Nope. Politics is in everything. That conversation between Jim and Liz was political.

Just as it was getting interesting-----they 'the producers?' --cut to the crap.

Speaking as a relatively old'un, I've been there, done that (being a young sexual being) but even in my youth, I would have preferred a conversation involving people who can string a relatively articulate sentence together,to be on the telly.

(Sorry. Very inarticulate at the moment owing to alcohol, but basically agree with op)

The conversation between Liz and Jim seemed to be going around and around from one topic to another without any real conclusion. The fact Lee left does not mean he is shallow, it just shows he was bored with the never ending debating and when they moved onto another topic he just left when he could.

I doubt anyone in there could locate Syria on a map

Quite

That's the way conversations often go, though; and that's not necessarily a bad thing. For instance, we learned that Jim believes that a nuclear detterent is a good thing and that Liz, for all her opinions, was kind of stumped on that point.

I found Jim fascinating, actually, in that brief snippet. He pointed out how much Evander has contributed individually. The gist of what he(and Evander) was saying was that individuals can make individual contributions but its naively idealistic to think that one person can change the whole human mindset. You just do what you can do. Particularly interesting when he asked if Liz had ever paid £50 for a Big Issue.

We have Jim and Evander with their controversial views who appear to believe in individual acts of generosity. We have Liz who believes that humans are horrible creatures but rathers to extend her generosity to animals rather than her fellow human beings.

Luisa also voiced another perspective when she pointed out that a great many people are inherently selfish and insular and won't be changed by criticism from the likes of Liz.

I wish we had more of this to work with rather than having to see Nappy snog a rubber duck.

I don't think that's true - to be fair to them. I'm sure at least Liz, Luisa, Jim and Evander (given that he's worked specifically on that charity) could.

^this^

I'd love to see Jim challenging Evander on some of his daft views. All Evander talks about is this and that should happen because that's what it says in the bible. I think Jim and the others that are sometimes with him would provide a good debate about world issues that this government is making a mess of.

I agree 100%.


Lee couldn't wait to get outside for a fag and have a laugh to Jasmine about Casey saying he 'was going for a fag with his girlfriend' ( meaning Jasmine ) Oh how hilarious

[quote=Alrightmate;70677097]This guy has been on charity fundraisers like Children in Need.
I am probably a little more cynical than most as I often wonder if even half of the celebrities taking part in charidee events do it because they're genuinely altruistic and sincerely care about other people's problems in the world who are less fortunate than most of us.

It's called PR (Public Relations to those outside of the constructed facade that is fame)

Strictly business

Don't forget the elephants! He doesn't like that - http://www.virginmedia.com/music/pic...cal.php?ssid=5

Poor Lee he really struggles with that conversation thing some people do.

I would prefer more adult conversation. Do people take much longer to grow up now? Watching the adult "kids" in the bathroom,a lot of that is usually a part of adolescence, some of it even earlier. Fun at the time, then we get on with and enjoy the real thingThat was all for the cameras of course.
I would never take away someones efforts , financial or otherwise for charity. I don't expect anything other than the attitude Lee demonstrated, from him. He's on the hunt for totty, nothing else. Liz is the opposite end of the spectrum , an angst ridden, professional rescuer because of her idealism and also needs to grow up and accept reality. She seems quite startled by anyone not deeply depressed by the world. Some deep seated personal issues there. Her isolated life style speaks volumes and this experience, forced to be amongst more balanced and mature adults(in some cases), could do her good. Her comment about feeling safe in the house was revealing and rather poignant.

There is one housemate who can deliver both genital tingles and decent conversation, amongst other things like intrigue, bitching and manipulation...



Lee's just a numbnut. By all rights he should go before the other boychild Nappy. (Nappy's a good nickname, well done whoever that was.)

The thing with Lee is that he actually loves discussions like this. If you look at any other reality TV shows he has been in, he's usually the person who starts discussions like this. He's always out spoken on Twitter too.

In my opinion, he was just trying to show off infront of Casey.

Better to be thought stupid than to open the mouth and removing all doubt

He fled quickly to the garden for a ciggie., as obviously the content of the conversation was too intelligent and topical , over his head obviously- love the "Nappy" term, I have been calling him "Dippy" to annoy the kids

You're kidding me right? Lee has to be one of the stupidest people to express an opinion in a long time.

His comments not long after 911 when he moaned that people were getting somewhat sidetracked from the slightly more important issues like elephant's dying is just one case in point.

The man is a fool. Being 'outspoken' is not a sign of a deep thinking academic, who can engage in meaningful debate. Well not in this case anyway.

I've never said he was the brightest crayon in the box. However, Lee does like to discuss things like this - whether he is a deep thinker or not is sort of irrelevent!

With respect it's not really irrelevant is it? Claiming to like discussions like this and then him displaying the polar opposite, and almost running away as soon as Jim mentioned Syrian refugees sort of goes against your claim.

Secondly who cares and/or what relevance is it if he likes those discussions? If you have nothing but outlandish twaddle to contribute (and I of course refer to Mr Ryan here not your good-self) then what use is that to anyone?

It's certainly not an attribute worthy of even a modicum of praise in my book.

My point is that Lee was showing off infront of Casey. Similar to how it's seen as "cool" to be a moron in school

Who says that a conversation about a topic has to come to a real conclusion?

They rarely do on here

Good post Not anything to add, agree with all you say and with your OP.

Oh, and I'll never look at a rubber duck in the same way again