The Future is here

enapace · 06-01-2014, 17:31

Nvidia last year designed one of the best CPU's of the year they have now gone even further now and have truly thrown down the gauntlet. I will let you all read the links this is the future and it has arrived now.
http://www.droid-life.com/2014/01/05...re-super-chip/

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ne-performance

This completely blows Apple's A7 and Snapdragon's new 805 out of the water.I honestly am beyond words I seriously did not expect this and shocked beyond belief.

If what they claim is true and honestly I kind of believe it is. Console gaming has now a serious competitor in the Gaming industry the technology is clearly now available and developers are already ready to use it.

This is a huge step forward and Nvidia has shown they mean serious business completely throwing down the gauntlet.

jchamier · 06-01-2014, 18:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

This is a huge step forward and Nvidia has shown they mean serious business completely throwing down the gauntlet.

It will be interesting to see hardware with this in, both the dual A15 and the dual A8 versions - and get Anandtech's review/benchmarks.

qasdfdsaq · 06-01-2014, 18:39

These sound more like tablet chips than smartphone chips

enapace · 06-01-2014, 18:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchamier

It will be interesting to see hardware with this in, both the dual A15 and the dual A8 versions - and get Anandtech's review/benchmarks.

I completely agree with this can't wait see how these perform it certainly is a step forward though. The 64Bit version and the new ram that is around would make quite a powerful device.

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

These sound more like tablet chips than smartphone chips

I can see why you would think that and I agree to an extent but going from tablet to smartphone is a far smaller leap than PC to Tablet.

qasdfdsaq · 06-01-2014, 18:55

Not really, since there *are* full PC tablets around. Difference in battery size between a full laptop PC and a tablet isn't much different than between a tablet and a smartphone. It might even be bigger.

jchamier · 06-01-2014, 19:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

This completely blows Apple's A7 and Snapdragon's new 805 out of the water.I honestly am beyond words I seriously did not expect this and shocked beyond belief.

Qualcomm have said Snapdragon 805 is a quick fix as Apple stunned them with the A7, and its not at all optimised.

It will be interesting to see if Nvidia have jumped on 64bit with or without optimisation, and if Apple's A7 has more capability in the design already (which I suspect it has given the companies/people they bought to do CPU design).

clonmult · 06-01-2014, 21:15

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Originally Posted by jchamier

Qualcomm have said Snapdragon 805 is a quick fix as Apple stunned them with the A7, and its not at all optimised.

It will be interesting to see if Nvidia have jumped on 64bit with or without optimisation, and if Apple's A7 has more capability in the design already (which I suspect it has given the companies/people they bought to do CPU design).

The 64 bit design was already there, as it was designed by ARM and then licensed out. Apple just added a little on to the design, as probably 99% of the real work had already been done by ARM.

The K1 is an interesting advance in mobile designs, but it doesn't offer desktop class GPU - at least not the current generation. K1 - 192 compute units. iirc, the desktop NVidia units have 5-10x that number of compute units. The PS4 has 1152 compute units ....

enapace · 06-01-2014, 21:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

The 64 bit design was already there, as it was designed by ARM and then licensed out. Apple just added a little on to the design, as probably 99% of the real work had already been done by ARM.

The K1 is an interesting advance in mobile designs, but it doesn't offer desktop class GPU - at least not the current generation. K1 - 192 compute units. iirc, the desktop NVidia units have 5-10x that number of compute units. The PS4 has 1152 compute units ....

It is certainly a step forward obviously advancements will continue to be made but I believe this is the best Mobile CPU certainly the best GPU at the moment.

IvanIV · 06-01-2014, 22:03

192 cores?

A typical app is a sequential affair. Games can benefit from many cores to render 3D models, but 192 sounds like a gimmick.

clonmult · 06-01-2014, 22:08

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Originally Posted by IvanIV

192 cores?

A typical app is a sequential affair. Games can benefit from many cores to render 3D models, but 192 sounds like a gimmick.

192 GPU cores - not 192 CPU cores. Graphics tend to benefit from massively parallel processing. Definitely not a gimmick (unlike 64 bit - which for the moment is definitely a gimmick).

With this processor in a mobile or tablet, connected to a TV via HDMI ... it'd make a fantastic pocketable games console.

IvanIV · 06-01-2014, 22:16

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Originally Posted by clonmult

192 GPU cores - not 192 CPU cores. Graphics tend to benefit from massively parallel processing. Definitely not a gimmick (unlike 64 bit - which for the moment is definitely a gimmick).

With this processor in a mobile or tablet, connected to a TV via HDMI ... it'd make a fantastic pocketable games console.

I misread that, so many GPUs makes sense, probably preparing for 4K and 8K UHD.

clonmult · 06-01-2014, 23:10

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Originally Posted by IvanIV

I misread that, so many GPUs makes sense, probably preparing for 4K and 8K UHD.

4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope.

But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen.

enapace · 07-01-2014, 02:32

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Originally Posted by clonmult

4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope.

But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen.

Could also be used in laptops as a main problem with laptop is the size of graphics card. One of these chips must be equal to inter grated graphics or even better perhaps.

The Lord Lucan · 07-01-2014, 03:22

5W power usage. I know there are some great battery tech improvements coming this year but this is Tablet only, unless under clocked to hell. Nvidia do have a habit of massive headline boasts...

enapace · 07-01-2014, 04:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

5W power usage. I know there are some great battery tech improvements coming this year but this is Tablet only, unless under clocked to hell. Nvidia do have a habit of massive headline boasts...

In fairness though a smartphone doesn't really need something like this but it clearly means that tablets could become gaming machines. I am going to be watching this a lot hopefully it gets paired with decent hardware and developers get behind it.

IvanIV · 07-01-2014, 05:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope.

But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen.

Not for mobiles, tablets. I think that's where the specs wars will go. And maybe for iPhones

qasdfdsaq · 07-01-2014, 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan

5W power usage. I know there are some great battery tech improvements coming this year but this is Tablet only, unless under clocked to hell. Nvidia do have a habit of massive headline boasts...

I did say so in post #3

Now that you mention it, it's probably just "power" tablets too, not your average run-of-the-mill models.

5W is actually pretty high even for a tablet. With an iPad sized 25Wh battery you're still only looking at 3-4 hours of usage once you account for the screen and RAM and so on. Intel have a full 64-bit quad-core x86 CPU with integrated graphics built to a 2W design power.

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-A....101427.0.html

And although the Intel has inferior graphics power, it'll run the full desktop edition of Windows 8.1 and any existing Windows application.

qasdfdsaq · 07-01-2014, 06:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by jchamier

It will be interesting to see if Nvidia have jumped on 64bit with or without optimisation, and if Apple's A7 has more capability in the design already (which I suspect it has given the companies/people they bought to do CPU design).

Well...

Quote:

Nvidia will offer the Tegra K1 in two versions; a 32-bit quad-core, 4-Plus-1 ARM Cortex A15 CPU, and a Nvidia designed 64-bit dual Super Core CPU. The 32-bit version is expected to appear in devices in the first half of 2014, while the 64-bit version is likely to appear towards the end of the year. µ

qasdfdsaq · 07-01-2014, 06:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

Could also be used in laptops as a main problem with laptop is the size of graphics card. One of these chips must be equal to inter grated graphics or even better perhaps.

I really don't see this sorta crap as necessary in the laptop market. We already have decent laptop graphics chips based on the same architecture with over 1500 cores of the same type used in this unit let alone 192.

In fact, using the Kepler architecture makes the Tegra K1 sounds like a shrunk down laptop graphics card to begin with.

In fact we already have a full range of laptop graphics cards available that range all the way from below this to units that match top-of-the-range desktop graphics cards from a year or two ago.

clonmult · 07-01-2014, 08:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvanIV

Not for mobiles, tablets. I think that's where the specs wars will go. And maybe for iPhones

Apple wouldn't buy an off the shelf CPU/GPU combo. They'd take an off the shelf CPU/GPU combo, add on three instructions and call it a radical new design ....

flagpole · 07-01-2014, 11:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by clonmult

4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope.

But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen.

4k will probably first enter the consumer market in significant numbers on some kind of mobile device.

tablet probably. but mobiles will follow.

jonmorris · 07-01-2014, 11:50

Oh yes, 4K will come in a tablet soon enough.

If it comes on a phone, that would be stupid UNLESS the intention was to run native 4K games/content for outputting to a 4K TV.

And I am not sure I'd want to suffer the impact on battery life for the 99% of the time I wouldn't be hooked up to a TV.

IvanIV · 07-01-2014, 12:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by enapace

In fairness though a smartphone doesn't really need something like this but it clearly means that tablets could become gaming machines. I am going to be watching this a lot hopefully it gets paired with decent hardware and developers get behind it.

It's not a question of needing something, as an OEM you can't really reason that something is not needed. Competition comes with something, sells it as the next 'it' thing and you can only try to do better. And there's not much maneuvering space atm, Apple's innovations lately are: thinner, lighter, more pixels, more bits. 4K is coming to tablets I am sure and I would not be surprised if Apple came with 4K 4'' screens, too

jonmorris · 07-01-2014, 12:34

Apple doubles up every time (bar when it went for more of a widescreen ratio) so I guess the next step up will be pretty significant!

06-01-2014, 17:31	#1
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	The Future Of Mobile Gaming Has Arrived Nvidia last year designed one of the best CPU's of the year they have now gone even further now and have truly thrown down the gauntlet. I will let you all read the links this is the future and it has arrived now. http://www.droid-life.com/2014/01/05...re-super-chip/ http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ne-performance This completely blows Apple's A7 and Snapdragon's new 805 out of the water.I honestly am beyond words I seriously did not expect this and shocked beyond belief. If what they claim is true and honestly I kind of believe it is. Console gaming has now a serious competitor in the Gaming industry the technology is clearly now available and developers are already ready to use it. This is a huge step forward and Nvidia has shown they mean serious business completely throwing down the gauntlet.

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06-01-2014, 18:36	#2
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace This is a huge step forward and Nvidia has shown they mean serious business completely throwing down the gauntlet. It will be interesting to see hardware with this in, both the dual A15 and the dual A8 versions - and get Anandtech's review/benchmarks.

06-01-2014, 18:39	#3
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	These sound more like tablet chips than smartphone chips

06-01-2014, 18:48	#4
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier It will be interesting to see hardware with this in, both the dual A15 and the dual A8 versions - and get Anandtech's review/benchmarks. I completely agree with this can't wait see how these perform it certainly is a step forward though. The 64Bit version and the new ram that is around would make quite a powerful device. Quote: Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq These sound more like tablet chips than smartphone chips I can see why you would think that and I agree to an extent but going from tablet to smartphone is a far smaller leap than PC to Tablet.

06-01-2014, 18:55	#5
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Not really, since there are full PC tablets around. Difference in battery size between a full laptop PC and a tablet isn't much different than between a tablet and a smartphone. It might even be bigger.

06-01-2014, 19:24	#6
jchamier Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2000 Location: This forum Posts: 3,392	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace This completely blows Apple's A7 and Snapdragon's new 805 out of the water.I honestly am beyond words I seriously did not expect this and shocked beyond belief. Qualcomm have said Snapdragon 805 is a quick fix as Apple stunned them with the A7, and its not at all optimised. It will be interesting to see if Nvidia have jumped on 64bit with or without optimisation, and if Apple's A7 has more capability in the design already (which I suspect it has given the companies/people they bought to do CPU design).

06-01-2014, 21:15	#7
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier Qualcomm have said Snapdragon 805 is a quick fix as Apple stunned them with the A7, and its not at all optimised. It will be interesting to see if Nvidia have jumped on 64bit with or without optimisation, and if Apple's A7 has more capability in the design already (which I suspect it has given the companies/people they bought to do CPU design). The 64 bit design was already there, as it was designed by ARM and then licensed out. Apple just added a little on to the design, as probably 99% of the real work had already been done by ARM. The K1 is an interesting advance in mobile designs, but it doesn't offer desktop class GPU - at least not the current generation. K1 - 192 compute units. iirc, the desktop NVidia units have 5-10x that number of compute units. The PS4 has 1152 compute units ....

06-01-2014, 21:50	#8
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult The 64 bit design was already there, as it was designed by ARM and then licensed out. Apple just added a little on to the design, as probably 99% of the real work had already been done by ARM. The K1 is an interesting advance in mobile designs, but it doesn't offer desktop class GPU - at least not the current generation. K1 - 192 compute units. iirc, the desktop NVidia units have 5-10x that number of compute units. The PS4 has 1152 compute units .... It is certainly a step forward obviously advancements will continue to be made but I believe this is the best Mobile CPU certainly the best GPU at the moment.

06-01-2014, 22:03	#9
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	192 cores? A typical app is a sequential affair. Games can benefit from many cores to render 3D models, but 192 sounds like a gimmick.

06-01-2014, 22:08	#10
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by IvanIV 192 cores? A typical app is a sequential affair. Games can benefit from many cores to render 3D models, but 192 sounds like a gimmick. 192 GPU cores - not 192 CPU cores. Graphics tend to benefit from massively parallel processing. Definitely not a gimmick (unlike 64 bit - which for the moment is definitely a gimmick). With this processor in a mobile or tablet, connected to a TV via HDMI ... it'd make a fantastic pocketable games console.

06-01-2014, 22:16	#11
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult 192 GPU cores - not 192 CPU cores. Graphics tend to benefit from massively parallel processing. Definitely not a gimmick (unlike 64 bit - which for the moment is definitely a gimmick). With this processor in a mobile or tablet, connected to a TV via HDMI ... it'd make a fantastic pocketable games console. I misread that, so many GPUs makes sense, probably preparing for 4K and 8K UHD.

06-01-2014, 23:10	#12
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by IvanIV I misread that, so many GPUs makes sense, probably preparing for 4K and 8K UHD. 4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope. But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen.

07-01-2014, 02:32	#13
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult 4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope. But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen. Could also be used in laptops as a main problem with laptop is the size of graphics card. One of these chips must be equal to inter grated graphics or even better perhaps.

07-01-2014, 03:22	#14
The Lord Lucan Forum Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 4,966	5W power usage. I know there are some great battery tech improvements coming this year but this is Tablet only, unless under clocked to hell. Nvidia do have a habit of massive headline boasts...

07-01-2014, 04:03	#15
enapace Forum Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 4,249	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan 5W power usage. I know there are some great battery tech improvements coming this year but this is Tablet only, unless under clocked to hell. Nvidia do have a habit of massive headline boasts... In fairness though a smartphone doesn't really need something like this but it clearly means that tablets could become gaming machines. I am going to be watching this a lot hopefully it gets paired with decent hardware and developers get behind it.

07-01-2014, 05:48	#16
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult 4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope. But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen. Not for mobiles, tablets. I think that's where the specs wars will go. And maybe for iPhones

07-01-2014, 06:19	#17
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by The Lord Lucan 5W power usage. I know there are some great battery tech improvements coming this year but this is Tablet only, unless under clocked to hell. Nvidia do have a habit of massive headline boasts... I did say so in post #3 Now that you mention it, it's probably just "power" tablets too, not your average run-of-the-mill models. 5W is actually pretty high even for a tablet. With an iPad sized 25Wh battery you're still only looking at 3-4 hours of usage once you account for the screen and RAM and so on. Intel have a full 64-bit quad-core x86 CPU with integrated graphics built to a 2W design power. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-A....101427.0.html And although the Intel has inferior graphics power, it'll run the full desktop edition of Windows 8.1 and any existing Windows application.

07-01-2014, 06:24	#18
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by jchamier It will be interesting to see if Nvidia have jumped on 64bit with or without optimisation, and if Apple's A7 has more capability in the design already (which I suspect it has given the companies/people they bought to do CPU design). Well... Quote: Nvidia will offer the Tegra K1 in two versions; a 32-bit quad-core, 4-Plus-1 ARM Cortex A15 CPU, and a Nvidia designed 64-bit dual Super Core CPU. The 32-bit version is expected to appear in devices in the first half of 2014, while the 64-bit version is likely to appear towards the end of the year. µ

07-01-2014, 06:29	#19
qasdfdsaq Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 3,286	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace Could also be used in laptops as a main problem with laptop is the size of graphics card. One of these chips must be equal to inter grated graphics or even better perhaps. I really don't see this sorta crap as necessary in the laptop market. We already have decent laptop graphics chips based on the same architecture with over 1500 cores of the same type used in this unit let alone 192. In fact, using the Kepler architecture makes the Tegra K1 sounds like a shrunk down laptop graphics card to begin with. In fact we already have a full range of laptop graphics cards available that range all the way from below this to units that match top-of-the-range desktop graphics cards from a year or two ago.

07-01-2014, 08:27	#20
clonmult Forum Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,291	Quote: Originally Posted by IvanIV Not for mobiles, tablets. I think that's where the specs wars will go. And maybe for iPhones Apple wouldn't buy an off the shelf CPU/GPU combo. They'd take an off the shelf CPU/GPU combo, add on three instructions and call it a radical new design ....

07-01-2014, 11:21	#21
flagpole Inactive Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 43,524	Quote: Originally Posted by clonmult 4K. In a mobile??? I can understand that from a pure spec perspective, but in terms of actually being useful ... nope. But it'll allow for PS3/XBox 360 levels of graphics in games. Which will be utterly useless on a mobile. But would look stunning on a 10" 2560x1600 screen. 4k will probably first enter the consumer market in significant numbers on some kind of mobile device. tablet probably. but mobiles will follow.

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07-01-2014, 11:50	#22
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Oh yes, 4K will come in a tablet soon enough. If it comes on a phone, that would be stupid UNLESS the intention was to run native 4K games/content for outputting to a 4K TV. And I am not sure I'd want to suffer the impact on battery life for the 99% of the time I wouldn't be hooked up to a TV.

07-01-2014, 12:17	#23
IvanIV Forum Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 25,199	Quote: Originally Posted by enapace In fairness though a smartphone doesn't really need something like this but it clearly means that tablets could become gaming machines. I am going to be watching this a lot hopefully it gets paired with decent hardware and developers get behind it. It's not a question of needing something, as an OEM you can't really reason that something is not needed. Competition comes with something, sells it as the next 'it' thing and you can only try to do better. And there's not much maneuvering space atm, Apple's innovations lately are: thinner, lighter, more pixels, more bits. 4K is coming to tablets I am sure and I would not be surprised if Apple came with 4K 4'' screens, too

07-01-2014, 12:34	#24
jonmorris Forum Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: a land filled with trolls Posts: 12,018	Apple doubles up every time (bar when it went for more of a widescreen ratio) so I guess the next step up will be pretty significant!