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Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Yes, so why carry on? Instead of leaving it at that, she resorted to insulting Jim, and they all laughed along with her like a pack of hyenas. Why didn't she speak to Jim in private about the issues she has with him? No she needed to be propped up by the girls like a tyrannical Queen laying down the law. Absolutely shocking.”

No .....he walked in on the conversation and she told him exactly what was on her mind. She was clear and to the point. Jim walked away from it. Why do you think that was? I'll tell you why ....it's because he is a very angry and aggressive man ..........there is no point denying that or skirting round the issue that is what Jim Davidsdon is. He may well be funny and humourous but there is and always has been a lot of anger in him.

She was not laying down the law - she was telling the others why she was upset and also telling them 'look it's my problem I don't want you to dislike Jim'.

Obviously if you don't like Linda you'll put a spin on it but - it's really not at all complicated.
soapmania
08-01-2014
I haven't watched last nights BB yet however I like Linda! I admire how she pulled Luisa up for bitching about Casey to Jasmine. I admire that quality about her, she is no nonsense and straight to the point!
greenyone
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Yes, so why carry on? Instead of leaving it at that, she resorted to insulting Jim, and they all laughed along with her like a pack of hyenas. Why didn't she speak to Jim in private about the issues she has with him? No she needed to be propped up by the girls like a tyrannical Queen laying down the law. Absolutely shocking.”

Because it's BB and that's how it works
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Yes, so why carry on? Instead of leaving it at that, she resorted to insulting Jim, and they all laughed along with her like a pack of hyenas. Why didn't she speak to Jim in private about the issues she has with him? No she needed to be propped up by the girls like a tyrannical Queen laying down the law. Absolutely shocking.”

She didn't insult him at all - she attempted to tell him how and why he'd upset her - you know 'telling it like it is' - I thought you were a fan of all that sort of stuff. Wasn't Linda being empowered and trying to clear the air - get it off her chest?

Why do you think Jim walked away? I think I know the answer to that one - just wondered if you did too. And funnily enough - she didn't back off - she told him to his face.
snariek
08-01-2014
I don't agree with all these "she gathered the others around her to bitch" blah blah. Who exactly here saw the event live to seemingly know for a fact Linda summoned all the women around her so she could complain about Jim?

Even if she did, so what? When I'm pissed off with someone I vent to others, a lot of people do. It's not as if she did something unnaturally horrific!
lynwood3
08-01-2014
While the others' minds are on camera time and sexual exhibitionism, Linda's mind is firmly on the game.
She is a BB fan and knows exactly how it works.
Jim is being set up for the first eviction.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by lynwood3:
“While the others' minds are on camera time and sexual exhibitionism, Linda's mind is firmly on the game.
She is a BB fan and knows exactly how it works.
Jim is being set up for the first eviction.”

Do you think so? Well judging by the reaction by a lot on here she's not making a very good job of it is she?

Is she not simply getting on with stuff in the house and reacting to things that have upset her ....you know - a bit like how people act in real life. Spin it how you want but it's clear that for whatever reason she didn't like JD before this - probably her worst nightmare to be handcuffed to him and forced to share a bed with him and she's purely and simply reacted to that.

I'd have thought that people would be applauding her for 'telling it like it is'.

No doubt in my mind that she can't do right for doing wrong. If she was smiling sweetly and being tolerant of Jim she'd be being fake.
aggielane
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“As far as I can see, she started three times to tell him what he had done that annoyed her so much, and each time she was interrupted before she had got to the point, so who knows what he had done?”

But it wasnt just Linda who was talking at him the other girls were too. He was struggling to hear what was being said and in the end walked away he didnt flounce or lose his temper he just walked away.
snariek
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by lynwood3:
“While the others' minds are on camera time and sexual exhibitionism, Linda's mind is firmly on the game.
She is a BB fan and knows exactly how it works.
Jim is being set up for the first eviction.”

If that was her plan she wouldn't have said anything to Jim at all. Or at the very least she'd pull a Rylan and wait until she hears the crowd reactions before deciding who she'll make her enemy.

The most clever ones in there at the moment are Sam and Ollie who are keeping tight lipped and getting on with everyone. I'm not saying they're secretly nasty, but is we're talking about who "knows exactly how it works" it's surely them two as they've made a career out of being on reality TV. They've both been media trained to the nines and were probably advised before entering on the best way to behave.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by snariek:
“If that was her plan she wouldn't have said anything to Jim at all. Or at the very least she'd pull a Rylan and wait until she hears the crowd reactions before deciding who she'll make her enemy.

The most clever ones in there at the moment are Sam and Ollie who are keeping tight lipped and getting on with everyone. I'm not saying they're secretly nasty, but is we're talking about who "knows exactly how it works" it's surely them two as they've made a career out of being on reality TV. They've both been media trained to the nines and were probably advised before entering on the best way to behave.”

Good post. 100% agree re the Oli/Sam thing. They know what they're doing. The others will exhaust themselves with all the shenanigans before too long. Better to be a 'Vanilla and possible winner' than a 'tart right from the start'.
lynwood3
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by snariek:
“If that was her plan she wouldn't have said anything to Jim at all. Or at the very least she'd pull a Rylan and wait until she hears the crowd reactions before deciding who she'll make her enemy.

The most clever ones in there at the moment are Sam and Ollie who are keeping tight lipped and getting on with everyone. I'm not saying they're secretly nasty, but is we're talking about who "knows exactly how it works" it's surely them two as they've made a career out of being on reality TV. They've both been media trained to the nines and were probably advised before entering on the best way to behave.”

I agree that Ollie and Sam are playing the best game....I didn't say that Linda Nolan was playing a smart game, just that nominations are on her mind.
She has mentioned it several times and getting Jim nominated is her goal at this point.
Jak14
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Of course Jim hasn't done anything to warrant the attack from Linda. She obviously has some form of personal vendetta against Jim, and she's cleverly trying to break him. This sort of behaviour is coming from a woman who has apparently had such a "hard time" in life, yet she has no problem waging a hate campaign against a man who has also had it rough in recent years. She doesn't need to be careful, she needs to take a long, hard look in the mirror.”

Very well said

Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
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“She's told the others that she doesn't have a problem if they like him. Hardly a hate campaign.”


How nice of her

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“It's called being protective over your sister. Julie was being nasty about Colleen and she understandably didn't like it. I'd think anyone would be the same if it came to their own flesh and blood”

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Julies husband wasn't being nasty to or about Coleen, so what gave her the right to lay into him? Linda was there to stick up for Colleen just as he was there to stand up for Julie, but typical Nolan she had to be down right nasty.
KittyKream
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Well I've only seen him on tv, like most people, and I have a lot of issues with his whole attitude and approach and nastiness .”

Agreed,I couldn't live with him.

He says such sexist patronising things,I would literally run a mile if I saw him approaching.
Monty_Brewster
08-01-2014
Another middle aged women with a chip on their shoulder, like her sister. Both think the world is out to get them.
Jak14
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by snariek:
“If that was her plan she wouldn't have said anything to Jim at all. Or at the very least she'd pull a Rylan and wait until she hears the crowd reactions before deciding who she'll make her enemy.

The most clever ones in there at the moment are Sam and Ollie who are keeping tight lipped and getting on with everyone. I'm not saying they're secretly nasty, but is we're talking about who "knows exactly how it works" it's surely them two as they've made a career out of being on reality TV. They've both been media trained to the nines and were probably advised before entering on the best way to behave.”

Linda is itching to have a row with Jim so like Coleen she can be seen as the victim, sitting on the bed surrounded by other HM's and telling them what a thoroughly nasty man he is, she wants him nominated and quick.

You don't think Coleen has told Linda every detail about how it works? The first night on BOTS Coleen started the feud off by telling us how Linda had had a run in with Jim, all Linda has to do is keep it going.....I hope Jim keeps walking away from her.
foxy23
08-01-2014
I didn't think I'd like Jim but he is coming across well. Linda needs Jim for a 'storyline'. Not sure why she is still even in the public eye - her fame ended in the 70s?
kimindex
08-01-2014
If it comes to who's a more decent person, Jim or Linda, there's no competition. Jim is an overbearing reactionary narcissist and those are his good points.
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Jak14:
“Linda is itching to have a row with Jim so like Coleen she can be seen as the victim, sitting on the bed surrounded by other HM's and telling them what a thoroughly nasty man he is, she wants him nominated and quick.

You don't think Coleen has told Linda every detail about how it works? The first night on BOTS Coleen started the feud off by telling us how Linda had had a run in with Jim, all Linda has to do is keep it going.....I hope Jim keeps walking away from her.”

Jim has shown over and over again that he is a pretty nasty man.
Bela
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by KittyKream:
“Agreed,I couldn't live with him.

He says such sexist patronising things,I would literally run a mile if I saw him approaching.”

Yes, I think this perception of him being a 'loveable rogue' is a strange one. There's nothing remotely loveable about him. What he might claim as 'good humoured banter' is in fact - imo - just his way of dismissing/antagonising people he has no particular use for or interest in.

@Penny Crayon - Agree very much with all your ^^ posts.

I mentioned on an earlier thread (the 'Linda Nolan - what's the problem?' one) that I can see people pouncing on her unreasonably if she happens to get involved in some drama and how it will be used as 'proof' of her being this so-called bitch she allegedly is - despite not one concrete fact being put forward by her accusers to back up that charge - and that seems to be exactly what's happened! No allowance for what we haven't seen, what may have gone on prior to the footage shown, what Jim may have said/done to generate her annoyance etc etc. Oh no, it's just Linda's 'true colours' we're now seeing. <eyeroll>
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“What is all this 'gathering up' rubbish I keep reading? Did we see Linda go round and herd them all up to sit and listen to her?

We saw two small incidents over the course of the day - I daresay they were simply two of many very minor annoyances but enough to get you grrrring if there is no love lost between two people in the first place.

She was quite clearly upset and the people round her obviously asked her what she was upset about. She simply told them ............no drama - she simply said 'I don't like Jim - he doesn't like me but .......please don't let it effect your judgement on him'.

They asked - she answered. Jim walked in and also asked .................did she shy away and act all two faced? No - she told him in a very civilised way that she had a problem and - he walked away. The reason Jim walked away is because he has a temper - he is a miserable old sod and can't handle confrontation without getting nasty. It is well documented.

Two people don't get on. It happens.

Linda was asked and she told - why all the nastiness? Did she bitch? Did she snivel and go for the sympathy card? No.

All this gathering up her troops nonsense is misleading. Other HM's were round her bed as we've seen happen over the past few days. Maybe they congregate there simply because they like her - because she's nice. There's a thought.

I think some perspective is needed. There is a lot of spiteful hype written about Linda which is uncalled for IMO.

She's not a Saint but she's not a Devil either .......two people don't get on - it happens.”

Great post. A lot of this is the usual prejudice directed at middle-aged women.
Originally Posted by KittyKream:
“Agreed,I couldn't live with him.

He says such sexist patronising things,I would literally run a mile if I saw him approaching.”

Agreed!
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Bela:
“Yes, I think this perception of him being a 'loveable rogue' is a strange one. There's nothing remotely loveable about him. What he might claim as 'good humoured banter' is in fact - imo - just his way of dismissing/antagonising people he has no particular use for or interest in.”

Yes, he starts to belittle people in his usual manner, before he remembers where he is.
bulldog rosie
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by foxy23:
“I didn't think I'd like Jim but he is coming across well. Linda needs Jim for a 'storyline'. Not sure why she is still even in the public eye - her fame ended in the 70s?”

That's so true . Without Jim, Linda wouldn't get a mention , she is so dull and lifeless !
Scarlett Berry
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Bela:
“Yes, I think this perception of him being a 'loveable rogue' is a strange one. There's nothing remotely loveable about him. What he might claim as 'good humoured banter' is in fact - imo - just his way of dismissing/antagonising people he has no particular use for or interest in.

@Penny Crayon - Agree very much with all your ^^ posts.

I mentioned on an earlier thread (the 'Linda Nolan - what's the problem?' one) that I can see people pouncing on her unreasonably if she happens to get involved in some drama and how it will be used as 'proof' of her being this so-called bitch she allegedly is - despite not one concrete fact being put forward by her accusers to back up that charge - and that seems to be exactly what's happened! No allowance for what we haven't seen, what may have gone on prior to the footage shown, what Jim may have said/done to generate her annoyance etc etc. Oh no, it's just Linda's 'true colours' we're now seeing. <eyeroll>”

Excellently put and I too agree with you, re: Penny C's posts.
Scarlett Berry
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by bulldog rosie:
“That's so true . Without Jim, Linda wouldn't get a mention , she is so dull and lifeless !”

Well if being "dull and lifeless" (whatever that means exactly)is how you perceive Linda, Give me her anyday over the tarty sheninigans of the carry on crew!
white tigress
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by kate03:
“Yep...seems like she's got her storyline all lined up. Same as Colleen with Julie. I really thought I was going to like her until her she gathered her little harem around her. I would've had more respect for her if she'd just argued her point with Jim face-to-face.”

'Harem'?? I immediately thought 'Coven'!! She gave me awful flashbacks to how horrid her sister was on CBB when 'not getting the attention & respect' she 'feels she DESERVES' etc. Tragic ego queeens. It's pretty bad when she makes Jim 'look good' by comparison! Ugh ugh.
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