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Julie_Evans
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by retrovertigo:
“Yeah but my point still stands. She makes ill advised comments and it bites her in the ass. Sylvain and Samia shag around and its all a bit endearing and a joke on the show - and no back lash for them at all? Seems wrong to me (if indeed it is the reason she really was voted off)”


I think there was a fair bit of backlash last year, when the affair first happened. But it's a year on, so why drag it up? It made for very uncomfortable viewing, and Jorgie paid the price by leaving the show.

If we're going to judge skaters by their moral standards, and I personally don't think we should, Gareth Gates and David Seaman have both had affairs.
johartuk
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by retrovertigo:
“Yeah but my point still stands. She makes ill advised comments and it bites her in the ass. Sylvain and Samia shag around and its all a bit endearing and a joke on the show - and no back lash for them at all? Seems wrong to me (if indeed it is the reason she really was voted off)”

Perhaps because whatever Sylvian and Samia got up to, it wasn't on the show or in the VTs. Jorgie's comments were, and she came across badly as a result.
Marcusjll
05-01-2014
I personally think the VT would have had a big impact on her votes
bornfree
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Marcusjll:
“I personally think the VT would have had a big impact on her votes”

It could have a big impact on her future career if she is not care. And that would be such a shame. I was so looking forward to them both being on DOI, they made a good couple. Her friends need to lay of tweeter. She keep a low profile for a while IMO.
Reserved
05-01-2014
How do people know that she was voted off because of her VT? I thought it was hilarious, and the Dancing on Ice audience could be heard laughing along with it.

Isn't it more likely that she just isn't as popular as the others? Yes, she got to the runner up spot in her series, but she didn't exactly dominate the votes in her series - she struggled considering how good she was from the rest of 'em, so when she comes up against people who are just as good a skater as she is, but also have the public on side, she was always going to struggle. Hayley topped the votes every week in her series (I think), whilst Jorgie struggled to get 10% despite being one to beat. Who's more popular? It isn't hard to work out.

When I saw who was skating this week, I knew Jorgie would be in trouble. I didn't think she'd be bottom, but definitely in the bottom three - and that was before any VT came out.
Ice Breaker
05-01-2014
I am gutted she is out. And I voted twice so don't say I should have voted for her! She was always my fave during her series and her routine was fantastic, 2nd on the leaderboard. If judges scores counted she may even not have been in the bottom 3. Looking at the voting stats for her series she was consistently 2nd in the public vote behind Matthew so she was obviously poplular. It is Sylvain that has ruined her chances ad Samia has come across as very jealous on twitter. She has referred to Jorgie as a burger. Not on.
Ignazio
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Ice Breaker:
“I am gutted she is out. And I voted twice so don't say I should have voted for her! She was always my fave during her series and her routine was fantastic, 2nd on the leaderboard. If judges scores counted she may even not have been in the bottom 3. Looking at the voting stats for her series she was consistently 2nd in the public vote behind Matthew so she was obviously poplular. It is Sylvain that has ruined her chances ad Samia has come across as very jealous on twitter. She has referred to Jorgie as a burger. Not on.”

Jorgie should have kept those rather large mouth firmly closed - had she done so neither Sylvain nor Samia could have had any influence on the voting.

Her spite toward Samia clearly backfired.
Reserved
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Ice Breaker:
“Looking at the voting stats for her series she was consistently 2nd in the public vote behind Matthew so she was obviously poplular.”

Rubbish.

Week 1: Second out of 6 - beaten by Andy.
Week 3: Second out of 13 - beaten by Matthew, but less than 6% between her and 9th place. Considering how good she was compared to everyone else, she should've been running away with the vote alongside Matthew.
Week 4: First out of 6. Dominated the vote, just as she deserved to.
Week 5: Third out of 11.
Week 6: Third out of 10. Only 8% between her and last place.
Week 7: Fifth out of 9.
Week 8: Third out of 7. Only 6% between her and last place.
Week 9: Fifth out of 6. Public vote alone, she would've been in the bottom two. Leaderboard saved her.
Week 10: First out of 5. This was the week where they really undermarked her for the ribbon routine. Clearly it was designed to drum up sympathy as her vote had disappeared and it worked.
Week 11: Third out of 4 - ends up in the skate off.

Jorgie was my favourite in that series, and is one of my all time favourites, but blaming the VT on her elimination isn't necessarily true. She was never that popular in her first series, despite being the best (or second best, if you liked Matthew). She was never going to survive against the likes of Ray and Hayley who, not only can they skate, but they are also massively popular, too.
ladygardener
05-01-2014
Quote:
“Isn't it more likely that she just isn't as popular as the others? Yes, she got to the runner up spot in her series, but she didn't exactly dominate the votes in her series - she struggled considering how good she was from the rest of 'em, so when she comes up against people who are just as good a skater as she is, but also have the public on side, she was always going to struggle. Hayley topped the votes every week in her series (I think), whilst Jorgie struggled to get 10% despite being one to beat. Who's more popular? It isn't hard to work out.”

I agree, most viewers would barely listen to the VT. The reason she is out is that she can't skate on her own. Being lifted by whichever partner she is with and being spun round is not going to get votes when everyone else, including Joe did quite a lot of skating. The viewers aren't going to be fooled by the bias of Robin and Karen, they know who to vote for and the more the judges (and all the papers over the last week) hyped her up the less likely she was to get many votes.

I'm glad she's gone, she can't skate and has an unpleasant personality.
Jim Kowalski
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“Rubbish.

Week 1: Second out of 6 - beaten by Andy.
Week 3: Second out of 13 - beaten by Matthew, but less than 6% between her and 9th place. Considering how good she was compared to everyone else, she should've been running away with the vote alongside Matthew.
Week 4: First out of 6. Dominated the vote, just as she deserved to.
Week 5: Third out of 11.
Week 6: Third out of 10. Only 8% between her and last place.
Week 7: Fifth out of 9.
Week 8: Third out of 7. Only 6% between her and last place.
Week 9: Fifth out of 6. Public vote alone, she would've been in the bottom two. Leaderboard saved her.
Week 10: First out of 5. This was the week where they really undermarked her for the ribbon routine. Clearly it was designed to drum up sympathy as her vote had disappeared and it worked.
Week 11: Third out of 4 - ends up in the skate off.

Jorgie was my favourite in that series, and is one of my all time favourites, but blaming the VT on her elimination isn't necessarily true. She was never that popular in her first series, despite being the best (or second best, if you liked Matthew). She was never going to survive against the likes of Ray and Hayley who, not only can they skate, but they are also massively popular, too.”

My favourite too,I still have vids of her routines on my old laptop,but,sadly,I agree with your analysis.
Tiger Rose
06-01-2014
The whole thing just looked awkward & uncomfortable to watch from the VT, Philip's interview right through to the end with Jorgie getting upset & Sylvain looking indifferent. I didn't find it in the least bit surprising they didn't get the votes.

A real shame though as on the ice she's good & certainly didn't deserve to go.
WhyHelloWorld
06-01-2014
She ruined it for herself, to be honest.

She didn't come across well in the VT and as soon as she said it I knew she was gone. There was always something I didn't like about her, so glad she's out.
thenetworkbabe
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Reserved:
“How do people know that she was voted off because of her VT? I thought it was hilarious, and the Dancing on Ice audience could be heard laughing along with it.

Isn't it more likely that she just isn't as popular as the others? Yes, she got to the runner up spot in her series, but she didn't exactly dominate the votes in her series - she struggled considering how good she was from the rest of 'em, so when she comes up against people who are just as good a skater as she is, but also have the public on side, she was always going to struggle. Hayley topped the votes every week in her series (I think), whilst Jorgie struggled to get 10% despite being one to beat. Who's more popular? It isn't hard to work out.

When I saw who was skating this week, I knew Jorgie would be in trouble. I didn't think she'd be bottom, but definitely in the bottom three - and that was before any VT came out.”

Hayley comes from ITV shows - in the same time slots. She's also, like Suzanne, and Ray and Gareth done well on/won an ITV singing show with votes to win. Matthew won Jorgie's series because he came from Emmerdale, and had Robin marking Jorgie as a male and hyping Mathews technique every week. Jorgie comes from a smaller channel, most ITV early evening viewers won't know Jorgie. She's also a bit young to appeal to an older electorate. If they put a negative VT like that out , its precisely the young vote elebrity magazine reading vote that might support her, that will worry about that sort of issue.

I don't think you can assume voters will understand irony, or whats acted and whats real, or whats intended to be funny, or when something is clearly scripted and filmed to make a story up. You just have to watch some other reality shows and their early voting to see that the viewers often just don't understand anything much.

You are right she was going to be at risk. I think Gareth may have a personal fanbase which kept him safe . Hayley has one too. Joe's vote was contained, but the joke act was likely to get some vote. Bonnie was the one at most obvious risk on past voting, and may have attracted some votes for that. Jorgie looked more safe, and, as people voting on the skating had 4 people on equal or better marks to vote for, there's no way everyone of them would get a fair share.
09beyoncefan
06-01-2014
I don't know what happened I think the pairing was ridiculous though, they shouldn't have paired her with her good friend's ex for one. But I did think she'd be in danger, I thought of how she wasn't massively popular in the voting during her series and knew that it wouldn't be enough for her now By skating ability alone, I'd argue she's up there with the very best DOI has ever had and she's my favourite contestant of all time but alas
QuidditchBabe
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Christian Cage:
“I think her saying "Am I going to be his new girlfriend" lost her loads of votes.”

She was clearly joking. Good on her I say, for making a joke about it rather than causing a strop and refusing to do it. THAT would have been unprofessional. I think she did the best with a bad situation. It was Sylvian who came across as the one in the wrong to me, even in the VT he did not seem that interested in the practice and he hadn't showed up for one of the sessions.
supersnake
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by smurftc:
“I dont agree.. I think she sealed her fate with her VT, it was all her own doing.. nothing to do with Sylvain.”

True but then that was probably one comment out of so many other comments she made. It's the producers who had final say over that VTs content so they have actively chosen to exploit and screw her over!
thenetworkbabe
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by QuidditchBabe:
“She was clearly joking. Good on her I say, for making a joke about it rather than causing a strop and refusing to do it. THAT would have been unprofessional. I think she did the best with a bad situation. It was Sylvian who came across as the one in the wrong to me, even in the VT he did not seem that interested in the practice and he hadn't showed up for one of the sessions.”

Indeed, but many people voting won't be able to see the obvious, and others will invent what they are seeing. Its a hostage to fortune to say anything that isn't bland on TV. Even the ones who gush all over everyone in sight upset some. You have to look happy and friendly and say nothing much. Even then some folk will bizarrely think you are hiding something. What you can't do is show any split with your partner, any negativity, or get involved in any unsavoury issues even as an innocent party - lots of the people watching will have zero ability to understand whats happening and will just write you off. And if you see the production team lining you up for a drama, and asking you to play any role that could look negative, you need to say no, or get your agent to do it.
Serenity.
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by QuidditchBabe:
“She was clearly joking. Good on her I say, for making a joke about it rather than causing a strop and refusing to do it. THAT would have been unprofessional. I think she did the best with a bad situation. It was Sylvian who came across as the one in the wrong to me, even in the VT he did not seem that interested in the practice and he hadn't showed up for one of the sessions.”

I agree. I don't watch Hollyoaks, so am only vaguely aware of who she is, but I found the VT quite funny and thought she came across well. The producers had stitched her up - they were hoping for Jorgie and Sylvain to either hate each other or fall for each other. Jorgie made a few jokes about the situation, which clearly some viewers on here did not find funny, but I thought she handled it with humour. Sylvain looked completely mortified about the position they had been put in, didn't try to hide it, and I think he was relieved they were voted off.

Philip Schofield's "interview" with them after their skate was uncomfortable, unprofessional and showed what an utter twit he really is.
Fred E Star
06-01-2014
It was obvious she was joking but the tone of the whole clip was just off and left a negative vibe (man!).
Jennifer_F
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Tejas:
“I seem to be in the minority here as I like both Sylvain and Jorgie. Pairing them up for this was a new low for DOI I think - there was bound to be some awkwardness between them and the digs at Sylvain were totally out of order. How can they possibly expect us to take this seriously as a show to find the 'ultimate champion' when they screw over a talented skater like this!? It left a very nasty taste in my mouth. ”

I fully agree with this posting. They perhaps should never have been paired up in the first place, but Jorgie was incredibly naive by saying what she did on the VT. Assuming it was scripted, she should have refused to have said what she did. They never had a chance after that VT and DOI producers should be very ashamed of themselves, along with Scofield who overstepped the mark and was very unprofessional.
mojo5000
06-01-2014
I'm really surprised by the reaction to the VT on here - I thought it was hilarious.
Jennifer_F
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by mojo5000:
“I'm really surprised by the reaction to the VT on here - I thought it was hilarious.”

No accounting for taste I suppose.
CaroUK
06-01-2014
As soon as they showed her looking at the male pros photos with Jen, it was obvious that there was going to be an issue with Jorgie and Sylvain as a pairing.

Loyalty to your mate or not - she was being paid to do a job, and should have behaved professionally which she didn't!

Making stupid comments to the camera ( beware of trying to be funny on TV - not everyone shares your sense of humour), being a bit snide with your professional partner and being a touch over confident doesn't endear you to the type of viewer who actually pick up the phone to vote. Without the protection of her high place on the leaderboard, she was always going to be vulnerable on just a public vote...... And it says a lot that she was beaten in that by Joe, who most people actually realised that he was there for a bit of padding in the early weeks, and rightly he went too.

I happen to agree that Jorgie should have stayed longer ( Gareth should have gone with Joe - not her), but the way she behaved in the VT and the obvious dislike of having to work with Sylvain didn't do her any favours.

In contrast Sylvain behaved professionally all the way through..... No snide comments from him and a dignified silence in response to Schofield's stupid remarks post skate. I'm sure he's delighted to be out of it at the first stage.
gashead
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by mojo5000:
“I'm really surprised by the reaction to the VT on here - I thought it was hilarious.”

So did I, but equally I didn't think it was a wise thing to do. They were obviously deliberately paired in order to create, or at least fake, tension that the producers no doubt believed would see us, the viewer, keep them in week after week to see what happened, but I think they misunderstood their show and the viewers. DOI isn't Big Brother. It's not about creating tension, it's about creating trust between the skaters that will give them confidence to try 'edgy', exciting skating. Mention the situation once perhaps to acknowledge it, but three or four references is going OTT and doesn't give the impression that they'll skate well together, especially when the skater doesn't have the same right to put his side, as it were. I think that's what put people off her. Real shame, as she's super cute and fun to watch.
Cranfield
06-01-2014
It was all a very nasty little set-up by the Producers and it worked.

Its about the only thing being discussed from last night's show.

Reference an earlier post, just for the record, David Seaman left his wife and two children for Ms Poultney, lets see how the Producers handle that.
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