In the interests of closing the discussion, you did not send the messages (assumptions once again), and you are of course free to think, without having been privy to said messages, that I have brought any animosity upon myself.

Deleted - I'm done.

I don't regret saying it at all.

We saw what we saw and nothing more, we didn't see what wasn't shown, which could have been equally telling.

So was I several postings ago. It would appear we have some form of agreement. Goodnight.

Much too early for me.

Good evening then perhaps.

Well said.

You might regret it Paul, though hopefully I took all the flack on behalf of anyone who agrees.

At least your talking sense, people should be voting in dancing on ice as a dancing on ice competition rather than an entertainment show and who you like sort of thing. People should vote for the better skaters, gareth should have gone clearly along with joe, but its the casual voters that vote and not the die hard voters. It gets me annoyed why people have the voting patterns they do.

You are of course entitled to agree with anyone and everyone whose views concur with your own Paul. Just as I and others are allowed to express the opposite opinion without being told that such judgments have precious little evidence to support them.

Indeed the same can be said for the counter view. It is no more than assumption that there was more to see than we actually saw. It is possible, indeed some would claim very likely, but it is still conjecture.



You had a one on one disagreement with you and you seem to think that alone you deflected the slings and arrows of a mighty army. I'm flattered.

Here's another poetic analogy that might appeal to your feelings of courage in the face of the enemy.


Now award yourself a medal.

People pay to vote and should not be told by others how and why they should make their choice.

Some will vote on performance and ability - others on personality. Unless you're prepared to foot the phone bills to galvanise others into voting for your favourites it's not within your remit to dictate the rules.

Meanwhile, away from the playground and out in the real grown-up world...

I'm disappointed she's gone, for no other reason that the skating partner had a face like thunder with Schofield's sarky little digs. That was excellent entertainment in itself

Sadly this MUST be the reason. She finished a close runner up before. Not sure she was as good as those scores they gave her, but I certainly thought she would walk through.... EXCEPT for the nagging doubt that the controversy, and the pathetic pairing of jorgie with that bloke was asking for trouble, especially with the negative 'backstory'. DIDN'T HELP AT ALL!!

Probably...who was the big head who said she would be ok in the DO next week as long as she was up against Todd Carter...was it hearsay shaw??

It was Suzanne, who looks like she has put on some weight since her win.

Me too. She should not have gone in week one.

I liked her. It wasn't nice for them to make fun of Sylvain but I don't like how Samia is acting all outraged and innocent on Twitter, she's certainly no saint.

THE best female gone already...tragic.

I'm glad she has gone.

She was made out to be the amazing skater on here in her series and it was all OTT. She came across terribly on the show too. Public just didn't like HER.

I think it' s a shame all this happened, but there' s too much gone on, on and possibly off screen to apportion blame. Just sad that at least two people who took part in the show have left the last series on such a low note.

Deleted as double posting.

Ironically, one of the main problems with her was that she hardly ever said anything, she was very taciturn. She could not spontaneously improvise a reply to even very simple questions Philip put to her.

But now, in the new series, she apparently becomes more outspoken and look what happens !

Er, I just meant I hoped the subject was closed and neither he nor anybody else would get flak for agreeing with me.

She just wasn't popular enough, and that's it. Nowt to do with the backstage stuff.

There were only 7 of them and 2 (stupidly) had to go. It was unlikely to be Hayley, Ray or Kyran, so that means of the remaining 4 she had to be one of the 2 most popular which is a tall ask. Gareth had more fans, and Joe collected a few more votes to keep him off the bottom which was also understandable. She could easily have avoided the bottom and "just" been in the skate-off but that would have been unfair on Bonnie who also didn't deserve to go outright.

Her chances were slim from the very start.

In fairness the groups seem a bit unevenly split - only Gareth and Joe weren't contenders yesterday in terms of quality, but next week (unless they've developed) you have Todd, Gary and David as "filler" types, and Zaarah could be the weakest of the females potentially. We'll see!

But make no mistake, Jorgie's chances were worst than most before this began

Ah, now Paul I must respectfully differ a bit here though I appreciate your sentiments. : )

I don' t mind people voting on aspects of performance besides skating. But I do wonder how some assessments of personality are arrived at, and whilst some may be fair, others are IMO less so. Since you mention Gareth, I actually liked his routine, my wife learnt to skate some years back and we felt that there was more emphasis on the way the skating was presented than some others showed.