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Old 08-01-2014, 10:39
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She reminds me of Denise Welch and how she kept trying to argue with the American Manson,
Me too - I said exactly the same to OH last night!
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Old 08-01-2014, 13:47
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Is there a clip of Jim Davidson's profile / audition clip somewhere?

I just want to check what we heard him say on launch night about what he was going to do, wind people up, or whatever. It sounded quite nasty at the time, but I don't remember exactly what he said.
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Old 08-01-2014, 13:51
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Thats what Linda does, probably why Jim doesn't like her, he's not soft, she probably has done it before, outside the house.
When else has Linda done that -- turn girls against someone -- so that it can be "what Linda does"?
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:21
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I really think 'ghastly hasbeen' is a good description of Davidson. At least no Nolan, afaik, has been accused of pushing a woman down a flight of stairs or hitting her with a set of dumbbells.
An accusation isn't proof

Maybe Jim will accuse Linda of pushing him down the BB stairs, anyone can make an accusation.
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:28
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When else has Linda done that -- turn girls against someone -- so that it can be "what Linda does"?
I do get the feeling that there is no middle ground for Linda, if they want to be friends with her then they have to be against her "enemy" Jim.....Also she takes in every word of the conversations she overhears, could that be ammunition if she needs it?
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:34
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What a dismal collection of horrible stereotypes. I am so utterly fed up with people contriving a 'coven of witches' every time they don't like some female housemates, and slagging someone off for being 'menopausal' because they are not young and pretty. Do you honestly think Luisa and Jasmine were fond of Jim before Linda said something about him? Because if so you must have watched the programme with your eyes and ears closed. He had been pointlessly rude and aggressive to someone who had done nothing more untoward than walk past him, but who he identified as not liked among the people he was sitting with. It has been obvious from day one that Linda has come into the house with a massive prejudice against her from some viewers.
Well said.

I have to say I don't like Linda, and I thought the scene of her on the bed surrounded by (most? all?) the other women naturally raised some suspicions; but we don't know how it came about, and she didn't say anything unreasonable.

Anyway, I think we may be seeing a good example of how what people already believe about a housemate, from before BB, can influence what they think about the HM's behaviour in the house. But for some reason, when the prior beliefs are negative, it's being done more to the women than to the men. And when it comes out in, as you said, "horrible stereotypes", that suggests that something rather unpleasant is involved in the interpretation as well.

You keep saying that, but she did absolutely nothing to stop him hearing Lee's dreadful singing - it was wildly unlikely that he really wanted to listen to it - and there was absolutely nothing amusing about what he said. If Linda had randomly told someone to f*** off just for walking past her, you know perfectly well she would be abused from here to next year.
Indeed, how is it supposed to work as "a joke"? Do we need a word for a sense of humour that goes way beyond "dry" to just being obnoxious as funny?

Sam planted the "he's a comedian; it's a joke" seed, and I think it's grown and flourished because there isn't any other way to defend / excuse Jim's obnoxiousness. And of course, in reserve are the usual ways to attack those who don't think something's a joke or don't think it's funny: that they are too thick or whatever to "get" it, that -- woosh! -- it goes over their head, and so on.

What miserably poor evidence for her being passive-aggressive. Housemates on CBB probably spend half their day swapping anecdotes about which other celebs they have met and how they got on. It is almost never broadcast - not really a 'story' and might give offence. The ONLY reason this was broadcast is that it was part of a bit of a row between Linda and Jim. There is absolutely no reason to doubt her impression that Kirsty Allsopp had not been friendly to her on that day, other than peoples' obvious need to cast every single thing into the worst possible light for Linda.
As so often with comments about BB, they make more sense if we see the as being caused in the opposite direction. So rather than 'Linda is passive aggressive' being a conclusion from that evidence; a prior belief that she has a passive-aggressive "poor me" personality leads to that scene being seen as an example, even though it could easily have other explanations. (And similar for "bait" and some other negative interpretations of what Linda was doing.)

Yes, I think that's right. The best sense of it I can make is that she was making up the beds and he came in at the stage when the pillows were on the floor and flew into a temper; but she did repeatedly say something about moving them to the end of the bed so it's hard to be sure.
That could be right, I suppose, but she threw the pillows on the floor in the scene we saw; they weren't already there, neatly piled -- and so less favourable interpretations are also possible. She did seem to be making the bed, though.

Probably has she, probably? Let's probably attack her anyway. After all, she is an older female, so naturally a witch with a coven, and Jim, who seems to have gone through life being vile about all sorts of people, is a complete gentleman, and must be in the right even when telling young women who are not much liked among the people he is sitting with to f*** off for daring to walk near him.
Well said again.
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:38
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An accusation isn't proof

Maybe Jim will accuse Linda of pushing him down the BB stairs, anyone can make an accusation.
He has readily admitted to domestic violence, so there is not much point in denying it.
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:54
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He has readily admitted to domestic violence, so there is not much point in denying it.
I'm not denying anything: confused: you said "accusation" Did he admit pushing them down the stairs, or was he accused of that but never charged?

I know Jim has a colourful past some of which he's not proud of, but we are judging them in CBB so far I have heard Jim make a remark to one of the girls that I'm still confused about, but I haven't observed him being in anyway nasty to Linda, yes he was a bit annoyed she threw his pillows on the floor (who wouldn't be) but he carried on regardless, she kept quiet, but as soon as she was surrounded by other Hm's (having filled them in on her version of events) she wanted to argue, he cleverly walked away.

Coleen said Linda had Jim thrown out of a club (I think) Shouldn't it be him holding a grudge?
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:58
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She certainly switches from fun loving smiley to stern and harsh in a split second

Very unnerving
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Old 08-01-2014, 14:59
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I thought he was very perceptive about Linda when she was doing her "Kirsty Alsop wasn't nice to me" speech. He's cottoned on to her passive/aggressive "I'm the victim - poor me" personality.

What is it with the Nolans? The last one was just the same with poor old Julie Goodyear.
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Old 08-01-2014, 15:13
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What a dismal collection of horrible stereotypes.
I know you meant the post you quoted, but you might just as well have meant the housemates! Stereotypes, like other forms of cliché, aren't born in a vacuum, they come about through experience. If I harbour a stereotype about Italians waving their hands around a lot, it might be because a lot of Italians wave their hands around a lot. So long as I remember that it's not all Italians, it's just a ready reckon. The same goes for desperate menopausal women, dumb boy band members, glamour models, estuary rap children, large black American sports stars, and so on. So many go into the BB house intent on busting their stereotypes; how many succeed?
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Old 08-01-2014, 15:41
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I know you meant the post you quoted, but you might just as well have meant the housemates! Stereotypes, like other forms of cliché, aren't born in a vacuum, they come about through experience. If I harbour a stereotype about Italians waving their hands around a lot, it might be because a lot of Italians wave their hands around a lot. So long as I remember that it's not all Italians, it's just a ready reckon. The same goes for desperate menopausal women, dumb boy band members, glamour models, estuary rap children, large black American sports stars, and so on. So many go into the BB house intent on busting their stereotypes; how many succeed?
I was wondering how long it would be before an argument that horrible stereotypes were mostly true would appear. And it's interesting that the only stereotype that's actually written out is one of the fairly inoffensive ones, and that even its use as an example is hedged with a "might be".

One reason why HMs "fail" to "bust" stereotypes, btw, is that the stereotype colours how some people interpret what the HM says and does (see confirmation bias). Meanwhile, others may never have thought the HM fit the stereotype in the first place.
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Old 08-01-2014, 16:29
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I was wondering how long it would be...
Well done, you are very experienced at this.

It's not confirmation bias when I recognise that (i) I am an Englishman, (ii) I am uncomfortable with barter and don't complain to the waiter, and (iii) A connection between (i) and (ii) has been made before. Most of the housemates are behaving exactly according to their stereotype. Linda isn't inventing sockball games, Lee isn't pondering existentialism. The group is selected that way, and finding themselves in this situation, they're usually only likely to stick even more rigidly to their role.
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Old 08-01-2014, 16:37
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What is it with the Nolans? The last one was just the same with poor old Julie Goodyear.
Give over, the only part of that sentence that's true is "OLD Julie Goodyear.
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Old 08-01-2014, 17:15
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She and Colleen have issues always playing the victim card - so glad he did not take the bait and she was wrong to try and turn the whole house on him - hope it backfires big time - liking Jim more and more
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Old 09-01-2014, 01:58
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Well done, you are very experienced at this.

It's not confirmation bias when I recognise that (i) I am an Englishman, (ii) I am uncomfortable with barter and don't complain to the waiter, and (iii) A connection between (i) and (ii) has been made before.
That does nothing to show that seeing HMs as failing to bust stereotypes does not involve confirmation bias.

And do you really want to maintain that horrible stereotypes are "a ready reckon" and have a good basis in experience? Even racist stereotypes, and misogynist ones like the "coven" one above?

Most of the housemates are behaving exactly according to their stereotype. Linda isn't inventing sockball games, Lee isn't pondering existentialism. The group is selected that way, and finding themselves in this situation, they're usually only likely to stick even more rigidly to their role.
None of that amounts to "behaving exactly according to their stereotype."
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Old 09-01-2014, 02:08
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What is it with the Nolans? The last one was just the same with poor old Julie Goodyear.
Totally agree, it may seem harsh but 2 have gone in and both have played the 'I know them from old and we don't get on' victim thing.

And who did she think she was, telling them they were still 'free to like Jim' how noble of her
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Old 09-01-2014, 02:37
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Yes, I think that's right. The best sense of it I can make is that she was making up the beds and he came in at the stage when the pillows were on the floor and flew into a temper; but she did repeatedly say something about moving them to the end of the bed so it's hard to be sure.
Actually she did throw them on the floor in front of him while he was there. It was clearly a provocative act. One could almost call it "passive aggressive"
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