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Old 06-01-2014, 02:54
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Perhaps I am making presumptions. My only problem was the thought of her being able to splash out on whatever she liked, then go back to claiming benefits. I wasn't saying that's what she was going to do, but the idea of it is wrong, in my opinion. I'm just saying I hope she tries (whether or not her attempt fails) to use the money as an investment, rather than a spending-spree.
Why can't she spend it on what she likes? And why does this stop her from getting any benefits?

"Benefits" is a broad term, we don't know which she was receiving. Having a lump sum of cash doesn't discount you from all financial aid. As I said before, one lump of cash is not an income, it won't last forever. She never said she planned on wasting it, her speech was about her earning her own money so her attitude points to the opposite.

She already said in the episode that she hoped CBB was a positive start to the New Year and she could start again after coming off benefits, insinuating that after falling on hard times with cancer and sick relatives that she was now ready to return to earning her own money and having a fresh start.

I fail to see any negatives to this. But I've also seen your posts in the other thread so it seems you have some irrational dislike of this woman and are now jumping on anything to paint her in a bad light even if it means taking one seed of information and twisting your own warped presumptions and lies.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:56
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the money from CBB could well be used to pay off debts she's accumulated that led to her claiming in the first place - she's worked for it, so she can also spend how she sees fit and hopefully wisely after CBB.

- The woman's in the house, earning, not claiming benefits, so why the issue with her in particular ? A lot of actors, soap stars, singers do make a lot of money, then declare themselves bankrupt and end up on benefits as they've blown the lot - I think Linda's back story isn't like that, and the benefit system is there for those down on their luck for whatever reason, she's a darn sight more worthy of getting help than some of the stories of people i've read about.
I know full well she's not claiming benefits currently. I'm merely saying, having just come off benefits I hope she doesn't intend to "blow the lot" and go back to how things were before. I'd say this to anybody in her circumstances, not just her. But anyway, this is turning into some sort of debate on welfare, so I think I'll leave it at that.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:57
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I'm sure she's more than capable than working in other industries. So, for arguments sake let's say she's at a meeting with her job adviser. Is it okay for her to be picky and state she will only work in showbiz, then claim her benefit?

I don't see why, like many other people, she can't use the money to set up her own business? She could do many things productively with the money. Anything is better than her going back to claiming benefits.
I did say if she can't make money from showbiz OR find another job, as in a regular job, then like everybody else she should be entitled to benefits. I never said she would only be interested in celebrity job.

Do you really think a 70s pop singer is getting enough money to set up a business for three weeks in BB?
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:57
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Firstly, I don't find Lionel living lavishly offensive. On that thread, I was merely pointing out he is no living legend, and instead is a washed up entertainer who probably just wants a luxurious retirement. I don't care how he spends his money.

Secondly, I do think there's something wrong with Linda spending her cash without even trying to use it as an investment, then turning to the welfare system.

My opinion on Lionel and Linda, though negative, are very different.
If you know of a 100% guaranteed investment there are a lot of people who would love to know what it is.

Before she was ill and her husband died Linda was very hard-working and did loads of Summer Seasons as Maggie May in Blackpool. I imagine that these funded a comfortable but by no means lavish lifestyle.

Understandably, between her own cancer and the death of her husband (who was also her manager) she got depressed and couldn't work.

I imagine, that feeling on the road to full recovery and having been brave enough to go into CBB that she will again be able to find work again in Blackpool or similar pantomimes etc.
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Old 06-01-2014, 02:58
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i found this one more insightful

http://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrit...0#.UsoZibSO3Uk
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:01
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Well that's your view I suppose, I can't change that.

Peronally, I don't think somebody should be able to spend a load of cash, then immediately start claiming benefits. To me, as a taxpayer, using the welfare system in that way is offensive.
you've turned this into a discussion making generalisations about people turning to the 'welfare system' for money, when this is about 'Linda Nolen', and the money from 'welfare' is not enough to live a decent lifestyle and I'd imagine to the lifestyle that Linda was living, while her husband was alive,....and it wasn't by choice that Linda was in that position having to turn to the benefits system....if you read her story, so I don't think you can make such sweeping generalisations here,while being so uninformed.

Noone said that she blew all her money on a lavish lifestyle anyway, that is your assumption that IF she did , she shouldn't be entitled to claim from the state ! which is irrelevant given her backstory and reasons she got to this place.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:03
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If you know of a 100% guaranteed investment there are a lot of people who would love to know what it is.

Before she was ill and her husband died Linda was very hard-working and did loads of Summer Seasons as Maggie May in Blackpool. I imagine that these funded a comfortable but by no means lavish lifestyle.

Understandably, between her own cancer and the death of her husband (who was also her manager) she got depressed and couldn't work.

I imagine, that feeling on the road to full recovery and having been brave enough to go into CBB that she will again be able to find work again in Blackpool or similar pantomimes etc.
There is no 100% guaranteed investment. My point is, there's no harm in trying. If everybody used that "no guarantees" excuse, nobody would have successful businesses and everybody would be claiming benefits.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:05
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you've turned this into a discussion and made generalisations about money from the 'welfare system' - This is about Linda Nolen
No, you're quite right and I really didn't mean to. I won't say anything else on the matter, I've made my point anyway.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:05
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No, but people ought to learn from mistakes. All I'm saying is, instead of her spending the cash on I don't know, a nice car and champagne, she could at least try to invest it wisely.
Maybe, just maybe she's going to spend it on her mortgage, bills etc.

This idea that because someone has a bit of celebrity means that they have vast amounts of cash to squander and no bills to pay is mind boggling. Also that unlike us mere mortals they have cash growing on trees to invest as they please and if they haven't invested it's been spent on gold taps that supply champagne. Like I said the business she's in offer nothing more than a middle class kind of wage similar to most professionals.

You suggest you doubt she's seeking work like us normal folks. Why? I assume she's seeking work her CV dictates she is suitable for and what employers would look for. And that is from the business of show. I'm sure you'd be on your high horse if she was offered an admin job over those with actual experience in admin.

You also say 'she's a middle-aged woman who should have some sort of financial stability'. Well that could be said of everyone but things happen in ones life that alter things. That take that stability away. I mean Linda has been a jobbing actress that has always done alright for herself particularly in musical theatre. She then got cancer and her husband got cancer and died, these kind of events can shake the foundations of that stability.

I mean as far as I can tell she isn't claiming she was in debt and it seems she had that financial stability to support her through those bad times. However that doesn't mean that she doesn't need a bit of support to help get by when she's out of work and she's perfectly entitled to it. I'm sure she's paid into the system for that entitlement.

Also she is planning an alternative 'career'... a career in fostering.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:07
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There is no 100% guaranteed investment. My point is, there's no harm in trying. If everybody used that "no guarantees" excuse, nobody would have successful businesses and everybody would be claiming benefits.
There's no harm in trying it, except for if it goes wrong and she's pumped the money that's taken her off benefits, whichever she was on, disappears then she will end up back on benefits anyway
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:13
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Linda's age too, is a really tough time to get employment, it is an ageist job market - and many I know her age, male and female are being made redundant at time in their life they need that financial stability and its taken away from them in a blink - it's sign of the times and in an unpredictable industry that Linda's in, even more likelihood of being unemployed female at her age, the jobs just arn't there - so she has done what many do..retrained and done foster caring, despite the loss of so many members of her family and with her own ill health she's bouncing back and now on CBB - hope she does well out of this and that she is as nice as she so far seems.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:18
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There is no 100% guaranteed investment. My point is, there's no harm in trying.
Of course there is.

If you invest in something, you stand to lose. Investment is a gamble and if you can't afford that gamble then it can ruin you.

You are under the assumption that Linda Nolan is some mega rich woman with money to burn that could have been invested instead of spent on fancy cars and private jets. She's a jobbing singer/actress/performer of the type who makes enough to live a middle class lifestyle. Not someone with the types of money where a poor investment doesn't matter.

You say someone of her age should have financial security while at the same time expecting her to act in a way where security isn't guaranteed one bit.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:21
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I wonder if they still get royalties from their music - it wouldn't be enough to live off, but i'd imagine they do...perhaps a few hundred a year - particulary as Coleen has been on tv for years now, and perhaps she may have generated renewed interest in The Nolans music ,and now Linda may increase sales a bit more perhaps.

It's a thought. I know people who get couple of hundred quid a year in Royalties for their music and they're nowhere near as known as the Nolans were in their day or remotely as successful as they were .
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:24
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I'm a Woman of a certain age - bit like Our Linda... I'd love to tell you I have my pension and worked for it and and and... BUT my pension was always connected to my Mans'. AS a woman of a certain age I have been shafted. My pension is worth nothing so I admire Our Linda for being so open - she said she was on benefits and skint. I hope she gets more work. I'm "over qualified" for everything I apply for. I be so happy for a job in any local supermarket but I'm "over qualified" . I'm a Middled aged woman who was a stay at home mum(skint all those years)and now nobody wants me.

I can stock those shelves and make sure the beans are on them but I can't get past the first draft for an interview and prove it.

It's so hard for me ... How more difficult is it for the young people
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:33
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I'm a Woman of a certain age - bit like Our Linda... I'd love to tell you I have my pension and worked for it and and and... BUT my pension was always connected to my Mans'. AS a woman of a certain age I have been shafted. My pension is worth nothing so I admire Our Linda for being so open - she said she was on benefits and skint. I hope she gets more work. I'm "over qualified" for everything I apply for. I be so happy for a job in any local supermarket but I'm "over qualified" . I'm a Middled aged woman who was a stay at home mum(skint all those years)and now nobody wants me.

I can stock those shelves and make sure the beans are on them but I can't get past the first draft for an interview and prove it.

It's so hard for me ... How more difficult is it for the young people
so true for many over qualified people - perhaps the middle managers feel threatened - it is tough, and graduates from years ago are still trying to get in the door, very tough out there. It does annoy me when people think benefits are handed out so very easily, some play the system and don't get caught, true, but its not easy getting any monies as people think it is.
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:45
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Honestly, she's a middle-aged woman who should have some sort of financial stability. She should be using this opportunity to sensibly plan her future career, and not clutching at the hope that CBB will relaunch her (which it definitely won't). She could use the money to start up a small business? Why should she be able to splash it all on a lavish lifestyle, safe in the knowledge she'll be able to go back to living on benefits when it runs dry.

Odette my pension was stolen from me. I worked and my hubby worked and our PENSIONS were stolen. The money we paid in was stolen and now we are back at the start. There are still years of argy bargy to go on but I know Himself and I will NEVER benefit from OUR pensions. Himself and I are Educated people and have some stuff going on BUT OUR PENSIONS were stolen or plundered and we will be very poor in our old age. Honestly - you should plan for old age and stuff.... Markets and stuff.... be a C*NT and stuff. I hope your pension fund is always on top - YOU CU*T
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Old 06-01-2014, 03:58
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Odette my pension was stolen from me. I worked and my hubby worked and our PENSIONS were stolen. The money we paid in was stolen and now we are back at the start. There are still years of argy bargy to go on but I know Himself and I will NEVER benefit from OUR pensions. Himself and I are Educated people and have some stuff going on BUT OUR PENSIONS were stolen or plundered and we will be very poor in our old age. Honestly - you should plan for old age and stuff.... Markets and stuff.... be a C*NT and stuff. I hope your pension fund is always on top - YOU CU*T




Fabulous post. Clapping smilie.
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:18
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so true for many over qualified people - perhaps the middle managers feel threatened - it is tough, and graduates from years ago are still trying to get in the door, very tough out there. It does annoy me when people think benefits are handed out so very easily, some play the system and don't get caught, true, but its not easy getting any monies as people think it is.
Sandy - I just want a wee job.I don't want to be CEO. I just want a wee job where I earn my own money. The times and days where I would be CEO are long gone. I tried to apply for a job at a supermarket.... it was on line only. I was told to do all my qualifications one by one..... and of course.... Scottish highers from 30 years ago - problem
I tried again and missed out the highers...
problem again.... and yet again I tried
no ****er is interested in that shit

I know I'm not stupid and I know I can be a great staff member of any local super market - hell I'm middle aged and nosey about everyone

I'm the perfect local store worker. So why am I so unemployable?
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:24
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Fabulous post. Clapping smilie.
I couldn't think of another word... apart from CU*T
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Old 06-01-2014, 04:59
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Pixie Queen that was mature... You may not agree with me, but there was no need to stoop that low. I apologise if I offended anyone, I really didn't mean to, but that language is really unnecessary.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:05
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Pixie Queen that was mature... You may not agree with me, but there was no need to stoop that low. I apologise if I offended anyone, I really didn't mean to, but that language is really unnecessary.
Odette _ I didn't mean to offend you but at times some words may be the only words that are strong enough to convey ... arrrghhhh wwwwhhhthreufht.. I apologise if my use of the C word has over stepped the mark (and I do think it has by a long shot). I'm very sorry as I can see things from your point of view . The miseries of being on a keyboard and then regreting what you type a second after you hit the enter button. Keep me in check please.

We all need our little voice of reason.

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Old 06-01-2014, 06:29
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"pissed the money up the wall" How much money do you think she made from her 'fame'?!
Enough to contribute to a pension and not need state help at her age - if she had bothered.

However the state is there to cover stupid wasters too. And she obviously contributed more than most
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:33
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People need to feel more and think less. Financially she's in a bad way. It doesn't automatically make her an evil doer.
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Old 06-01-2014, 06:48
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There are a lot of people who have suffered such trauma through a death/unemployment and even worse. It just annoys me when people get over emotional when it happens to a 'celebrity' (OMG the end of the world they have to go out and get a normal job). And ordinary people don't have the option of just applying to go into BB and get paid the amount she'll get paid for three weeks work. Its probably the equivalent of what most people would get for their lump sum after they've worked for 40 years and just retired for goodness sake.
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Old 06-01-2014, 10:04
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Linda would have paid into the system, during her earning years - therefore, why should people query her entitlement to benefit ??

As a celebrity, with previous earning power - her claim would have been thoroughly checked.

There should be more concern regarding the army of women, who treat it as a life style choice . Those, who have never paid in - yet, procreate repeatedly at the tax payer's expense.
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