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Linda wants to be careful...
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bulldog rosie
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Well if being "dull and lifeless" (whatever that means exactly)is how you perceive Linda, Give me her anyday over the tarty sheninigans of the carry on crew!”

Maybe, but it is a television show that is supposed to entertain and there's not much entertainment coming from Linda apart her obsession with Jim .

Ps. Dull and lifeless is a pretty common expression meaning that if you put a statue in there in her place , it would be more animated!
Bandita
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by white tigress:
“'Harem'?? I immediately thought 'Coven'!! She gave me awful flashbacks to how horrid her sister was on CBB when 'not getting the attention & respect' she 'feels she DESERVES' etc. Tragic ego queeens. It's pretty bad when she makes Jim 'look good' by comparison! Ugh ugh.”

It's like de ja vu with Linda and Coleen! And yes I agree she does make Jim look good and that is bad.
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
I like that Jim walked away from Nolan and her trio of harpies. There's a lesson there...when someone is being rude, childish and looking for a fight you just hold up your hand and walk away from them. Don't give them an audience which is what they want. She is old enough to know better than to try and provoke a fight - which is what she was trying to do - she's 54! she had nothing to say that he thought was worth hearing so he walked....class act Jim, I've new respect for you mate.
SiGa
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Susie_Wilcox:
“I like that Jim walked away from Nolan and her trio of harpies. There's a lesson there...when someone is being rude, childish and looking for a fight you just hold up your hand and walk away from them. Don't give them an audience which is what they want. She is old enough to know better than to try and provoke a fight - which is what she was trying to do - she's 54! she had nothing to say that he thought was worth hearing so he walked....class act Jim, I've new respect for you mate.”

Agreed he did well by walking away.

Linda started of with the its between me and Jim, and then decided to tell the coven all about it.

Jim's response to Jasmine struck me as he didn't know what to say and its the sort of deadpan thing people say in that situation where he might feel ganged up on by the coven.

Jim didn't want an argument and so walked away but of course Linda and probably Jasmine were cross he didn't bite.
Mastes1
08-01-2014
I always find it amazing how different people on this forum sees stuff differently from each other, thats a good thing though to be fair.

As for Linda, she just seems yet another ageing female celebrity that is bitter, spiteful, bitchy and just not a very nice person. Every series it seems to be the same thing with the older women and to be honest it puts me off the whole celebrity thing as they must go through some shit to end up as bitter as they do.
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Scarlett Berry:
“Excellently put and I too agree with you, re: Penny C's posts.”

Yes, it's quite a thing when people try and take the high moral ground with respect to someone like Jim Davidson with his list of 'issues' involving domestic violence, women, race and homophobia and at the same time slag off someone like Linda Nolan who doesn't come even a bit close to that list of nastiness.
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Mastes1:
“I always find it amazing how different people on this forum sees stuff differently from each other, thats a good thing though to be fair.

As for Linda, she just seems yet another ageing female celebrity that is bitter, spiteful, bitchy and just not a very nice person. Every series it seems to be the same thing with the older women and to be honest it puts me off the whole celebrity thing as they must go through some shit to end up as bitter as they do.”

You're right. There's always the same preconceived, confirmation bias prejudices against older women.

Look at the words used 'coven', 'harpy' , 'bitchy' etc. Shameful prejudice.
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Mastes1:
“I always find it amazing how different people on this forum sees stuff differently from each other, thats a good thing though to be fair.

As for Linda, she just seems yet another ageing female celebrity that is bitter, spiteful, bitchy and just not a very nice person. Every series it seems to be the same thing with the older women and to be honest it puts me off the whole celebrity thing as they must go through some shit to end up as bitter as they do.”

I saw her on celebrity come dine with me and she was the same on that show, a very unlikeable woman and she wore that same sour face all through it. She used the 'You probably don't like me but thats okay because I don't like you' line just to be able to say to him that she did not like him. How rude of her and how unnecessary. But she will say 'Im just being honest and telling him how I feel' when in fact it is just plain bitchiness. But is there anyone who actually gets along with the Nolan women? I understand Bernie was the best of the bunch though. It certainly took the wind out of her sails when he walked off - confrontation averted and it bothered her
wonkeydonkey
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“I'd have thought that people would be applauding her for 'telling it like it is'.”

Course not. She is a woman and not young, so to some people OBVIOUSLY she must be a witch with a coven.

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“No doubt in my mind that she can't do right for doing wrong. If she was smiling sweetly and being tolerant of Jim she'd be being fake.”

She certainly didn't get any praise when she did. I was greeted with incredulity on the first day for saying that she seemed polite and pleasant to him.
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“Great post. A lot of this is the usual prejudice directed at middle-aged women.
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I have absolutely no respect for any post, ever, that attacks women as a 'coven' of 'witches'. Do people really not see how abusive and prejudiced it is to do that? Linda is in no kind of group with Luisa or Jasmine; they just happened to be having a conversation on that ONE occasion. But oh my god, several women together, how hateful and evil they must be, let's dehumanise them completely by calling them witches.

What is the equivalent term for when two or three men are seen criticising someone else? Absolutely nothing at all.
Originally Posted by bulldog rosie:
“Maybe, but it is a television show that is supposed to entertain and there's not much entertainment coming from Linda apart her obsession with Jim .

Ps. Dull and lifeless is a pretty common expression meaning that if you put a statue in there in her place , it would be more animated!”

Has she been less 'animated' than Ollie or Sam? They seem pleasant enough people, and I would like to see more of them, but I challenge you to show us what entertainment they have provided so far. Linda on the other hand seems a feisty, opinionated, rather confrontational person, but polite with it; not my favourite, but surely earning her place in the house. He did not disagree that he has constantly talked over Linda; indeed he agreed with it; she has a perfect right to tell him so, and it was right that she told him (more than once) to his face instead of behind his back.

Originally Posted by Susie_Wilcox:
“I like that Jim walked away from Nolan and her trio of harpies. There's a lesson there...when someone is being rude, childish and looking for a fight you just hold up your hand and walk away from them.”

He was the one who walked up and asked what the problem was. Then he didn't like getting an answer. How this scene is being re-written.

And people have completely made up their minds about their pre-series clash, just assuming that gentleman Jim was obviously picked on by the dreadful old woman. We don't know what the row was, just that there was one. Since he has gone through life repeatedly upsetting people, often for no reason at all, there is no particular reason to suppose any previous row was all Linda's fault, is there?
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“Course not. She is a woman and not young, so to some people OBVIOUSLY she must be a witch with a coven.


She certainly didn't get any praise when she did. I was greeted with incredulity on the first day for saying that she seemed polite and pleasant to him.

I have absolutely no respect for any post, ever, that attacks women as a 'coven' of 'witches'. Do people really not see how abusive and prejudiced it is to do that? Linda is in no kind of group with Luisa or Jasmine; they just happened to be having a conversation on that ONE occasion. But oh my god, several women together, how hateful and evil they must be, let's dehumanise them completely by calling them witches.

What is the equivalent term for when two or three men are seen criticising someone else? Absolutely nothing at all. ”

Unfortunately, they clearly enjoy it.
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“Has she been less 'animated' than Ollie or Sam? They seem pleasant enough people, and I would like to see more of them, but I challenge you to show us what entertainment they have provided so far. Linda on the other hand seems a feisty, opinionated, rather confrontational person, but polite with it; not my favourite, but surely earning her place in the house. He did not disagree that he has constantly talked over Linda; indeed he agreed with it; she has a perfect right to tell him so, and it was right that she told him (more than once) to his face instead of behind his back.


He was the one who walked up and asked what the problem was. Then he didn't like getting an answer. How this scene is being re-written.

And people have completely made up their minds about their pre-series clash, just assuming that gentleman Jim was obviously picked on by the dreadful old woman. We don't know what the row was, just that there was one. Since he has gone through life repeatedly upsetting people, often for no reason at all, there is no particular reason to suppose any previous row was all Linda's fault, is there?”

Yet it seems much more natural to them to be prejudiced against a middle-aged woman then a man like him.
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“You're right. There's always the same preconceived, confirmation bias prejudices against older women.

Look at the words used 'coven', 'harpy' , 'bitchy' etc. Shameful prejudice.”

Prejudice by who for pete's sake?

A bunch of women, old and young, sitting together all bitching about someone behind his back is shameful. All vying for who was the most upset. And they are a coven, and harpies and a lot of other names I wont write here .
As a woman I cannot abide women like that!
Bela
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Mastes1:
“I always find it amazing how different people on this forum sees stuff differently from each other, thats a good thing though to be fair.

As for Linda, she just seems yet another ageing female celebrity that is bitter, spiteful, bitchy and just not a very nice person. Every series it seems to be the same thing with the older women and to be honest it puts me off the whole celebrity thing as they must go through some shit to end up as bitter as they do.”

BIB - but this is the thing, 'seems to be'? I honestly haven't seen anything that points to that. What has she done that's come across as bitter and spiteful? All we've seen is the end product of some run-in with Jim that's plainly upset her, and it's clear imo that Jim is not someone who cares much for other people's feelings.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not claiming for a minute that Linda's saintly or incapable of being bitchy or petty (as with all of them, time will tell), just that I can't see how she can be dismissed as a bitter, spiteful bitch on the basic of what we've seen to date on the show.
gilliedew
08-01-2014
Wasn't it Linda who gave Coleen her pre conceived ideas about Julie Goodyear and now the same with Jim. I do not like Linda at all and the really nasty side is emerging, it seems she holds grudges for a very long time.
Bandita
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Susie_Wilcox:
“Prejudice by who for pete's sake?

A bunch of women, old and young, sitting together all bitching about someone behind his back is shameful. All vying for who was the most upset. And they are a coven, and harpies and a lot of other names I wont write here .
As a woman I cannot abide women like that!”

That's so true, it's THEM that give women a bad name. If Linda had a problem with JD why not just take him aside and speak to him alone. All this biz of saying she didn't want them to dislike him just cos she didn't was very telling.
YesNoMan
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“He was the one who walked up and asked what the problem was. Then he didn't like getting an answer. How this scene is being re-written.”

That paragraph to me has its own internal irony. You're rewriting. He didn't get an answer, he got a cacophony. And he didn't walk up uninvited, he was sucked in by Linda's gathering. He did well to unsuck himself.

As another poster has pointed out, Linda's only there in the first place to needle Jim. She runs the risk of making us side with him. Side with Davidson, for God's sake! Eek!

When you're trying to walk away from someone who's trying to get a fight out of you, and they're going "That's right, go on, just walk away, it's the easy way out!" like a f****** w*****, it's quite hard to carry on just walking away.
SnowStorm86
08-01-2014
I suspect those defenders of Jim (and there are many) who are trying to sell him as a reformed Nice Guy, will find it increasingly difficult to uphold their position as the days and weeks go by.

I am enjoying watching Jim, but I make no effort to defend his nastiness. He is a pantomime villain who is now finally playing true to character. It would seem foolhardy to attempt to paint him as a victim.
decobelle
08-01-2014
Considering Linda has a problem being talked over she's not one for letting anyone get a word in is she? I imagine that people talk over her because they get sick of waiting for a pause where they could actually participate in the conversation! Jasmine tried several times to talk last night while Linda was ranting about Jim...and failed as Linda just ploughed on regardless
BellaRosa
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Susie_Wilcox:
“I like that Jim walked away from Nolan and her trio of harpies. There's a lesson there...when someone is being rude, childish and looking for a fight you just hold up your hand and walk away from them. Don't give them an audience which is what they want. She is old enough to know better than to try and provoke a fight - which is what she was trying to do - she's 54! she had nothing to say that he thought was worth hearing so he walked....class act Jim, I've new respect for you mate.”

I have liked Jim for many years and was so glad he walked away from that vile woman.
Bela
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“I suspect those defenders of Jim (and there are many) who are trying to sell him as a reformed Nice Guy, will find it increasingly difficult to uphold their position as the days and weeks go by.

I am enjoying watching Jim, but I make no effort to defend his nastiness. He is a pantomime villain who is now finally playing true to character. It would seem foolhardy to attempt to paint him as a victim.”

Good post. That's how I see him too, an entertaining HM but not a particularly pleasant or likeable person.
aggielane
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by decobelle:
“Considering Linda has a problem being talked over she's not one for letting anyone get a word in is she? I imagine that people talk over her because they get sick of waiting for a pause where they could actually participate in the conversation! Jasmine tried several times to talk last night while Linda was ranting about Jim...and failed as Linda just ploughed on regardless”

She not only talks over them she then answers the questions she as asked them herself.
Dutch Marlene
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“Yes, so why carry on? Instead of leaving it at that, she resorted to insulting Jim, and they all laughed along with her like a pack of hyenas. Why didn't she speak to Jim in private about the issues she has with him? No she needed to be propped up by the girls like a tyrannical Queen laying down the law. Absolutely shocking.”


This! I thought I would like her but that she had to have back up before confronting Jim was something I did not like.

What Odette sad, grab Jim in private and tell him but no. She lost some points.
YesNoMan
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by decobelle:
“Considering Linda has a problem being talked over she's not one for letting anyone get a word in is she? I imagine that people talk over her because they get sick of waiting for a pause where they could actually participate in the conversation! Jasmine tried several times to talk last night while Linda was ranting about Jim...and failed as Linda just ploughed on regardless”

This.

Seen it several times now. Enough to know a denial-ridden, self-loathing, passive aggressive. (Cue a board psychiatrist on incorrect terminologies.) So quite a good choice as a thorn for Davidson's side, but as we're saying, possibly horrible enough to make Davidson look comparatively good.
LurkingGood
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by soapmania:
“I haven't watched last nights BB yet however I like Linda! I admire how she pulled Luisa up for bitching about Casey to Jasmine. I admire that quality about her, she is no nonsense and straight to the point!”

...and then she bitches about Jim behind his back.

She has being saying for days, to his face, that she doesn't have a problem with him and likes him, now she states "I don't like you". Evidentally she is a two-faced liar.
Well done Jim for walking away and not giving her the full blown argument she was looking for.
auntysplat
08-01-2014
To me it seems like Linda wanted to pick on anyone, Jim is there so he will do, she is so much like that Denise, anything for attention and camera time
bulldog rosie
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Bandita:
“That's so true, it's THEM that give women a bad name. If Linda had a problem with JD why not just take him aside and speak to him alone. All this biz of saying she didn't want them to dislike him just cos she didn't was very telling.”

Exactly, In fact ,why not talk to him when they were handcuffed together and he had no escape ? She wanted an audience because she is too pathetic to face him on her own !
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