They've been at a dance studio this morning to learn how to waltz according to Bonnie's Twitter.
Looking forward to a stress free Andrei dose tomorrow!
Looking forward to a stress free Andrei dose tomorrow!
Andrei and Bonnie
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Originally Posted by Sallyforth:
“Sorry to spoil the party, but not a fan of Bonnie' s presentation style, a bit showbizzy for my liking. Good on her for taking part and improving though. And nice to see Andrei back albeit because Mark sadly got injured again.”
“Sorry to spoil the party, but not a fan of Bonnie' s presentation style, a bit showbizzy for my liking. Good on her for taking part and improving though. And nice to see Andrei back albeit because Mark sadly got injured again.”
All the top 7 bar Beth and Kyran are in showbiz. Kyran is in the ice dancing biz himself. Sam, Ray, Bonnie, Suzanne and Hayley are all successful musical theatre performers which requires its own distinctive style. 4 have just come out of panto. Hayley and Bonnie, and Bonnie and Suzanne, have even played the same roles - Hayley and Bonnie recently.
So disappointed with this week's choreography - there was naothing Bonnie and Andrei could do with such a dull routine.
Shame on Chris and Jayne they're treating Bonnie and Andrei as though they're just there to make up the numbers - shame on them.
They're right to make this their last series - clearly they no longer have the imagination or skill to ensure the routines they choreograph give an equal opportunity to all competitors.
Shame on Chris and Jayne they're treating Bonnie and Andrei as though they're just there to make up the numbers - shame on them.
They're right to make this their last series - clearly they no longer have the imagination or skill to ensure the routines they choreograph give an equal opportunity to all competitors.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“So disappointed with this week's choreography - there was naothing Bonnie and Andrei could do with such a dull routine.
Shame on Chris and Jayne they're treating Bonnie and Andrei as though they're just there to make up the numbers - shame on them.
They're right to make this their last series - clearly they no longer have the imagination or skill to ensure the routines they choreograph give an equal opportunity to all competitors.”
“So disappointed with this week's choreography - there was naothing Bonnie and Andrei could do with such a dull routine.
Shame on Chris and Jayne they're treating Bonnie and Andrei as though they're just there to make up the numbers - shame on them.
They're right to make this their last series - clearly they no longer have the imagination or skill to ensure the routines they choreograph give an equal opportunity to all competitors.”
Me too. Bonnie can skate on her own as well as Hayley, but again they never gave her an opportunity to show that.
I put a couple of votes their way - hopefully they will miss out on the SO this week.
Originally Posted by Ignazio:
“So disappointed with this week's choreography - there was naothing Bonnie and Andrei could do with such a dull routine.
Shame on Chris and Jayne they're treating Bonnie and Andrei as though they're just there to make up the numbers - shame on them.
They're right to make this their last series - clearly they no longer have the imagination or skill to ensure the routines they choreograph give an equal opportunity to all competitors.”
“So disappointed with this week's choreography - there was naothing Bonnie and Andrei could do with such a dull routine.
Shame on Chris and Jayne they're treating Bonnie and Andrei as though they're just there to make up the numbers - shame on them.
They're right to make this their last series - clearly they no longer have the imagination or skill to ensure the routines they choreograph give an equal opportunity to all competitors.”
Tand D seem limited to one or two really good routines a week.
They are also using people for their skills differently.
Suzanne actually did a throw lift tonight - no one else can do that among the females - but she got a routine that went nowhere. She was then marked on how well she performed moves no one else was asked to do. Beth got a strong routine, with strong music, and a new lift - though not a very difficult one. Hayley got a dance routine she would be good at, to strong music, and then got higher marks for not convincing Jason she performed it well.
Bonnie got some big moves she did last show, and some carrying lifts and a meandering routine. You are right. it seems she's not wanted. With her acting and dance experience, she could any routine Hayley does - and her flexibility probably opens up many of Beth's moves as options too.
I'm voting for Bonnie and Andrei love him and amazed at her for her age especially when she has not skated since last time 
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Tand D seem limited to one or two really good routines a week.
They are also using people for their skills differently.
Suzanne actually did a throw lift tonight - no one else can do that among the females - but she got a routine that went nowhere. She was then marked on how well she performed moves no one else was asked to do. Beth got a strong routine, with strong music, and a new lift - though not a very difficult one. Hayley got a dance routine she would be good at, to strong music, and then got higher marks for not convincing Jason she performed it well.
Bonnie got some big moves she did last show, and some carrying lifts and a meandering routine. You are right. it seems she's not wanted. With her acting and dance experience, she could any routine Hayley does - and her flexibility probably opens up many of Beth's moves as options too.”
“Tand D seem limited to one or two really good routines a week.
They are also using people for their skills differently.
Suzanne actually did a throw lift tonight - no one else can do that among the females - but she got a routine that went nowhere. She was then marked on how well she performed moves no one else was asked to do. Beth got a strong routine, with strong music, and a new lift - though not a very difficult one. Hayley got a dance routine she would be good at, to strong music, and then got higher marks for not convincing Jason she performed it well.
Bonnie got some big moves she did last show, and some carrying lifts and a meandering routine. You are right. it seems she's not wanted. With her acting and dance experience, she could any routine Hayley does - and her flexibility probably opens up many of Beth's moves as options too.”
Actually, it was a very difficult lift - hence why it had never been done on the show before. It's very similar to the standard/type of lifts competing pairs skaters have to do.
And I'm not sure I agree that only Suzanne could do a throw jump, I think Beth and possibly Hayley could manage just as well (2 footed landing)
Bonnie is great for her age and has always been a great performer, but her skating skills are still sadly lacking. I know she did some skating on her own, but it all looked very tentative and uneasy. There's no way she could skate around the ice in the same way as the likes of Hayley or Zaraah, to say nothing of the celeb guys who have to be steady enough to lift their pro partners.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Bonnie is great for her age and has always been a great performer, but her skating skills are still sadly lacking. I know she did some skating on her own, but it all looked very tentative and uneasy. There's no way she could skate around the ice in the same way as the likes of Hayley or Zaraah, to say nothing of the celeb guys who have to be steady enough to lift their pro partners.”
“Bonnie is great for her age and has always been a great performer, but her skating skills are still sadly lacking. I know she did some skating on her own, but it all looked very tentative and uneasy. There's no way she could skate around the ice in the same way as the likes of Hayley or Zaraah, to say nothing of the celeb guys who have to be steady enough to lift their pro partners.”
I agree, she's great at skating holding onto her partner and one of the best at being lifted and swung around but her solo skating has never been as good as some.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“Bonnie is great for her age and has always been a great performer, but her skating skills are still sadly lacking. I know she did some skating on her own, but it all looked very tentative and uneasy. There's no way she could skate around the ice in the same way as the likes of Hayley or Zaraah, to say nothing of the celeb guys who have to be steady enough to lift their pro partners.”
“Bonnie is great for her age and has always been a great performer, but her skating skills are still sadly lacking. I know she did some skating on her own, but it all looked very tentative and uneasy. There's no way she could skate around the ice in the same way as the likes of Hayley or Zaraah, to say nothing of the celeb guys who have to be steady enough to lift their pro partners.”
That was 8 series ago. Her solo skating is fine. She's also pretty good on her feet - she's one of the real challengers to Hayley at spinning which is one of Hayley's relative strengths. You can see her do that on the VTs they have been showing. She was just given slow music this week, and a slow dancing routine, with lots of lifts. The dance was more a waltz rather than a quick step, so she ends up moving at the appropriate spped , and in contact with her partner. The big lifts were those she did last week in her skate off routine, and many others were simple carrying lifts - like those Dan does again and again with Hayley.
It looks like just lazy choregraphy. There's no reason why she couldn't skate around alone doing fewer big lifts like Zaraah, or add to her lift repertoire like Beth and Suzanne have. She added to her big lift in her skate off routine - showing there was potential there. There's every reason to think she could do a dance routine like Hayley's better than Zaraah or Beth. Indeed, she could probably do any of Hayley's dance routines ,and put a bigger lift in at the end of them than Hayley has ever managed.
I think they see her in the same category as the other non winners - worth seeing again , but not in contention. They seem more interested in ensuring that the competition between the winners looks a real one, and are marking, choregraphing, and focused, accordingly.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“That was 8 series ago. Her solo skating is fine. She's also pretty good on her feet - she's one of the real challengers to Hayley at spinning which is one of Hayley's relative strengths. You can see her do that on the VTs they have been showing. She was just given slow music this week, and a slow dancing routine, with lots of lifts. The dance was more a waltz rather than a quick step, so she ends up moving at the appropriate spped , and in contact with her partner. The big lifts were those she did last week in her skate off routine, and many others were simple carrying lifts - like those Dan does again and again with Hayley.
It looks like just lazy choregraphy. There's no reason why she couldn't skate around alone doing fewer big lifts like Zaraah, or add to her lift repertoire like Beth and Suzanne have. She added to her big lift in her skate off routine - showing there was potential there. There's every reason to think she could do a dance routine like Hayley's better than Zaraah or Beth. Indeed, she could probably do any of Hayley's dance routines ,and put a bigger lift in at the end of them than Hayley has ever managed.
I think they see her in the same category as the other non winners - worth seeing again , but not in contention. They seem more interested in ensuring that the competition between the winners looks a real one, and are marking, choregraphing, and focused, accordingly.”
“That was 8 series ago. Her solo skating is fine. She's also pretty good on her feet - she's one of the real challengers to Hayley at spinning which is one of Hayley's relative strengths. You can see her do that on the VTs they have been showing. She was just given slow music this week, and a slow dancing routine, with lots of lifts. The dance was more a waltz rather than a quick step, so she ends up moving at the appropriate spped , and in contact with her partner. The big lifts were those she did last week in her skate off routine, and many others were simple carrying lifts - like those Dan does again and again with Hayley.
It looks like just lazy choregraphy. There's no reason why she couldn't skate around alone doing fewer big lifts like Zaraah, or add to her lift repertoire like Beth and Suzanne have. She added to her big lift in her skate off routine - showing there was potential there. There's every reason to think she could do a dance routine like Hayley's better than Zaraah or Beth. Indeed, she could probably do any of Hayley's dance routines ,and put a bigger lift in at the end of them than Hayley has ever managed.
I think they see her in the same category as the other non winners - worth seeing again , but not in contention. They seem more interested in ensuring that the competition between the winners looks a real one, and are marking, choregraphing, and focused, accordingly.”
Agree with this - her solo skating is absolutely fine, I just think there are some who can't see past her first series. And the dull routine this week did nothing to help.
I wonder if the 'save me skate' is being choreographed by the pro-partners and celebs the way it was last year instead of by T&D? That maybe why her SO skate 2 weeks ago looked so much better with great lifts.
Andrei is a figure skating club coach in Billingham - he will be well used to having to choreograph 90 sec routines (and if he coaches NISA level 3 and above they will be longer than that) from scratch for his pupils, showcasing their abilities and strengths.
I'm sure the majority of pros on have the ability to choreograph a 90 sec routine, they should have more input.
I think Andrei is such a lovely guy but I can't stand Bonnie, it is her permanent grin that annoys me.
I love Bonnie. Always have done. She's a true professional and doesn't rely on sob stories in order to be a success. Seeing her break down in training last night was so rare. As she said, "I normally do that at home!". She's a beautiful mover, too, even if her actual skating isn't as strong as the others.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“That was 8 series ago. Her solo skating is fine. .”
“That was 8 series ago. Her solo skating is fine. .”
When I said when Bonnie skated alone she looked tentative etc., I wasn't referring to the previous series she did, but to what she did this week.
Originally Posted by kaycee:
“When I said when Bonnie skated alone she looked tentative etc., I wasn't referring to the previous series she did, but to what she did this week.”
“When I said when Bonnie skated alone she looked tentative etc., I wasn't referring to the previous series she did, but to what she did this week.”
I agree. Her skating has improved since series 1 but this week it was a bit ropey. She just looked below par this week across the board.
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“I agree. Her skating has improved since series 1 but this week it was a bit ropey. She just looked below par this week across the board.”
“I agree. Her skating has improved since series 1 but this week it was a bit ropey. She just looked below par this week across the board.”
imo that had more to do with C&J's lazy choreography than Bonnie's skating skills.
And the fact that she'd had a bad week - they were both relieved to get the performance out of the way I think.
I'm sure she'll bounce back this week
It's weird. Both Bonnie and Hayley have the 'stage school smiles'.
Hayley irritates me but Bonnie doesn't
It's weird. Both Bonnie and Hayley have the 'stage school smiles'.
Hayley irritates me but Bonnie doesn't
Originally Posted by Patti-Ann:
“I'm sure she'll bounce back this week
It's weird. Both Bonnie and Hayley have the 'stage school smiles'.
Hayley irritates me but Bonnie doesn't”
“I'm sure she'll bounce back this week
It's weird. Both Bonnie and Hayley have the 'stage school smiles'.
Hayley irritates me but Bonnie doesn't
”
For me it's the other way round. I see Hayley's big grin as genuine, while Bonnie comes across as false.
But it's all in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? Wouldn't do for us all to agree.
Originally Posted by Patti-Ann:
“I'm sure she'll bounce back this week
It's weird. Both Bonnie and Hayley have the 'stage school smiles'.
Hayley irritates me but Bonnie doesn't”
“I'm sure she'll bounce back this week
It's weird. Both Bonnie and Hayley have the 'stage school smiles'.
Hayley irritates me but Bonnie doesn't
”
I agree, I really like Bonnie and the fact she is paired with Andrei is a bonus. I hope they stay a few more weeks, I would love them to be on the tour but I doubt they will be.
Originally Posted by d0lphin:
“I agree, I really like Bonnie and the fact she is paired with Andrei is a bonus. I hope they stay a few more weeks, I would love them to be on the tour but I doubt they will be.”
“I agree, I really like Bonnie and the fact she is paired with Andrei is a bonus. I hope they stay a few more weeks, I would love them to be on the tour but I doubt they will be.”
Assuming it's 8 couples doing the tour as in previous years they have a reasonable chance I'd say. It may come down to who lasts longer out of her & Zaraah
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“Assuming it's 8 couples doing the tour as in previous years they have a reasonable chance I'd say. It may come down to who lasts longer out of her & Zaraah”
“Assuming it's 8 couples doing the tour as in previous years they have a reasonable chance I'd say. It may come down to who lasts longer out of her & Zaraah”
Sam has a musical to go back to full time till May. He would have to miss more than 2 performances a week to do the tour? The soap people would be a problem I should think - at least for every show. Bonnie is exciting to watch - silly not to use her.
Originally Posted by thenetworkbabe:
“Sam has a musical to go back to full time till May. He would have to miss more than 2 performances a week to do the tour? The soap people would be a problem I should think - at least for every show. Bonnie is exciting to watch - silly not to use her.”
“Sam has a musical to go back to full time till May. He would have to miss more than 2 performances a week to do the tour? The soap people would be a problem I should think - at least for every show. Bonnie is exciting to watch - silly not to use her.”
Maybe Sam has an agreement to take a few weeks off whilst doing the DOI tour. There is usually an even spit of celebrities by gender so I imagine the boys will be Ray, Kyran, Sam & Gareth. Now Gareth might not be that exciting to watch but he has a loyal fan base, some of whom may well buy tickets for the tour just because he's doing it. The tour is about putting bums on seats at the end of the day so I could see him being wanted by the tour promoters.
I'm sure Hayley will be doing the tour along with Suzanne & Beth. In all probability that leaves 1 space for Bonnie or Zaraah.
Originally Posted by Tiger Rose:
“Maybe Sam has an agreement to take a few weeks off whilst doing the DOI tour. There is usually an even spit of celebrities by gender so I imagine the boys will be Ray, Kyran, Sam & Gareth. Now Gareth might not be that exciting to watch but he has a loyal fan base, some of whom may well buy tickets for the tour just because he's doing it. The tour is about putting bums on seats at the end of the day so I could see him being wanted by the tour promoters.
I'm sure Hayley will be doing the tour along with Suzanne & Beth. In all probability that leaves 1 space for Bonnie or Zaraah.”
“Maybe Sam has an agreement to take a few weeks off whilst doing the DOI tour. There is usually an even spit of celebrities by gender so I imagine the boys will be Ray, Kyran, Sam & Gareth. Now Gareth might not be that exciting to watch but he has a loyal fan base, some of whom may well buy tickets for the tour just because he's doing it. The tour is about putting bums on seats at the end of the day so I could see him being wanted by the tour promoters.
I'm sure Hayley will be doing the tour along with Suzanne & Beth. In all probability that leaves 1 space for Bonnie or Zaraah.”
If I had booked tickets for 7 Brides, just going on the advertising, I would already be annoyed that Sam, the advertised lead, wasn't there for the two biggest shows of the week on Saturdays. Actually It doesn't matter to me in terms of the performance - as the shows strengths are elsewhere- but it will for others, when the tickets have been sold partly on the name. If he vanishes for complete tour stops, there's going to be a lot of annoyed people, and some complaints. He's the one there to attract fans and media coverage - it would be pretty remarkable if he didn't turn up.
i doubt if the tour would go out without a comedy act, and Joe may still be back in Spamalot, so that may mean Todd - who is teh bigger act anyway? Gareth is very dull, but he may have a useful fanbase. Kyran v Ray is enough of a male competition, and they can both do things Sam can't. The hype for Zaraah suggest she might be in the tour too, but I think Bonnie can do do more things, better.
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