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Results:were BB right to warn Evander ?
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no
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honeythewitch
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“Regardless of whether you think it's "PC nonsense" (funny how the only people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" are heterosexual, white and able-bodied, but I digress) it had to be challenged. Broadcasters have a duty to do so.

Don't conflate his being given a warning with him being told he's wrong and can't believe what he believes. That's not what happened. He expressed his view that homosexuality is a) a choice and b) akin to a disability that can c) be "fixed". Big Brother pulled him up and said that this was a little offensive (which it is). "opinions" (even those based on religion) aren't immune from being challenged.”

How can you tell someone's colour, physical ability and sexuality from internet posts?

Challenging opinions is one thing. Stifling them is another.
TheWayItIs
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“Funny how the only people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" are heterosexual, white and able-bodied, but I digress...

Big Brother were perfectly right to challenge Evander's comments. If he's allowed an opinion, so are they.

Now don't conflate his being given a warning with him being told that he's wrong and can't believe what he believes. That's not what happened.

He expressed his view that homosexuality is a) a choice and b) akin to a disability that can c) be "fixed". Big Brother pulled him up and said that this was a little offensive (which it is). "Opinions" (even those based on religion) aren't immune from being challenged.

He's still free to believe it, say it or turn it into a showtune, just not in Big Brother's house. Same as how if you came into my house and shouted out something bigot I can tell you to stop or leave. That's not impinging on free speech.”

No disabled black lesbians then....
lolla_7
05-01-2014
In all honesty I find myself ridiculously annoyed at all this. I do not support what he said at all and have completely opposing beliefs, however, I don't think he said anything horribly offensive and just sounded like a man expressing his opinions. I also find the 'if he said black instead' comments completely ridiculous. Evander's opinion is homosexuals choose to be so. Comparing that opinion to that of a racist is plain ridiculous. He thinks homosexuals choose to be so, therefore thinks they can choose not to be. Racists just hate people because they are of a different race which, of course, can't be a choice.
1Mickey
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by BBTObsessed:
“DONT show it if it is offensive for the viewers. Do'h”

They need it for Daily Star headlines.
EchoFalls
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“Funny how the only people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" are heterosexual, white and able-bodied, but I digress..
”

Evander?
missfrankiecat
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Stellen11:
“Of course you can. Its not a hate crime to hold the view that homsexuality is a choice. Its not like you can scientifically prove what evander says is wrong. People can be gay, then they can go straight. look at tom robinson.”

The irony is he was telling these views to a woman who in her last media interview before entering the house said she enjoys sex with women as well as men but would choose at the moment only to be in a relationship with a man!
TheWayItIs
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by BBTObsessed:
“DONT show it if it is offensive for the viewers. Do'h”

You'll never get a job with Channel5 , expressing such radical views as that!
ChipPaper
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“Funny how the only people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" are heterosexual, white and able-bodied, but I digress...”

Do you have any proof for this claim? I thought not.
joeysneddon
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by BBTObsessed:
“DONT show it if it is offensive for the viewers. Do'h”

This "...or people will be offended" thing is the wrong end of the wedge.
joeysneddon
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by EchoFalls:
“Evander?”

I wasn't aware he complained about "political correctness gone mad", which was my point in the opening salvo
Dr. Claw
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“Funny how the only people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" are heterosexual, white and able-bodied, but I digress...

Big Brother were perfectly right to challenge Evander's comments. If he's allowed an opinion, so are they.

Now don't conflate his being given a warning with him being told that he's wrong and can't believe what he believes. That's not what happened.

He expressed his view that homosexuality is a) a choice and b) akin to a disability that can c) be "fixed". Big Brother pulled him up and said that this was a little offensive (which it is). "Opinions" (even those based on religion) aren't immune from being challenged.

He's still free to believe it, say it or turn it into a showtune, just not in Big Brother's house. Same as how if you came into my house and shouted out something bigot I can tell you to stop or leave. That's not impinging on free speech.”

wait so its now bb's job to 'challenge' certain peoples opinions? mind you its only certain opinions they wish to challenge obvious not the popular held ones. bb acts now too much of a nanny -they 'challenge' him ask him about what he said and then give him a warning, its not even a democratic way of behaving
EchoFalls
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“The irony is he was telling these views to a woman who in her last media interview before entering the house said she enjoys sex with women as well as men but would choose at the moment only to be in a relationship with a man!”

She said that!? How very offensive!
Conehead
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“The irony is he was telling these views to a woman who in her last media interview before entering the house said she enjoys sex with women as well as men but would choose at the moment only to be in a relationship with a man!”

Oh yes, Luisa has a choice.
missfrankiecat
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by lolla_7:
“In all honesty I find myself ridiculously annoyed at all this. I do not support what he said at all and have completely opposing beliefs, however, I don't think he said anything horribly offensive and just sounded like a man expressing his opinions. I also find the 'if he said black instead' comments completely ridiculous. Evander's opinion is homosexuals choose to be so. Comparing that opinion to that of a racist is plain ridiculous. He thinks homosexuals choose to be so, therefore thinks they can choose not to be. Racists just hate people because they are of a different race which, of course, can't be a choice.”

Exactly. Equating homophobic views (held by most orthodox religions) with racism just illustrates the uninformed and illogical thinking which results from lack of proper debate about these important issues. I too hold completely different views to the ones he expressed but I absolutely support his right to express his views in the measured terms in which he did. Stifling freedom of speech actually hinders progressive thought.
joeysneddon
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Dr. Claw:
“wait so its now bb's job to 'challenge' certain peoples opinions? mind you its only certain opinions they wish to challenge obvious not the popular held ones. bb acts now too much of a nanny -they 'challenge' him ask him about what he said and then give him a warning, its not even a democratic way of behaving ”

I fail to see what's so complicated about this.

Before Evander went into the house he agreed to a set of rules. He broke one of them (whether or not you think it fair, it's there) and Big Brother responded accordingly.
EchoFalls
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“I wasn't aware he complained about "political correctness gone mad", which was my point in the opening salvo ”

I myself think it's PC gone mad and I am only 2 out of your 3.
Conehead
05-01-2014
Please producers, warn Dappy not to get his penis out, as it might cause offence.
But if he does, make sure you show it.
Fanntastik
05-01-2014
The funniest part (or maybe not funny) is that Big Brother has such a large gay audience so to express an opinion that could be construed as homophobic on a show like this is just stupid.
1Mickey
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Oh yes, Luisa has a choice.”

Careful you don't get yourself vilified
Sylvia
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by Conehead:
“Dappy brandishing his manhood is more offensive.”

As was the filthy sex talk by that Jasmine woman that offended Lionel (and probably a lot of viewers too)
Piipp
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by joeysneddon:
“Funny how the only people who complain about "political correctness gone mad" are heterosexual, white and able-bodied, but I digress...

Big Brother were perfectly right to challenge Evander's comments. If he's allowed an opinion, so are they.

Now don't conflate his being given a warning with him being told that he's wrong and can't believe what he believes. That's not what happened.

He expressed his view that homosexuality is a) a choice and b) akin to a disability that can c) be "fixed". Big Brother pulled him up and said that this was a little offensive (which it is). "Opinions" (even those based on religion) aren't immune from being challenged.

He's still free to believe it, say it or turn it into a showtune, just not in Big Brother's house. Same as how if you came into my house and shouted out something bigoted I can tell you to stop or leave.

That's not impinging on free speech, censoring people or "silencing" them. It's about respect, politeness and decorum.”

Agree 100%. Best post I've read all night.
joeysneddon
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by missfrankiecat:
“Exactly. Equating homophobic views (held by most orthodox religions) with racism just illustrates the uninformed and illogical thinking which results from lack of proper debate about these important issues. I too hold completely different views to the ones he expressed but I absolutely support his right to express his views in the measured terms in which he did. Stifling freedom of speech actually hinders progressive thought.”

But his free speech hasn't been stifled. People conflate "free speech" with "being able to say whatever the 'eck i want, where I want, how I want and to whom I want" (more commonly known as 'freedom of expression').

Free Speech also comes with a responsibility for what you say and the impact of what you say has on others (and/or whether it breaks any laws).

But hey, the peanut gallery will do what they do so well regardless: OUTRAGEE!!!
kimotag
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by detroit city:
“i mean is there a law against having that opinion and explaining it ?”

It could fall under this (from wikipedia):

The Criminal Justice and Immigration Act 2008 amended Part 3A of the Public Order Act 1986. The amended Part 3A adds, for England and Wales, the offence of inciting hatred on the ground of sexual orientation. All the offences in Part 3 attach to the following acts: the use of words or behaviour or display of written material, publishing or distributing written material, the public performance of a play, distributing, showing or playing a recording, broadcasting or including a programme in a programme service, and possession of inflammatory material. In the circumstances of hatred based on religious belief or on sexual orientation, the relevant act (namely, words, behaviour, written material, or recordings, or programme) must be threatening and not just abusive or insulting.[8]

And an example of where this Act has been used:

On 13 October 2001, Harry Hammond, an evangelist, was arrested and charged under section 5 of the Public Order Act (1986) because he had displayed to people in Bournemouth a large sign bearing the words "Jesus Gives Peace, Jesus is Alive, Stop Immorality, Stop Homosexuality, Stop Lesbianism, Jesus is Lord". In April 2002, a magistrate convicted Hammond, fined him £300, and ordered him to pay costs of £395.[18][19][20]
MrTaylor
05-01-2014
Originally Posted by meglosmurmurs:
“Well I suppose he did insist on lecturing Luisa about it even though she gave him a couple of opportunities to stop the conversation.
So he didn't really allow Luisa to have her opinion either. lol

BB should probably have left it at their conversation though and made a disclaimer at the start of the show that Evander's views are his own and are not associated with CBB in any way.”

This. Instead of warning hms... It just scares them off from saying anything wrong
trevor tiger
05-01-2014
No. His opinion was undoubtedly offensive but it is his opinion and I want housemates to share their opinions. I would much rather people could speak freely about their homophobic views so that we can discuss them and show up the ridiculousness and unacceptability of them. That is, instead of us all, Evander included being treated like children by BB.

Having said all that I did enjoy seeing BB tell off the former Undisputed World Champion Heavyweight Boxer
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