He said it. There is really no room for discussion. I don't see how he is being used as a scapegoat. No one forced him to say it. He said it, and now he will have to face the consequences of that - whether that being he is evicted in the public vote or whatever.

There really is... A room for discussion That's how we learn. He has also already faced the consequences of it he had a warning or do you have more punishment in mind?

He received a warning, sure, but as I said previously, some religions (some fundamentalist mormons, for example), believe that people with darker skin tones are tainted and corrupt by the devil. If someone expressed those religious views in the house, would they have just been given a warning? Of course not. They'd have been removed from the house. Why is this any different?

Besides that, he's been punished by Big Brother, yes, but that doesn't make everything right. He said what he said and there are no excuses. When I spoke about consequences, I meant (and I believe I also said in my original post) that the public will decide what happens to him in the public vote). Or are you suggesting that we just vote for people who have the nicest name? or look the most attractive? and instead ignore their actions in the house because "BB has dealt with it"?

That's one interesting comparison.

If they didn’t show it then they would, as with Freezergate, then they would be accused over cover ups.

But then, they haven’t show the warning Jim’s already had so there is some inequality there. But then the don’t show the vast majority of warnings. For example Deana actually got one of the highest number of warnings in her series (incuding racist comments) but they were never shown.

Not really. People are defending his views because of his religion. This is a view another religion holds. So the comparison is there (and valid!).

I think more people are defending free speech. And saying you disagree with something is not the same as saying people are evil.

I only go by what he said and not compare it to another scenario because that scenario hasn't happened. He said his opinion about homosexuality YES it's wrong even my 17 year old said it was as soon as he heard it but as we have learnt to understand other people live differently to ours. Some people like Evander haven't had the chance to learn so instead of condemning the person we condemns the view talk about it teach eac other and move on.

Even if he was removed he still gets his fee it's not a punishment. They all leave the house in 3 weeks max anyway getting voted out is not a punishment.

Okay, then my comment was aimed at people defending him on the grounds that it is what his religion believes!

Although, even then, if a racist went into the house would everyone be defending him/her then because it's free speech? For some reason, I doubt it.

Do you think BB should edit out all such comments? Should Jade and Co have got away with the way they were about Shilpa, for example?


Expressing an opinion is doing something too.

I can't speak for others but yes I would.

I'd agree with that. It is probably more punishment for him to actually stay in the house longer (especially since it's been evident from the beginning he's only in there for the cash anyway!). BUUUTTT, do we as viewers really want to watch him for the rest of the series?

Actually the Shilpagate was rather educational but also sad mostly look what happened, not because of what happened later on but no one came out well out of that. But lessons in life are always complicated.

Opinion is not a deed you can have an internal opinion and a totally different external one and a different deed we all have it even children say one thing do another.
Sometimes people say things in anger, sometimes we say things amongst friends that can not tell to our parents, bottom line is whether we admit or not we all have our prejudices and likes and dislikes but we are not going to admit it to everybody.

I hate political correctness but I think what Evander did say was a outrageous really and although he is entitled to his opinion, if some one said something similar to black people or jews, they probably would have been removed.

But I don't think he should be removed. That should be down to the public. Big Brother is about different parts of society coming together and different views will obviously be expressed.

But what Evander did was practically call gay people disabled and like I said, if it was about Jews or black people, the uproar to remove him would be slightly higher I think.

Homosexuality is perhaps not on the same level as race yet because if it was, he would have been removed. I have no doubt about that.

I actually educated myself on the topic of homosexuality and although I tend to more Conservative and traditionalist,I recognized that it is normal and that is just the way they are.

Its not less normal than the white skin I have. So he was out of order and really it is based on a religious belief and ignorance.

These warnings are a device constructed to combat the OFCOM-on-speed-dial merchants so that BB can continue to broadcast controversial comments.

The whole you-mustn't-say-anything-likely-to-cause-offence deal doesn't bear scrutiny but then the contestants apparently sign up for it so if they decide nonethless to say something edgy they have to suck it up.

There's a thread about this on the boxing forum i regularly visit if you want to take a look
http://boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=497011

Interesting forum where, apparently, they are not even allowed to type the word "homosexual"! One of the posters mentioned that there are, indeed, some gay boxers, and another said (re. choices) "Ignorance is a choice". Amen to that!

I really don't think that ignorance is a choice. Ignorance is ignorance; and ignorance of that ignorance.

Evander's comments were fairly shocking to most of us, I'd imagine; but he certainly didn't seem to hold any animosity towards gay people. He rightly got a warning for what he said but I would be among those who would prefer to see him allowed to have a tempered discussion on the matter.

I once had a (male) work colleague who was explaining to me why he objected to gay marriage. Rather than calling for him to be fired, or storming out of the office, I spoke to him - on a number of occasions - about the issue. I managed to change his mind; or at least that's the impression I got.

I'd also like to say that a lot of the comments on the threads about this incidence have been demonstrative of fairly shocking intolerance, generalisation and hatred for religious people. Hypocritical in the extreme........

If you live in a country which provides free secular education to children then I believe you can say "ignorance is a choice". If you are literate then you have the choice to read widely (particularly if you have access to the internet) and learn a good deal or not to read and to remain in ignorance. Is there any excuse for thinking, as the late lamented Jade Goody did, that "East Angular" was a foreign country? Or, as I heard another reality tv contributor say recently "Rome? That's where Jesus was from, innit?" And this was someone with a pro-Jesus sign stuck to her television!

Stupid warning, we are all entitled to express an opinion on anything we like, whether others like it or not.

PC madness.

100% true!