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Luisa's outlook on life - inspirational?
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An Thropologist
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by jeanoj:
“Sometimes it is better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you are a fool rather than opening it and prove it beyond doubt.”

Nice comment
jeanoj
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“Nice comment ”

Thanks
Penny Crayon
07-01-2014
If Luisa is an inspiration and what people aspire to be I find it all a bit depressing. She comes over as a selfish, outspoken, tacky individual. Personally I can't see any good/nice/pleasant side to her. I saw her being incredibly manipulative in the Apprentice and i think she is already manipulating things in the house thus far.

Not really my sort of person. We're all different and have our own likes and dislikes but I find nothing inspirational about her. So far she has watched, planned and seems to be acting to a plan. I know she is meticulously organised and I imagine that she has a plan of action. I'm looking forward to the inevitable twists and turns - it'll be interesting to see what she's made of when it becomes more unpredictable and her facade and carefully manufactured persona begins to crumble. It happens to all of them at some point but I think she'll be the most interesting to observe. I think her persona is particularly contrived.

Sorry for the rambling!
flower 2
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“If Luisa is an inspiration and what people aspire to be I find it all a bit depressing. She comes over as a selfish, outspoken, tacky individual. Personally I can't see any good/nice/pleasant side to her. I saw her being incredibly manipulative in the Apprentice and i think she is already manipulating things in the house thus far.

Not really my sort of person. We're all different and have our own likes and dislikes but I find nothing inspirational about her. So far she has watched, planned and seems to be acting to a plan. I know she is meticulously organised and I imagine that she has a plan of action. I'm looking forward to the inevitable twists and turns - it'll be interesting to see what she's made of when it becomes more unpredictable and her facade and carefully manufactured persona begins to crumble. It happens to all of them at some point but I think she'll be the most interesting to observe. I think her persona is particularly contrived.

Sorry for the rambling!”

Ramble on, I agree with every word you have rambled so far.
YesNoMan
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“If Luisa is an inspiration and what people aspire to be I find it all a bit depressing.”

Don't be depressed if you don't need to be. Look at things positively. She's ten times the role model Katie Price was.
whatever54
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“The thing is I doubt that Luisa does if her statement that she has a highly successful business is true. In business tact and diplomacy are essential attributes and one bites one's tongue more often than not.”

I am not convinced by this successful business woman thing, I think she has rich parents and is doing ok for the moment. I can't forget her whole 'where should the apostrophe be in Bakers Toolkit?' & then 'thanks for the advice guys but I like it where it is and don't care if it's incorrect'
jak frost
07-01-2014
She's one of the most desperate wannabies I think I've ever seen.

Trying WAY too hard to be shocking and controversial. Her daughter must be so proud...
Jennifer_F
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“So she just says it as it is ......she doesn't care. Has she said it to Lee and Casey? No - she's simply bitching and calling it something else.

There is nothing wrong with considering others feelings and being pleasant. To say 'I really don't care' is rather a selfish and hard faced attitude to life and people in general I think.

What is wrong with being considerate of others feelings?”

Quite agree with you Penny, but there are seemingly more and more people around that are this way, these days.
snariek
07-01-2014
I think a lot of people share Luisa's outlook on life. The difference is she's not afraid to admit it. I mean when you look back over this thread the people who are blasting Luisa are the same ones telling others that what they write is laughable and utter gibberish.
snariek
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by whatever54:
“I am not convinced by this successful business woman thing, I think she has rich parents and is doing ok for the moment. I can't forget her whole 'where should the apostrophe be in Bakers Toolkit?' & then 'thanks for the advice guys but I like it where it is and don't care if it's incorrect'”

You mean that time she had her business trending on twitter and being spoken about in the press before it even launched? That wasn't a smart business move at all.
haphash
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“So she just says it as it is ......she doesn't care. Has she said it to Lee and Casey? No - she's simply bitching and calling it something else.

There is nothing wrong with considering others feelings and being pleasant. To say 'I really don't care' is rather a selfish and hard faced attitude to life and people in general I think.

What is wrong with being considerate of others feelings?”

Well said. I can't understand why anyone would think it admirable to bitch about other people and blatantly say they don't care about the feelings of others.
max_gibbs
07-01-2014
Theres always atleast one knobhead in the house ever year who keeps saying..' I say it how it is' or 'I say what i see' or 'Im just being honest' etc...

This year it happens to be Luisa.. Ofcourse it never occurs to them that what they see or determine things to be is really a crock of shit and riddled with malice and hypocrisy. And blatantly untrue a lot of times...
It takes someone who lacks any sort of self awareness to have that level of narcissism and has to repeat how honest they are about their views
muggins14
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Well, my hatred towards Linda is justified, although I know you don't think so. She was trying to plant seeds, implying that Luisa was bitching in a malicious way - which wasn't true at all!”

I think most of us could see that she was advising Luisa that she might not be coming across well to the audience if she starts maliciously gossiping and spreading that gossip around the house. Luisa, in my humble opinion, was the one planting seeds. She'd said that people having a showmance had the possibility of winning, so wanted to make sure it didn't look good, before she proceeded to flirt with Jas for the rest of the show(mance )
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I really don't think she was you know. In my opinion it was a fairly light hearted exchange where if anything Linda was trying to watch Luisa's back a bit. Luisa certainly seemed to take it as an amicable exchange with kindly meant if unwanted advice.”

I agree.
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“If Luisa is an inspiration and what people aspire to be I find it all a bit depressing. She comes over as a selfish, outspoken, tacky individual. Personally I can't see any good/nice/pleasant side to her. I saw her being incredibly manipulative in the Apprentice and i think she is already manipulating things in the house thus far.

Not really my sort of person. We're all different and have our own likes and dislikes but I find nothing inspirational about her. So far she has watched, planned and seems to be acting to a plan. I know she is meticulously organised and I imagine that she has a plan of action. I'm looking forward to the inevitable twists and turns - it'll be interesting to see what she's made of when it becomes more unpredictable and her facade and carefully manufactured persona begins to crumble. It happens to all of them at some point but I think she'll be the most interesting to observe. I think her persona is particularly contrived.

Sorry for the rambling!”

I agree with you absolutely. I didn't know anything about her until I read this thread. It seems that she made the most of being on The Apprentice by tounting the press with naked pictures and photos from her Facebook page. She became known as the 'fame hungry' one who many believed was on the show not for the job, but to become a 'celebrity'. Well that worked, welcome to the z-list
Originally Posted by max_gibbs:
“Theres always atleast one knobhead in the house ever year who keeps saying..' I say it how it is' or 'I say what i see' or 'Im just being honest' etc...

This year it happens to be Luisa.. Ofcourse it never occurs to them that what they see or determine things to be is really a crock of shit and riddled with malice and hypocrisy. And blatantly untrue a lot of times...
It takes someone who lacks any sort of self awareness to have that level of narcissism and has to repeat how honest they are about their views”

Nicely said
rancidbeings
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“So in the highlights show we heard Luisa giving the Nolan a well-deserved dressing down. She revealed her priorities in life, such as her career, her house, her family and friends. She said she doesn't care if people think she's a bitch and she says what she thinks to people regardless of whether they want to hear it or not.

Personally, I think more people should be like this. There are too many Linda's in the world who think they have to put on a "fake nice" so that they're not seen as a bitch.

Does this "don't like what I have to say, then f*** off" attitude make Luisa a bitch? No I think it makes her honest! Love her!!”

Inspirational?

What a strange take on it. Would you find it inspirational if I approach you in the street and tell you you're fat/ugly/too loud/quiet/need a brace?

'Honesty' as a positive attribute is usually only when it's intention and result is positive. Being 'honest' (or professing to be, as is usually the case with these kinds of numpties) with the intention of hurting or damaging someone isn't a laudable behaviour, nor one I'd like to see encouraged in society ta muchly.

Would you really want a world where people are needlessly hurtful to one another?
Scarlett Berry
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by max_gibbs:
“Theres always atleast one knobhead in the house ever year who keeps saying..' I say it how it is' or 'I say what i see' or 'Im just being honest' etc...

This year it happens to be Luisa.. Ofcourse it never occurs to them that what they see or determine things to be is really a crock of shit and riddled with malice and hypocrisy. And blatantly untrue a lot of times...
It takes someone who lacks any sort of self awareness to have that level of narcissism and has to repeat how honest they are about their views
”

Excellent.
patsylimerick
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“So in the highlights show we heard Luisa giving the Nolan a well-deserved dressing down. She revealed her priorities in life, such as her career, her house, her family and friends. She said she doesn't care if people think she's a bitch and she says what she thinks to people regardless of whether they want to hear it or not.

Personally, I think more people should be like this. There are too many Linda's in the world who think they have to put on a "fake nice" so that they're not seen as a bitch.

Does this "don't like what I have to say, then f*** off" attitude make Luisa a bitch? No I think it makes her honest! Love her!!”

I think it's the attitude of a petulant, ignorant of life teenager. I think it's frankly ridiculous for a grown adult to be this ridiculously contradictory and oblivious to their own faults. Finally, I think the kind of attitude that Luisa demonstrated in that little speech is at the heart of much of what's wrong with human society - and particularly the society of the social network.


Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“So she just says it as it is ......she doesn't care. Has she said it to Lee and Casey? No - she's simply bitching and calling it something else.

There is nothing wrong with considering others feelings and being pleasant. To say 'I really don't care' is rather a selfish and hard faced attitude to life and people in general I think.

What is wrong with being considerate of others feelings?”

She is SUCH a hypocrite. Criticise them for showmancing immediately before launching one of my own; tell everyone how I 'tell it like it is' just before I bitch about someone outside of their presence................. it's actually quite funny.

Originally Posted by TheWireRules:
“The classic excuse to be a b!tch. Imagine if everyone literally said what they think? Wouldn't be much fun would it. She needs to learn about class and dignity.”

It really is - and as others have pointed out - we see it every single year on BB.

Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Well, my hatred towards Linda is justified, although I know you don't think so. She was trying to plant seeds, implying that Luisa was bitching in a malicious way - which wasn't true at all!”

Hatred? Really? You HATE someone you've never met and who has been very pleasant so far on the show?


Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“I really don't think she was you know. In my opinion it was a fairly light hearted exchange where if anything Linda was trying to watch Luisa's back a bit. Luisa certainly seemed to take it as an amicable exchange with kindly meant if unwanted advice.”

Originally Posted by rancidbeings:
“Inspirational?

What a strange take on it. Would you find it inspirational if I approach you in the street and tell you you're fat/ugly/too loud/quiet/need a brace?

'Honesty' as a positive attribute is usually only when it's intention and result is positive. Being 'honest' (or professing to be, as is usually the case with these kinds of numpties) with the intention of hurting or damaging someone isn't a laudable behaviour, nor one I'd like to see encouraged in society ta muchly.

Would you really want a world where people are needlessly hurtful to one another?”

Agree with all of the above.
Panda Eyes
07-01-2014
LOL @ Inspirational hahahahahaha
Hogeyz
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by GTR Davo:
“totally agree with her! its the attitude I have too! I know my priorities in life have unlimited time for my family and friends and have no care about strangers who don't like me, not scared to offend people either! regardless of the PC brigade no one has the god given right to go about life without being offended, it don't appear in any bill of rights, human rights etc either. So more people should have the Luisa attitude. ”

I do agree with looking after your family and friends but why is tact and basic manners a bad thing? I hate all this "I'm just keeping it real" and "That's me" nonsense. It's just something people say when they're either being antagonistic or have been caught out being a bitch like Luisa.

Evander Hollyfield said what he thought and everyone jumped on his back.
Penny Crayon
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by YesNoMan:
“Don't be depressed if you don't need to be. Look at things positively. She's ten times the role model Katie Price was.”

Oddly enough I actually think Katie Price is a better role odel. She is /was a glamour model who happens to have made a sussesful business as well. She is honest and up front about who she is and what she does.

?uisa claims to be this veryy intelligent, succesful, straight talking business woman. She is desperately trying to keep her name and business out there by creating a bit of controversy and sleazing it up. A succesful cup cake business topped with tits, aŚrse ad smut. She claims she is honest and doesn't care but all the talk was actually being done behind someone's back.

I'd rather have Katie Price any day of the week ...........she doesn't dress up her success under any guises - what you see really is what you bet unlike the manipulative, cun ing, sleazy Luisa.
ucra girl
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Luisa is very classy, I think. So she let her hair down tonight, but Dappy was practically molesting her.”

Classy? I havent seen any class.She talked about sex parties and bitched and no classs.She is not honest just a selfish me me me
ucra girl
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Hogeyz:
“I do agree with looking after your family and friends but why is tact and basic manners a bad thing? I hate all this "I'm just keeping it real" and "That's me" nonsense. It's just something people say when they're either being antagonistic or have been caught out being a bitch like Luisa.

Evander Hollyfield said what he thought and everyone jumped on his back.”

Exactly!
anne_666
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“So in the highlights show we heard Luisa giving the Nolan a well-deserved dressing down. She revealed her priorities in life, such as her career, her house, her family and friends. She said she doesn't care if people think she's a bitch and she says what she thinks to people regardless of whether they want to hear it or not.

Personally, I think more people should be like this. There are too many Linda's in the world who think they have to put on a "fake nice" so that they're not seen as a bitch.

Does this "don't like what I have to say, then f*** off" attitude make Luisa a bitch? No I think it makes her honest! Love her!!”

When did she give Linda a dressing down? I must be watching a different show. I think you will find that Luisa does care deeply what others think about her. Anyone who needs to say the things she did usually does,it's very immature and a defense. They can dole it out but can't take it done to them. I find her a pain in the ************
anne_666
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Hogeyz:
“I do agree with looking after your family and friends but why is tact and basic manners a bad thing? I hate all this "I'm just keeping it real" and "That's me" nonsense. It's just something people say when they're either being antagonistic or have been caught out being a bitch like Luisa.

Evander Hollyfield said what he thought and everyone jumped on his back.”

I agree with the first paragraph. The second no. Homophobic comment is not acceptable in a religious context or otherwise.
Cornchips
07-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“So in the highlights show we heard Luisa giving the Nolan a well-deserved dressing down. She revealed her priorities in life, such as her career, her house, her family and friends. She said she doesn't care if people think she's a bitch and she says what she thinks to people regardless of whether they want to hear it or not.

Personally, I think more people should be like this. There are too many Linda's in the world who think they have to put on a "fake nice" so that they're not seen as a bitch.

Does this "don't like what I have to say, then f*** off" attitude make Luisa a bitch? No I think it makes her honest! Love her!!”

Never been a fan of the "tell them how it is" brigade tbh For one its not "how it is" its "how they see it" - i.e. its opinion not fact. And secondly just because you have an opinion on someone or something doesn't mean they want to or should have to hear it just so you can relieve yourself of the burden of carrying such a thought around. thirdly its just plain rude and tbh I don't believe her. If she is successful in business which she purports to be then there must be politeness and networking and schmoozing as part of her business dealings. I am sure she wouldn't do very well if in the middle of a business meeting she told those she is with exactly what she thought of them.

All this "tell them how it is" rubbish is just an excuse for rudeness.

I do agree to a certain extent with not caring what people who mean nothing to you think of you - however there are very few people who you come into contact with that actually have no impact whatsoever on your life.
dirty dingus
07-01-2014
It's horses for courses - Forthright, Driven, Ballsy, Alluring = Bitchy, Backstabbing, Obnoxious, Skanky.
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