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Jim is wasting his chance to redeem himself in the public's eyes
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carolineglasgow
08-01-2014
Jim's career was/is based on a type of humour that was kinda accepted by the TV-watching public in the 80s but has been found offensive and unfunny for quite some time now. From what had become a marginalised position, he was given the chance to maybe show a different side of his personality on Hell's Kitchen and endear himself to a new audience, but he instead made an ass of himself by the way he treated Brian Dowling and his generally unfunny, sometimes appalling, comments and behaviour. So he remained marginalised and unpopular, with a lot of people presumably just thinking he was a bit of a bigot.

He was then arrested under Operation Yewtree before being released as there was no evidence - how awful that must have been and not something you'd wish on your worst enemy. Can you imagine it being splashed all over the papers that you'd been arrested for such crimes, especially when you weren't guilty? I think that this probably led a lot of people to want to give him another chance on CBB........ I for one was sort of hoping that I'd like him in some way. I'm not saying that suffering a wrongful arrest makes someone's homophobic/sexist views suddenly alright, but I just felt that I wanted him to get some sort of break following what must have been an appalling year for him, and I was therefore hoping that he'd show a better side of his personality.

However, three days in, and I'm finding it really difficult to like him. I think he was snippy with Linda over the pillows, his F-off to Jasmine was completely uncalled for, and the "doggy fashion" comment made be wince. I'd also agree with what Linda said about him cutting in on her/ignoring her when she's talking. I just think he's coming across as a nasty piece of work and not someone who's in any way nice to be around. It's a shame, really, as this was a chance for him to wipe the slate clean and maybe have a fresh start.
Mrs BBV
08-01-2014
I like him.
djvizsla
08-01-2014
Redeem himself for what?

Tellin' Ade Edmundson his wife's funnier?
Sun Tzu.
08-01-2014
I like him. Hasn't done anything I would deem wrong. He doesn't have to do anything just to please the PC brigade which is what the OP is hinting at.

He is currently in the Top 3 for who has come across best so far.
wotnot
08-01-2014
I would like Jim more if he had his say and then didn't try to bend others to his opinion. The way he spoke about Liz being barmy (or whatever he called it) I found really offensive, I too refuse to see animals as here for the use of man and so do many compassionate people I know so it's not such an out there theory but he tried to paint her as a lunatic for stating that even though he believes the bible saved him from addiction, he's a horrible misogynistic old man who has done nothing to break the stereotype we have of his generation of comedians.
quirkyquirk
08-01-2014
I don't think Jim gives a toss.He's made enough in the past and probably continues to make a nice bit from his DVD sales.He's probably just thankful he was found innocent and isn't really fussed.
sandy50
08-01-2014
OP - why has he wasted chance to redeem himself ?

we heard tonight that he was asking Luisa to help him find out from Linda what he had done to upset her -

he is trying to sort things out with her - and what has he got to redeem himself about exactly ?

Judi James said she was glad Linda was sticking up for herself with Jim now they're not handcuffed ! but lost me on that comment too - as haven't seen evidence she needed to stick up for herself with him - yet in contradiction Katie Hopkins tonight said she liked Jim and that Linda was the problem
WhatJoeThinks
08-01-2014
Interesting OP, but it assumes that he gives a flying f**k what Joe Public thinks of him. A dare say he's only in it for the money, not to reboot his career or 'redeem' himself. As for being arrested, he certainly shouldn't be expected to 'redeem' himself as he wasn't charged.
sutie
08-01-2014
I think it must be really difficult for a person to constantly have to prove that they're not a complete ba*tard, when all around him are people with the avowed aim to do just that.
whatever54
08-01-2014
I think he's coming across pretty well so far and I used to really dislike him. Nice to see a grown up, far more interesting than watching the kids at work.
Essex Angel*
08-01-2014
I like Jim.
Cheri
08-01-2014
Girl bye!

Y'all acting like Jim came in the house screaming the N word and pissing on women.

The drama queen here is Linda, sat on the bed with a crowd talking shit about Jim when he ain't even paying her NO mind.
Mrs BBV
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by whatever54:
“I think he's coming across pretty well so far and I used to really dislike him. Nice to see a grown up, far more interesting than watching the kids at work.”

This!

Who wants to watch a load of faux romances, engineered sex scenes and crappy relationship dramas when you have Jim, Lionel and Evander on hand. All three major stars with true talent in their own fields.
carolineglasgow
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by WhatJoeThinks:
“Interesting OP, but it assumes that he gives a flying f**k what Joe Public thinks of him. A dare say he's only in it for the money, not to reboot his career or 'redeem' himself. As for being arrested, he certainly shouldn't be expected to 'redeem' himself as he wasn't charged.”

Sorry, I didn't mean redeem himself for the arrest (I agree totally that he has nothing to redeem himself for in that regard). I meant redeem himself for the way he was in Hell's Kitchen with Brian Dowling.

You may be right that he's only in it for the money, but it would've been nice if he'd been able to show that his views had mellowed a bit over time. He does have a chance to kick-start his career if that's what he wants to do (and I agree that it may not). Some of his stuff from way back was quite funny (I remember a routine he used to do about a policeman - "nick nick") and he's can be a good comedian when he avoids the bigoted stuff.
djvizsla
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by carolineglasgow:
“Sorry, I didn't mean redeem himself for the arrest (I agree totally that he has nothing to redeem himself for in that regard). I meant redeem himself for the way he was in Hell's Kitchen with Brian Dowling.

You may be right that he's only in it for the money, but it would've been nice if he'd been able to show that his views had mellowed a bit over time. He does have a chance to kick-start his career if that's what he wants to do (and I agree that it may not). Some of his stuff from way back was quite funny (I remember a routine he used to do about a policeman - "nick nick") and he's can be a good comedian when he avoids the bigoted stuff.”

Precious Dowling milked that for all it was worth.

Should never have been thrown out.
fred5444
08-01-2014
What the hell is it that he's actually done wrong? Based on what we have be shown, he's done nothing remotely out of line. He's stuck in there with a bunch of insecure, bitchy, immature, hypocritical woman on his back and is handling it pretty well.
Sun Tzu.
08-01-2014
One of the few normal people in this series. He was having none of it from Linda.
Paace
08-01-2014
Give Jim enough rope and he'll hang himself . The longer he stays in the more people will see his real character . So far he's been playing it or trying to play it cool, but I can see the resentment simmering under the surface .

He makes an entertaining HM but some better be prepared to be offended . He likes a target for his anger and I think his most likely targets are Linda, Jasmine, Luisa and probably Dappy.
WhatJoeThinks
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by carolineglasgow:
“Sorry, I didn't mean redeem himself for the arrest (I agree totally that he has nothing to redeem himself for in that regard). I meant redeem himself for the way he was in Hell's Kitchen with Brian Dowling.

You may be right that he's only in it for the money, but it would've been nice if he'd been able to show that his views had mellowed a bit over time. He does have a chance to kick-start his career if that's what he wants to do (and I agree that it may not). Some of his stuff from way back was quite funny (I remember a routine he used to do about a policeman - "nick nick") and he's can be a good comedian when he avoids the bigoted stuff.”

Without wishing to judge him, I think he probably has little left to offer in terms of talent. His style of comedy went the way of the Dodo and I doubt he could adapt, or wishes to adapt, to modern sensibilities. He's now a fringe comedian surviving on DVD sales. Good luck to him, I say.
NaughtyNan
08-01-2014
I like him too, you know why? because he's damn faulty just like the rest of us!
NaughtyNan
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Give Jim enough rope and he'll hang himself . The longer he stays in the more people will see his real character . So far he's been playing it or trying to play it cool, but I can see the resentment simmering under the surface .

He makes an entertaining HM but some better be prepared to be offended . He likes a target for his anger and I think his most likely targets are Linda, Jasmine, Luisa and probably Dappy.”

He's is a real person then.
SegaGamer
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by fred5444:
“What the hell is it that he's actually done wrong? Based on what we have be shown, he's done nothing remotely out of line. He's stuck in there with a bunch of insecure, bitchy, immature, hypocritical woman on his back and is handling it pretty well.”

I agree. The others are in the wrong, i had no idea what the hell Linda was getting so annoyed about at all tonight. It's like she just wanted to have a moan for the hell of it.
quirkyquirk
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Paace:
“Give Jim enough rope and he'll hang himself . The longer he stays in the more people will see his real character . So far he's been playing it or trying to play it cool, but I can see the resentment simmering under the surface .

He makes an entertaining HM but some better be prepared to be offended . He likes a target for his anger and I think his most likely targets are Linda, Jasmine, Luisa and probably Dappy.”

Are you one of his ex-wives?
Fried Kickin
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“I agree. The others are in the wrong, i had no idea what the hell Linda was getting so annoyed about at all tonight. It's like she just wanted to have a moan for the hell of it.”

To me it is coming across as she hasn't got over whatever happened way back when and isn't professional enough to rise above it.
Ella71110
08-01-2014
I think Jim has come across great so far and although IMO Linda Nolan is trying to set him up for a fall luckily he's ignored it or realised she wants a reaction in front of everyone so not risen to it,
In fact he seems to be one of the most normal people in there so far!
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