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Why does BB always play the homophobic/racist card to gain more viewers?
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owl61uk
06-01-2014
I could perhaps appreciate the "outrage" of his views if he was ranting and raving about it and trying to push it down their throats. But this was a run of the mill conversation in which he stated his christian views.

One of the problems we have in this country is that people seem to feel the need to be offended at the drop of a hat for the slightest thing. It seems the majority have no right to their own opinion, however the minority and offended brigade seem to shout the loudest and push their views onto others
Graceland
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Skepticism:
“They have just seized the opportunity to create a scandal over nothing.

People,are entitled to their own opinions, bigoted or not. That's how things are out on the street, why should it be any different in the house.

They could have just cut the footage from our screens, but chose to show it to gain more viewers.”

Exactly, of coarse.

That would of been the sensible thing to do but they WANT to promote this ill feeling.
dtorre
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Skepticism:
“Most of the time, such as on this occasion, things are blown way out of proportion....just to get more publicity. It's almost like they provoke discrimination by blowing meaningless comments completely out of proportion in order to get a few more viewers. It's all very desperate. And wrong.”

Technically it wasn't BB that blew anything out of proportion, they just new the 'perpetually offended' brigade on Twitter and Facebook would wet their panties as soon as there is a sniff of 'offence'. They knew that there are people who have being offended as a hobby these days and played them like an idiot's kazoo for ratings
Skepticism
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“They would be doing a disservice if they didn't show it. The whole point of the show is to see peoples personalities and seeing the real them. What they believe and what they just generally like.”

..but that's hypocritical, because we aren't allowed to hear what people believe, or if we do then the old racist/homophobic stuff gets blown out of context and proportion, as is the case here.

There are two sides to an argument, and if one side isn't able to express his or her opinions, then the other side shouldn't either. Some people agreed with him, some didn't, that's life.

I'm gay. I've not got an issue with what he said. I hear far worse in the local pub, when I'm out shopping, on trains, etc.

I also believe in free speech, and here it has been blown way out of proportion, by the media, by people on these kinds of forums. Big Brother / Endemol are opportunist f&@£s who want to profit from something such as this. Opportunistic capitalism is as bad as racism and homophobia.
1Mickey
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by owl61uk:
“I could perhaps appreciate the "outrage" of his views if he was ranting and raving about it and trying to push it down their throats. But this was a run of the mill conversation in which he stated his christian views.

One of the problems we have in this country is that people seem to feel the need to be offended at the drop of a hat for the slightest thing. It seems the majority have no right to their own opinion, however the minority and offended brigade seem to shout the loudest and push their views onto others”

I agree and its very depressing.
Eurostar
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by owl61uk:
“I could perhaps appreciate the "outrage" of his views if he was ranting and raving about it and trying to push it down their throats. But this was a run of the mill conversation in which he stated his christian views.

One of the problems we have in this country is that people seem to feel the need to be offended at the drop of a hat for the slightest thing. It seems the majority have no right to their own opinion, however the minority and offended brigade seem to shout the loudest and push their views onto others”

Definitely : a society where you're not even allowed to hold an opinion that is opposed to what most other people think sounds more like a totalitarian dictatorship.
Sweet7
06-01-2014
I wasn't offended by what he said. He can think what he likes - doesn't bother me.

What offended me was the reaction of the public - if it was racism it would be completely different which kind of feels we have taken 10 steps back in moving forward.
Sun Tzu.
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Skepticism:
“..but that's hypocritical, because we aren't allowed to hear what people believe, or if we do then the old racist/homophobic stuff gets blown out of context and proportion, as is the case here.

There are two sides to an argument, and if one side isn't able to express his or her opinions, then the other side shouldn't either. Some people agreed with him, some didn't, that's life.

I'm gay. I've not got an issue with what he said. I hear far worse in the local pub, when I'm out shopping, on trains, etc.

I also believe in free speech, and here it has been blown way out of proportion, by the media, by people on these kinds of forums. Big Brother / Endemol are opportunist f&@£s who want to profit from something such as this. Opportunistic capitalism is as bad as racism and homophobia.”

Sure but both sides did give their opinion. Like Luisa. The difference is rightly or wrongly, only one view riles people up more. That is just how UK society is.
1Mickey
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Eurostar:
“Definitely : a society where you're not even allowed to hold an opinion that is opposed to what most other people think sounds more like a totalitarian dictatorship.”

Which is actually pretty ironic considering where the idea for Big brother came from.
Skepticism
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“Sure but both sides did give their opinion. Like Luisa. The difference is rightly or wrongly, only one view riles people up more. That is just how UK society is.”

Err, Big brother doesn't allow the views of what he said, hence the absurd 'warning', so thereby silencing those opinions you're only, effectively,, allowing a one-sided view.
peterstone
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Skepticism:
“..but that's hypocritical, because we aren't allowed to hear what people believe, or if we do then the old racist/homophobic stuff gets blown out of context and proportion, as is the case here.

There are two sides to an argument, and if one side isn't able to express his or her opinions, then the other side shouldn't either. Some people agreed with him, some didn't, that's life.

I'm gay. I've not got an issue with what he said. I hear far worse in the local pub, when I'm out shopping, on trains, etc.

I also believe in free speech, and here it has been blown way out of proportion, by the media, by people on these kinds of forums. Big Brother / Endemol are opportunist f&@£s who want to profit from something such as this. Opportunistic capitalism is as bad as racism and homophobia.”

Well said indeed
peterstone
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sweet7:
“I wasn't offended by what he said. He can think what he likes - doesn't bother me.

What offended me was the reaction of the public - if it was racism it would be completely different which kind of feels we have taken 10 steps back in moving forward.”

I disagree. I would have felt the same. He wasn't being offensive. He expressed a view. If he'd been offensive about gay peopk,e or people of a different race I'd have a different opinion
quirkyquirk
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“They would be doing a disservice if they didn't show it. The whole point of the show is to see peoples personalities and seeing the real them. What they believe and what they just generally like.”

After stating that he didn't agree with Holyfield's opinion,Terry Christian tweeted "There was at least one far more unsavoury conversation than that when I was in the house that would've caused uproar if it had been shown"

Granted he was on the Channel 4 version but the point is the producers make the decision on what they want or don't want to cause controversy.
1Mickey
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by quirkyquirk:
“After stating that he didn't agree with Holyfield's opinion,Terry Christian tweeted "There was at least one far more unsavoury conversation than that when I was in the house that would've caused uproar if it had been shown"

Granted he was on the Channel 4 version but the point is the producers make the decision on what they want or don't want to cause controversy.”

It makes sense in a way. There's a lot more money to be made if the winner lives in this country. Evander would probably go home pretty soon after leaving the house.
Graceland
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Skepticism:
“Was it in the public interest to show what he said? No.

Did he actively set out to discriminate against any one particular person in the house to deliberately offend them? No.

Therefore, he is entitled to his opinion and he should at least be given the right to free speech.”

Probably the reasons why we dont get live feed to get the full picture on things.
Ace-Duke
06-01-2014
Hey, does anyone remember when we had free speech in the UK? When it was thought an important principle to fight for? Ah happy days!
seansnotmyname@
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Ace-Duke:
“Hey, does anyone remember when we had free speech in the UK? When it was thought an important principle to fight for? Ah happy days!”

Indeed, big thing for us, and the fact that Holyfield's opinion has been shown, and all over the media, seems to make me think free-speech is thriving.

Yay, let's celebrate together
Fanntastik
06-01-2014
Why shouldn't they show it? BB is suppose to present an accurate representation of the HMs! Now I'm glad I know Evander is a homophobe, I certainly won't be rooting for him to win. Why should I support someone that thinks I can be "fixed"?
1Mickey
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“Why shouldn't they show it? BB is suppose to present an accurate representation of the HMs! Now I'm glad I know Evander is a homophobe, I certainly won't be rooting for him to win. Why should I support someone that thinks I can be "fixed"?”

Because we are more that any of our individual beliefs about whatever. I'm sure if I dug around in anyones beliefs I could find things I didn't like.
Fanntastik
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by 1Mickey:
“Because we are more that any of our individual beliefs about whatever. I'm sure if I dug around in anyones beliefs I could find things I didn't like.”

Yes but somebody's beliefs is an important part of who they are, especially if they affect how they view me as a person.
kimotag
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Ace-Duke:
“Hey, does anyone remember when we had free speech in the UK? When it was thought an important principle to fight for? Ah happy days!”

When was this then? There have always been taboo subjects and opinions that would be likely to be censured in all societies, be it by law or by the values that dominate in any given society. If you said that you disagreed with the monarchy a few hundred years ago, your head would be swiftly decorating a pike. Even in the U.S.A which enshrines freedom of speech, public figures have found themselves losing sponsorships or being dropped from tv shows for expressing various opinions.
Sun Tzu.
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Skepticism:
“Err, Big brother doesn't allow the views of what he said, hence the absurd 'warning', so thereby silencing those opinions you're only, effectively,, allowing a one-sided view.”

Well you heard what the guy said who give the warning. Something about the majority not agreeing with such a view? They are walking a slippery slope I suppose.

Do you think he should be allowed to continue saying what he said? It was a bit outrageous. Were do you draw the line?
1Mickey
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by Fanntastik:
“Yes but somebody's beliefs is an important part of who they are, especially if they affect how they view me as a person.”

They are in the sense that one of what could be thousands of beliefs may not be to whoevers taste but I don't think its fair with anyone to take one belief they have and based on that write off any possibility of good beliefs or characteristics when it comes to other things.
Sun Tzu.
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by quirkyquirk:
“After stating that he didn't agree with Holyfield's opinion,Terry Christian tweeted "There was at least one far more unsavoury conversation than that when I was in the house that would've caused uproar if it had been shown"

Granted he was on the Channel 4 version but the point is the producers make the decision on what they want or don't want to cause controversy.”

There has been worse things said in Big Brother before.
Fanntastik
06-01-2014
Originally Posted by 1Mickey:
“They are in the sense that one of what could be thousands of beliefs may not be to whoevers taste but I don't think its fair with anyone to take one belief they have and based on that write off any possibility of good beliefs or characteristics when it comes to other things.”

But I wouldn't support a HM who was homophobic, no matter how much of a "good" person they are. It's not like he just said he thought homosexuality was wrong because of his religion, he tried to make it out to be some sort of disability and that it can be fixed. It doesn't matter to me what the rest of his character is like when he thinks like that.
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