I wouldn't say offensive just incorrect. If someone is offended by that then there notion of offence is overstretched.

I think that's what she SHOULD have got in trouble for.

I'm not condoning what Evander said but I suspect there will be some folk at Big Brother and Channel 5 clapping their hands in glee that they are getting a lot of publicity over this. They didn't have to show that conversation but they did because they wanted it as a storyline and they knew it was going to be pretty explosive.

Yes I think that could be offensive to people who know they're not a 'bit' gay. (Even though I don't really give a toss myself what he spouts as I think he's an idiot).

Well, he would, wouldn't he ?

It's a tricky one isn't it? As we are, at this moment in time in society, BB was wrong to give him a warning. It is his opinion and he is entitled to express it. However, it is offensive and it's good that he was made aware of that (if he wasn't already). The fact is, many, many people around the world hold the same opinions (particulary in Russia right now) and it's a good thing that he expressed this opinion to highlight this issue.

Of course, these idiots who talk about homsexuality being wrong as it is mentioned in the bible don't pay attention to many of the other ridiculous suggestions in the bible about what is and isn't correct behaviour. Otherwise, people would be stoned to death for wearing the wrong clothing!

There isn't an opinion about it. You're gay/bisexual or you're not. He said that it IS a choice and that if you're gay you should try and fix yourself to become straight. Right, I wonder if he'd be able to force himself to be gay if the roles were reversed.

No, he is a very talented singer/song writer who has one of the best voices out there and released the best album of 2013 and was quite brilliant live on his tour.

But surely there is? Yes, all intelligent (and most non religious) people know that what he said was total bollox. BUT, that is HIS opinion. He thinks that it CAN be reversed. Ok, he is wrong, but it doesn't half make this Big Brother another cracker

No-one is saying that he can't have his beliefs, just that he can expect to be challenged on them if he expresses them in certain ways, and that tv shows such as BB have various rules on what you can and can't say and that HMs agree to abide by these when they sign up! BB/C5 is in turn trying to stay, on the right side of OFCOM whose policies are influenced by various laws on hate -speech. Even in a place like the U.S.A where freedom of speech is enshrined in law, people have faced various forms of censure for voicing various opinions. Like it or not humans are social animals, not isolated individuals, and there has never been a society where total freedom of speech has existed. Even in the most primitive societies there are strong social norms and taboos that inform what people say and do!

When you hear the likes of Tom Daley and Ollie Locke say they like both Men and Women, does this mean they aren't really Gay? This always confuses me!

The 'argument' that being Gay can't be 'fixed' or it isn't a choice, surely doesn't come in to this category! Does it?

After all, they are choosing to go with both sexes!!

We call those people 'bisexual'! In my view sexuality isn't just a gay or straight matter for everyone; some people are somewhere in between the two orientations. Even someone right in the middle of the spectrum wouldn't have a choice as to who they were attracted to though, as they would find men and women equally attractive!

Not all bisexuals choose to 'go with both sexes'. Social constraints may mean that they choose to act only on the heterosexual option.

No but some do. So they are ( IMHO ) making a choice.

George likes having his holey feeled.

well in my opinion, Tom Daley said that as a way of 'easing' himself to coming out, i suspect he is truley gay.
infact its quite common for teenagers to start off identifying as 'bisexual' before they are ready to admit they are gay.
theres no need to make a big deal out of it.

the only reason kids feel the need to hold back from admitting there sexuality is because of the ignorant people in society.

The best post I have read on this forum in the last 15 hrs.

Then he is making a choice.

***You are confusing ignorance with difference**

the choice to ease himself into coming out as gay? yes.

no dear, ignorance is ignorance plain and simple.

Yeah OK George.


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This is a NONSENSE argument. There are many things in life we ALL agree on, without it affecting our individuality. There is NO EXCUSE for anyone making moronic anti-gay statements.

All this "he's entitled to his own opinion" nonsense.

If someone believes the world is flat, are they "entitled to that opinion" or should they be told that they are an ignorant idiot?

Unfortunately people seem to think that no matter how harmful, someone can put across an opinion and not be challenged on it.
Basically an excuse for being a complete idiot and nasty to other people, as long as it's 'your opinion' then it's fine!

Yes, people are entitled to their prejudiced, cruel opinions. But that means that others are entitled to disagree strongly with those and pick them up on it!

Ch5 execs will be rubbing their hands with glee.
They just cannot buy publicity like this.

You are confusing choice with innate sexuality. As a straight man I could 'choose' to sleep with a man for whatever reason, but there would be no physical attraction there and I doubt that my performance would be up to much!

In the case of Tom Daley, I think it likely that he is predominantly gay but has some attraction to women. In the past someone like him would probably have settled down with a woman and had kids, but as he got older may well have come out as gay as Dan in BB14 did. Fortunately nowadays it is easier for someone to choose to be with the person that they are most attracted to, be they male or female.

Which i why they chose to air this particular conversation between two housemates.
I don't agree with his point of view, but that is just what it is - HIS point of view and probably not meant for broadcast to the world!
Evander strikes me as a housemate who has not yet clicked that he is on view 24/7 and there are cameras and mikes everywhere. He still looks lost. I don't feel there was any malice in his statement - just his opinion and what he feels he has read in the bible.