but time it got to the end it failed to deliver.

The sacrifice from the doctor is a bit odd as he never seemed to do that in the past eras and suddenly this girl can kill the enemy through singing FFS!”

Except that's not actually what happened. The singing didn't do a whole lot of good.
sebbie3000
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by daveycrocket222:
“It was terrible! The start of it was good but time it got to the end it failed to deliver.

The sacrifice from the doctor is a bit odd as he never seemed to do that in the past eras and suddenly this girl can kill the enemy through singing FFS!”

Clearly, as you didn't like it, you didn't watch it properly. Not at all what happened.
Jesse Pinkman
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by little-monster:
“Found his acting quite poor to be honest, compared to Eccleston and Tennant
Also found him poor in other roles. In general, i find him a poor actor
Baffled how out of all the doctors, he was the one who got a bafta

Peter Capaldi is a great actor who can do comedy and drama, so i have a lot of hopes for him to be brilliant”

Yes that about sums it up. Out of the 4 you mentioned there are 3 actors and Matt Smith.

The Eccleston and Tennant eras are sadly missed. That was back when it was just bloody good drama almost to the point where you could forget it was Dr Who. It could stand on its own as good TV drama for all.

Let's hope we can get back to greatness of Bad Wolf and Family of Blood and Father's Day - Drama so good it had grown men open mouthed and crying.
adams66
02-06-2014
Was Matt Smith the worst Doctor?

Nope.

Is this a dopey thread aimed solely at provoking arguments and anger?

Yep.
adams66
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by daveycrocket222:
“It was terrible! The start of it was good but time it got to the end it failed to deliver.

The sacrifice from the doctor is a bit odd as he never seemed to do that in the past eras and suddenly this girl can kill the enemy through singing FFS!”

Past Doctors never sacrificed themselves to save the day?

Really? How about all of the regeneration stories for a start, then take a look at almost ever other story where the Doctor invariably does something to save the day by putting himself on the line, especially if it involves saving his companion. Surely it would be easier to find a story where the Doctor isn't prepared to make some sort of sacrifice to save the situation. He's always doing this.

And, although it's been a while since I watched Akhaten, I don't think that the singing killed the enemy anyway. The singing, as far as I recall, was part of a big ceremony to keep the sleeping 'God' asleep. Singing is frequently part of religious and other ceremonies and seemed perfectly in keeping with the backstory of this world and its people.
Jesse Pinkman
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by adams66:
“Was Matt Smith the worst Doctor?

Nope.

Is this a dopey thread aimed solely at provoking arguments and anger?

Yep.”

It's a valid question with many agreeing. Would it only in fact be Matt's die hards who would be experiencing anger and arguing?
Benjamin Sisko
02-06-2014
Originally Posted by Jesse Pinkman:
“It's a valid question with many agreeing. Would it only in fact be Matt's die hards who would be experiencing anger and arguing?”

Many may be agreeing, but there are a metric ton more disagreeing in all forms is social media. National polls, the YouGov poll... Matt's a firm no. 3 to David Tennant and Tom Baker. That's 3 out of 11 (excluding Capaldi). Certainly not the worst, and definite, undeniable proof that Matt has been GENERALLY very well received as the Doctor. And that IS a fact.
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