I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions. 
Jim quite accurately explaining Nuclear Deterrents
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Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“The UK nuclear deterrent is less about security and more about politics. While we continue to have a deterrent, our position on the UN permanent security membership is assured. In other words it gives us greater influence in the world and allows us to "play with the big boys". Any security benefits the deterrent may offer are purely a secondary bonus.”
“The UK nuclear deterrent is less about security and more about politics. While we continue to have a deterrent, our position on the UN permanent security membership is assured. In other words it gives us greater influence in the world and allows us to "play with the big boys". Any security benefits the deterrent may offer are purely a secondary bonus.”
spot on
Originally Posted by X-Digit-Xx:
“I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions.”
“I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions.
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We haven't had NUCLEAR war. Are ye not reading the posts?
Originally Posted by X-Digit-Xx:
“I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions.”
“I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions.
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It's highly unlikely there will ever be world peace in the sense that there will never be any more conflicts and we will all live in complete harmony. But they aren't nuclear wars which is the topic.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“It's highly unlikely there will ever be world peace in the sense that there will never be any more conflicts and we will all live in complete harmony. But they aren't nuclear wars which is the topic.
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“It's highly unlikely there will ever be world peace in the sense that there will never be any more conflicts and we will all live in complete harmony. But they aren't nuclear wars which is the topic.
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Unless you include the use of depleted uranium shells which were enthusiastically dropped upon Iraq.
Originally Posted by 21stCenturyBoy:
“Who'd have though it, Jim quite succinctly explaining why we need to maintain a stockpile of Nuclear Weapons!”
“Who'd have though it, Jim quite succinctly explaining why we need to maintain a stockpile of Nuclear Weapons!”
Absolute ignorance.
The same companies sell the weapons to BOTH SIDES. Just like in wars the same bankers fund both sides. It is all a game.
Originally Posted by X-Digit-Xx:
“I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions.”
“I didn't know we had had peace for the last 50 years either, I guess the falklands war, vietnam, korean war, Iraq & Afghanistan etc were all peaceful occasions.
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You forget the atrocities in central america where the CIA is guilty of genocide!
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Unless you include the use of depleted uranium shells which were enthusiastically dropped upon Iraq.”
“Unless you include the use of depleted uranium shells which were enthusiastically dropped upon Iraq.”
Fair point; though it's still not a full-scale nuclear war. Dirty bombs have the potential to seriously compromise the health of future generations and the US should be more vigorously taken to task on their use.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“Fair point; though it's still not a full-scale nuclear war. Dirty bombs have the potential to seriously compromise the health of future generations and the US should be more vigorously taken to task on their use.”
“Fair point; though it's still not a full-scale nuclear war. Dirty bombs have the potential to seriously compromise the health of future generations and the US should be more vigorously taken to task on their use.”
Have you noticed so called 'environmentalists' who happen to be celebs NEVER challenge the authorities on wars, depleted uranium etc even though that is a major issue for the environment? No they would rather target the general public with carbon taxes so their masters can get trillions.
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“Unless you include the use of depleted uranium shells which were enthusiastically dropped upon Iraq.”
“Unless you include the use of depleted uranium shells which were enthusiastically dropped upon Iraq.”
I am alluding to a total nuclear war. The kind where if I push the button you will also.
It a deterrent in that kind of way.
A bit like and excuse this example......I would think twice about socking Evender on the chin as I know what the consequences could be. Therefore he would be my deterrent to try and keep the peace.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“We haven't had NUCLEAR war. Are ye not reading the posts?”
“We haven't had NUCLEAR war. Are ye not reading the posts?”
I think we'd all know (even Lee Ryan might have noticed) if there'd been a nuclear war, but it hasn't been the great deterrent to conflicts that it's sold as. It's just big business and global smoke and mirrors shenanigans.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“I am alluding to a total nuclear war. The kind where if I push the button you will also.
It a deterrent in that kind of way.
A bit like and excuse this example......I would think twice about socking Evender on the chin as I know what the consequences could be. Therefore he would be my deterrent to try and keep the peace.
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“I am alluding to a total nuclear war. The kind where if I push the button you will also.
It a deterrent in that kind of way.
A bit like and excuse this example......I would think twice about socking Evender on the chin as I know what the consequences could be. Therefore he would be my deterrent to try and keep the peace.
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Yeah right.
Get real.
Originally Posted by michaelkegnan:
“Yeah right.
Get real.”
“Yeah right.
Get real.”
If you don't like my opinion that is absolutely fine. There is no need to be insulting.
You should learn to respect others opinions, even if they differ from your own.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“I am alluding to a total nuclear war. The kind where if I push the button you will also.
It a deterrent in that kind of way.
A bit like and excuse this example......I would think twice about socking Evender on the chin as I know what the consequences could be. Therefore he would be my deterrent to try and keep the peace.
”
“I am alluding to a total nuclear war. The kind where if I push the button you will also.
It a deterrent in that kind of way.
A bit like and excuse this example......I would think twice about socking Evender on the chin as I know what the consequences could be. Therefore he would be my deterrent to try and keep the peace.
”
Yeah because fanatics and extremists think rationally like that
Originally Posted by Panda Eyes:
“I think we'd all know (even Lee Ryan might have noticed) if there'd been a nuclear war, but it hasn't been the great deterrent to conflicts that it's sold as. It's just big business and global smoke and mirrors shenanigans.”
“I think we'd all know (even Lee Ryan might have noticed) if there'd been a nuclear war, but it hasn't been the great deterrent to conflicts that it's sold as. It's just big business and global smoke and mirrors shenanigans.”
Indeed. When the rich wage war it's the poor that die. War is a racket. Both sides are working together.
Churchill was a eugenicist funded by the same people who funded Hitler but i digress.
We stop wars by telling our representatives we don't want them. Syria was avoided just and warmonger like John Kerry are still pushing for it. ALL wars are planned decades in advance for specific goals.
£200 billion on weapons goes to where? ELITISTS who control weapon companies; the same people who control the private banks. War is great for them.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“If you don't like my opinion that is absolutely fine. There is no need to be insulting.
You should learn to respect others opinions, even if they differ from your own.
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“If you don't like my opinion that is absolutely fine. There is no need to be insulting.
You should learn to respect others opinions, even if they differ from your own.
”
I don't respect anyone who wants to fund weapons or wage war.
Originally Posted by Panda Eyes:
“Yeah because fanatics and extremists think rationally like that”
“Yeah because fanatics and extremists think rationally like that
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Who funds them? Where do their weapons come from? Is there a manufacturer in a cave somewhere?
Originally Posted by michaelkegnan:
“I don't respect anyone who wants to fund weapons or wage war.”
“I don't respect anyone who wants to fund weapons or wage war.”
It may shock you to learn it isn't actually me who is funding or waging war.
I'm merely giving my own opinion on the subject. Therefore, I suggest you inform those that are making these funding decisions etc to 'get real' and not myself personally.
Michael - with the greatest of respect; you're veering way off the point here. The real concern at the moment is black market trading of existing weapons. Nuclear weapons are rarely used; so there's no great need for renewed manufacture. Security of existing weapon stocks is much more important; and most worrying is the depletion of the taboo - particularly in relation to non-state actors. The governments of the West have little or no control over this illegal trade in weapons.
Originally Posted by michaelkegnan:
“Who funds them? Where do their weapons come from? Is there a manufacturer in a cave somewhere?”
“Who funds them? Where do their weapons come from? Is there a manufacturer in a cave somewhere?”
There are certainly dealers in caves; and manufacturers of chemical weapons. But, as I said, off the point of nuclear deterrence.
Originally Posted by michaelkegnan:
“Indeed. When the rich wage war it's the poor that die. War is a racket. Both sides are working together.
Churchill was a eugenicist funded by the same people who funded Hitler but i digress.
We stop wars by telling our representatives we don't want them. Syria was avoided just and warmonger like John Kerry are still pushing for it. ALL wars are planned decades in advance for specific goals.
£200 billion on weapons goes to where? ELITISTS who control weapon companies; the same people who control the private banks. War is great for them.”
“Indeed. When the rich wage war it's the poor that die. War is a racket. Both sides are working together.
Churchill was a eugenicist funded by the same people who funded Hitler but i digress.
We stop wars by telling our representatives we don't want them. Syria was avoided just and warmonger like John Kerry are still pushing for it. ALL wars are planned decades in advance for specific goals.
£200 billion on weapons goes to where? ELITISTS who control weapon companies; the same people who control the private banks. War is great for them.”
I'll wait with bated breath for the day those poor folk in NK stand up and do that.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“It may shock you to learn it isn't actually me who is funding or waging war.
I'm merely giving my own opinion on the subject. Therefore, I suggest you inform those that are making these funding decisions etc to 'get real' and not myself personally.
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“It may shock you to learn it isn't actually me who is funding or waging war.
I'm merely giving my own opinion on the subject. Therefore, I suggest you inform those that are making these funding decisions etc to 'get real' and not myself personally.
”
The public need to know WE have power; when we say jump the politicians should jump. It is about time people started to realize that and not accept what they are spoon fed.
There is a book you should read 'War is a racket'.
Sorry if the harsh words 'get' and 'real' caused some emotional anguish and pain.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“I'll wait with bated breath for the day those poor folk in NK stand up and do that.
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“I'll wait with bated breath for the day those poor folk in NK stand up and do that.
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The people there are condition to be tame and obedient. We are being conditioned to which is exactly why i like outrageous comics, TV shows etc. PC is not there to help protect anyone; it exists to limit our expression of our views.
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“There are certainly dealers in caves; and manufacturers of chemical weapons. But, as I said, off the point of nuclear deterrence.”
“There are certainly dealers in caves; and manufacturers of chemical weapons. But, as I said, off the point of nuclear deterrence.”
Really? Come on now. It is not off the point. Nuclear weapons make money; huge amounts of money. War is a racket. That is it.
Originally Posted by BlueStreak:
“If you don't like my opinion that is absolutely fine. There is no need to be insulting.
You should learn to respect others opinions, even if they differ from your own.
”
“If you don't like my opinion that is absolutely fine. There is no need to be insulting.
You should learn to respect others opinions, even if they differ from your own.
”
Could I just mention your apt user name for this discussion
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