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Linda wants to be careful...
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HonestLee
08-01-2014
Linda never grew up, she's a perpetual 12 year old which (from what I've seen over the years) has landed her in a million life-pickles

Personally I think the problem with her(again only from what I'm seeing here on BB) is that having put gone through so much in life she's both battle-hardened and battle-scarred and will probably thinks that coming through all the things she's endured(probably her own fault most of the time judging by her way) is permission to believe herself somehow wise

A lot of adults are like this, they expect young ones to respect their maturity when the only thing mature about them is the body they're stood in

Jim's been no angel in his time and by the look of it would be the first to admit it, unless he's done something we don't know about concerning her, her sisters or her friends then I can only assume that she feels cramped by someone aware of her own past?

She's let me down tho, I sang her praises willing her to be a lovely old mare who'd learnt a lot and could pass some handy tips to the younger ones

All I see is a Black Belt passive-aggressive making herself difficult to love
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
Linda is goading him pure and simple. I thought she handled herself very badly in that situation, very school-yardish behaviour. Jim was the mature level-headed one for not responding and walking away. Then she continues on as he does....Jim reminds me of my late uncle who would never get into an argument with anyone and my aunt was a harridan who would goad him endlessly and when he'd walk away quietly she'd say 'there he goes, off you go, cannot stand and have it out can you!'. The poor man. Linda's her type I can see and if he did respond she'd call it bullying...
wonkeydonkey
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Susie_Wilcox:
“Prejudice by who for pete's sake?

A bunch of women, old and young, sitting together all bitching about someone behind his back is shameful.”

That wasn't what we saw, though of course it is very possible that the conversation before we saw it consisted of Jasmine and Luisa telling Linda about Jim telling Jasmine to F*** off. When we joined the conversation, nothing was really said about Jim at all; Linda was merely explaining that she and Jim had previous history - which she did not attempt to tell them at all, though it must be tempting to try and get people on her side - and that they should not get involved in it. That really is very, very low on the bitching scale.

Originally Posted by gilliedew:
“Wasn't it Linda who gave Coleen her pre conceived ideas about Julie Goodyear and now the same with Jim. I do not like Linda at all and the really nasty side is emerging, it seems she holds grudges for a very long time.”

How long have you held a grudge against Linda?
Originally Posted by YesNoMan:
“That paragraph to me has its own internal irony. You're rewriting. He didn't get an answer, he got a cacophony. And he didn't walk up uninvited, he was sucked in by Linda's gathering.”

What is the difference between 'walking up' and 'being sucked in'?

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“When you're trying to walk away from someone who's trying to get a fight out of you, and they're going "That's right, go on, just walk away, it's the easy way out!" like a f****** w***** - it's quite hard to carry on just walking away.”

Clearly not. He asked her a question, then didn't like the answers he was getting. Run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“I suspect those defenders of Jim (and there are many) who are trying to sell him as a reformed Nice Guy, will find it increasingly difficult to uphold their position as the days and weeks go by.
”

He's probably going to be pretty careful on BB. I don't think we are going to see him moaning about shirtlifters to Ollie or putting on a side-splitting aren't -black- people- hilarious act to Evander.

But there is something really sickening imo in people hugging themselves with glee at Katie Hopkins's monstrously bitchy comments about Linda on BOTs. They must really have no self-awareness at all if they go on to criticise Linda for anything she says.
bulldog rosie
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“That wasn't what we saw, though of course it is very possible that the conversation before we saw it consisted of Jasmine and Luisa telling Linda about Jim telling Jasmine to F*** off. When we joined the conversation, nothing was really said about Jim at all; Linda was merely explaining that she and Jim had previous history - which she did not attempt to tell them at all, though it must be tempting to try and get people on her side - and that they should not get involved in it. That really is very, very low on the bitching scale.


How long have you held a grudge against Linda?

What is the difference between 'walking up' and 'being sucked in'?


Clearly not. He asked her a question, then didn't like the answers he was getting. Run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!


He's probably going to be pretty careful on BB. I don't think we are going to see him moaning about shirtlifters to Ollie or putting on a side-splitting aren't -black- people- hilarious act to Evander.

But there is something really sickening imo in people hugging themselves with glee at Katie Hopkins's monstrously bitchy comments about Linda on BOTs. They must really have no self-awareness at all if they go on to criticise Linda for anything she says.”

Hi Colleen
AMS13
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by BellaRosa:
“I have liked Jim for many years and was so glad he walked away from that vile woman.”



I was never a Jim fan, owing to his bad press. However, I saw him being interviewed by Des O'Connor and I ended up crying with laughter, changing my opinion of him. Must admit I did enjoy watching his Saturday evening shows and respect the way that he is trying to conduct himself in the house. As he has said himself, he had/has problems with addictions, a lot in the past and is trying his best to move on.
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
He did not 'run away' - he walked. And it was the right thing to do when faced with a loopy woman looking for a confrontation.
patsylimerick
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by HonestLee:
“Linda never grew up, she's a perpetual 12 year old which (from what I've seen over the years) has landed her in a million life-pickles

Personally I think the problem with her(again only from what I'm seeing here on BB) is that having put gone through so much in life she's both battle-hardened and battle-scarred and will probably thinks that coming through all the things she's endured(probably her own fault most of the time judging by her way) is permission to believe herself somehow wise

A lot of adults are like this, they expect young ones to respect their maturity when the only thing mature about them is the body they're stood in

Jim's been no angel in his time and by the look of it would be the first to admit it, unless he's done something we don't know about concerning her, her sisters or her friends then I can only assume that she feels cramped by someone aware of her own past?

She's let me down tho, I sang her praises willing her to be a lovely old mare who'd learnt a lot and could pass some handy tips to the younger ones

All I see is a Black Belt passive-aggressive making herself difficult to love”

What the actual.......?!?!? How could breast cancer; the death of her husband and the death of her sister be 'probably her own fault'?

That's quite jaw-dropping. I haven't particularly warmed to Linda; but then I know too little about either of them and their previous sword-crossing to comment too much on this incident. She does seem a little too fixated on what HE thinks of HER. And it is reminiscent of Colleen and Julie; and Denise and Michael - but I'm not really sure what's gone on.
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by bulldog rosie:
“Hi Colleen”



As for Jim telling Jasmine to f*** off....seeing how she is getting it off with Lee Ryan under the covers she is clearly taking Jim's advice literally.
kimindex
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“That wasn't what we saw, though of course it is very possible that the conversation before we saw it consisted of Jasmine and Luisa telling Linda about Jim telling Jasmine to F*** off. When we joined the conversation, nothing was really said about Jim at all; Linda was merely explaining that she and Jim had previous history - which she did not attempt to tell them at all, though it must be tempting to try and get people on her side - and that they should not get involved in it. That really is very, very low on the bitching scale.


How long have you held a grudge against Linda?

What is the difference between 'walking up' and 'being sucked in'?


Clearly not. He asked her a question, then didn't like the answers he was getting. Run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!


He's probably going to be pretty careful on BB. I don't think we are going to see him moaning about shirtlifters to Ollie or putting on a side-splitting aren't -black- people- hilarious act to Evander.

But there is something really sickening imo in people hugging themselves with glee at Katie Hopkins's monstrously bitchy comments about Linda on BOTs. They must really have no self-awareness at all if they go on to criticise Linda for anything she says.”

They have to exaggerate to have any point at all.

Yes, approving of Katie Hopkins and Jim Davidson really isn't taking the high moral ground. They both overshadow Linda completely when it comes to nastiness.
Scarlett Berry
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“They have to exaggerate to have any point at all.

Yes, approving of Katie Hopkins and Jim Davidson really isn't taking the high moral ground. They both overshadow Linda completely when it comes to nastiness.”

Very true but it doesn't fit the Linda detractors to admit that.
LurkingGood
08-01-2014
Usually wonkeydonkey gives sensible unbiased posts; why, on this thread, are we seeing biased, fabrications. I guess preconceived ideas have clouded judgement, hang your head in shame.
Pices-55
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“They have to exaggerate to have any point at all.

Yes, approving of Katie Hopkins and Jim Davidson really isn't taking the high moral ground. They both overshadow Linda completely when it comes to nastiness.”



I'm not sure that they do...well maybe Katie hopkins but Linda often comes across as quite nasty, it was her who planted the seeds in Colleen's head about Julie being a nasty piece of work and now she is planting those seeds in the other housemates heads about JD, I have no great love for JD but he is coming across as quite classy compared to Linda.
YesNoMan
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“What is the difference between 'walking up' and 'being sucked in'?”

The first is active, the second is passive.

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“He asked her a question, then didn't like the answers he was getting. Run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!”

There was not a meaningful, rational answer, and there was no running. You characterising it as "Run awaaaaaaaaaaaaaay!" is as bad as Linda giving it the old "That's right! Just walk away!" inflammatory schtick.



The thing is, Davidson had definitely started to deserve a talking to. It's just a pity there was no-one capable of doing it without making themself look worse and him look better. Linda Nolan: not fit for purpose.
bulldog rosie
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“They have to exaggerate to have any point at all.

Yes, approving of Katie Hopkins and Jim Davidson really isn't taking the high moral ground. They both overshadow Linda completely when it comes to nastiness.”

It's the poster you're replying to who's exaggerating.....He didn't "run away", he walked away from a person intent on argument but without the "balls" to face him alone and Katie Hopkins slated just about everyone on the show, not just Linda.
Susie_Wilcox
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Pices-55:
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I'm not sure that they do...well maybe Katie hopkins but Linda often comes across as quite nasty, it was her who planted the seeds in Colleen's head about Julie being a nasty piece of work and now she is planting those seeds in the other housemates heads about JD, I have no great love for JD but he is coming across as quite classy compared to Linda.”

I have not seen Jim being nasty so far on this show in fact he appears to be one of those men who avoids confrontations, especially with hysterical women like Linda is rapidly becoming. Telling some self-obsessed bimbo like Jasmine to 'f off' is not nasty or rude when weighed against Jasmine's own behaviour to date on the show. Cannot comment on his private life because I dont know him personally.
HonestLee
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“What the actual.......?!?!? How could breast cancer; the death of her husband and the death of her sister be 'probably her own fault'?

That's quite jaw-dropping. I haven't particularly warmed to Linda; but then I know too little about either of them and their previous sword-crossing to comment too much on this incident. She does seem a little too fixated on what HE thinks of HER. And it is reminiscent of Colleen and Julie; and Denise and Michael - but I'm not really sure what's gone on.”

I would NEVER EVER put the tragedies you list there as her own doing and I'm equally insulted that you think I would

I'm talking ONLY of things that her childishness might have caused

we clearly agree on the rest
Jak14
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by patsylimerick:
“What the actual.......?!?!? How could breast cancer; the death of her husband and the death of her sister be 'probably her own fault'?

That's quite jaw-dropping. I haven't particularly warmed to Linda; but then I know too little about either of them and their previous sword-crossing to comment too much on this incident. She does seem a little too fixated on what HE thinks of HER. And it is reminiscent of Colleen and Julie; and Denise and Michael - but I'm not really sure what's gone on.”

I agree that's not her fault, but you would imagine she would learn a lesson from that, life is to short to hold grudges, she's fond of saying certain people don't like her, I wonder why they don't like her? could it be they are a tad scared of her as they know how nasty she can be? Whatever went on in the past between her and Jim he seems to have got over it, while Linda cant let it rest, she doesn't forgive and forget.......I was hoping we would see a nicer side to her personality while in the house, but she picked the girls up on their bitchy remarks, but found them an ideal audience to spill out a load of tripe about Jim behind his back.......Linda is a nasty lady, maybe she's jealous that celebs her age are financially secure while she is broke, who knows.
ABCZYX
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“What is all this 'gathering up' rubbish I keep reading? Did we see Linda go round and herd them all up to sit and listen to her?

We saw two small incidents over the course of the day - I daresay they were simply two of many very minor annoyances but enough to get you grrrring if there is no love lost between two people in the first place.

She was quite clearly upset and the people round her obviously asked her what she was upset about. She simply told them ............no drama - she simply said 'I don't like Jim - he doesn't like me but .......please don't let it effect your judgement on him'.

They asked - she answered. Jim walked in and also asked .................did she shy away and act all two faced? No - she told him in a very civilised way that she had a problem and - he walked away. The reason Jim walked away is because he has a temper - he is a miserable old sod and can't handle confrontation without getting nasty. It is well documented.

Two people don't get on. It happens.

Linda was asked and she told - why all the nastiness? Did she bitch? Did she snivel and go for the sympathy card? No.

All this gathering up her troops nonsense is misleading. Other HM's were round her bed as we've seen happen over the past few days. Maybe they congregate there simply because they like her - because she's nice. There's a thought.

I think some perspective is needed. There is a lot of spiteful hype written about Linda which is uncalled for IMO.

She's not a Saint but she's not a Devil either .......two people don't get on - it happens.”

Totally agree.

Originally Posted by Jak14:
“Julies husband wasn't being nasty to or about Coleen, so what gave her the right to lay into him? Linda was there to stick up for Colleen just as he was there to stand up for Julie, but typical Nolan she had to be down right nasty.”

I don't think she was angry with him. He was understandably sticking up for his wife and I think what she was doing was trying to get him to see that Julie was being the nasty, two-faced one and was pointing out examples. I can't remember what was said, as I haven't seen the interview since it was first broadcast, but I do remember that she was angry with what Julie was doing.

Originally Posted by kimindex:
“Unfortunately, they clearly enjoy it.
Yet it seems much more natural to them to be prejudiced against a middle-aged woman then a man like him.”

Originally Posted by wonkeydonkey:
“But there is something really sickening imo in people hugging themselves with glee at Katie Hopkins's monstrously bitchy comments about Linda on BOTs. They must really have no self-awareness at all if they go on to criticise Linda for anything she says.”

I think these forums for whatever reason, don't like the Loose Women and/or the Nolans. The forums do sadly have a tendency to automatically judge someone unfairly and make excuses for their favourite even when they have done something really wrong, or slate everything their least favourite does even if they're behaving perfectly fine in the house.
Jak14
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
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I don't think she was angry with him. He was understandably sticking up for his wife and I think what she was doing was trying to get him to see that Julie was being the nasty, two-faced one and was pointing out examples. I can't remember what was said, as I haven't seen the interview since it was first broadcast, but I do remember that she was angry with what Julie was doing.





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What ever she was saying didn't really matter because Julies husband who hadn't been on TV before, was very nervous, yet she didn't give him a chance to answer back.

Linda has picked Jim up and looked annoyed at him for talking over her, she has no self awareness, as that is something we have seen her do many times in CBB
Jak14
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“They have to exaggerate to have any point at all.

Yes, approving of Katie Hopkins and Jim Davidson really isn't taking the high moral ground. They both overshadow Linda completely when it comes to nastiness.”

No-one takes Katie Hopkins seriously, even if they agree with her sometimes.

I haven't seem Jim Davidson being nasty to anyone, however through BB I have seen Linda's nastier side, she really needs to calm it down in public, she isn't doing herself any favours IMO
wonkeydonkey
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by bulldog rosie:
“It's the poster you're replying to who's exaggerating.....He didn't "run away", he walked away from a person intent on argument but without the "balls" to face him alone and Katie Hopkins slated just about everyone on the show, not just Linda.”

She was far nastier about Linda, and in a peculiarly unpleasant way. She went far, far beyond saying that she didn't like her. She was venomously horrible about her for being an older woman: a woman in her 50's who dares to appear on tv must 'have hygeine issues' and 'smell of wee'. If she goes to a shop she must 'get lost in the wine department' and 'think, I think I'll go on the tills - but no! she's on benefits!' - Pause for the BBOTS audience to soil themselves laughing at the fact that a woman over 50 is on tv, and that someone who has suffered major health problems has had to give up her long-term career for a while.
Originally Posted by Susie_Wilcox:
“ Cannot comment on his private life because I dont know him personally.”

We can comment about what is in the public domain. He has admitted to domestic violence, cracking jokes about the fact that he blacked his wife's eyes. There is no dispute about the fact that he refused to do a gig because there were people in wheelchairs in the audience. He has described HIMSELF as 'a homophobic arsehole'. All these things are undisputed and may be commented on.
Originally Posted by Jak14:
“she's fond of saying certain people don't like her, I wonder why they don't like her?”

Who?

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“ Whatever went on in the past between her and Jim he seems to have got over it, while Linda cant let it rest, she doesn't forgive and forget......”

As far as I recall, he behaved so badly at something that she asked for him to be removed from the room. Since we don't know what his bad behaviour consisted of, it is hard to tell.

Out of curiosity I looked at the long-running 'Nice and Nasty Celebrities you have met' on the Showbiz forum. You have to treat this with caution - people sometimes put things about someone 'looking snooty' when they have pounced on them in a supermarket - but it is interesting when certain people - *coughCilla* KEEP getting hostile comments. As does Jim.:

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“Jim Davidson I have met him many times due to the fact he used to own a theatre here so was often around and he is one of the most nasty people I have ever met.”

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“Jim Davidson, unsurprisingly would win few prizes for the way he speaks to people. Belittled a make-up girl and looked around, waiting for us all to laugh at him being oh-so-funny.”

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“Jim Davidson - Arrogant, pompous berk with a crowd of sycophantic hangers-on laughing too loudly at his feeble jokes”

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“A few updates since I last posted on this thread- a friend of mine was involved in a charity golf day a few years back, where there were quite a few celebs present.

He said that both Bruce Forsyth and the late Mike Reid were both great fun and made time for people. On the other hand, Jim Davidson was a right nasty piece of work. Horrid character.”
”

There are others, none of them friendly. From which one might deduce that he is not one of those people who wastes any charm on the common people.

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“.I was hoping we would see a nicer side to her personality while in the house, but she picked the girls up on their bitchy remarks, but found them an ideal audience to spill out a load of tripe about Jim behind his back.......Linda is a nasty lady, maybe she's jealous that celebs her age are financially secure while she is broke, who knows.”

What 'tripe' did she spill? The fact that she didn't get on with him but didn't want to others to be affected by that? How tripish, eh?
MsBehaviour
08-01-2014
When joker Jim met up with Linda
We wondered what would light the tinder
Now the fire is lit
And burning a bit
Which one will get burnt to a cinder?
Odette Valmont
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“She didn't insult him at all - she attempted to tell him how and why he'd upset her - you know 'telling it like it is' - I thought you were a fan of all that sort of stuff. Wasn't Linda being empowered and trying to clear the air - get it off her chest?

Why do you think Jim walked away? I think I know the answer to that one - just wondered if you did too. And funnily enough - she didn't back off - she told him to his face.”

She didn't insult him? I think you'll find she enjoyed insulting him, and behind his back may I add. What was "If he blows more smoke up Evander's arse, he'll have s*** on his nose" all about? It seems to be you who is putting your own spin on it, all in the name of Saint Linda.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“She didn't insult him? I think you'll find she enjoyed insulting him, and behind his back may I add. What was "If he blows more smoke up Evander's arse, he'll have s*** on his nose" all about? It seems to be you who is putting your own spin on it, all in the name of Saint Linda.”

No Odette you've got it all wrong ..she's a strong feisty woman, she was telling it as it is - she knows what she wants and goes out to get it.
Odette Valmont
08-01-2014
It's quite funny, whenever another housemate does something wrong, the Linda Sympathy Brigade are quick to point it out. When it comes to Linda herself, they seem to have selective memories...
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