I totally agree - he gives her a backhanded compliment by saying her's a better person for having met her (which I didn't find sincere) but at the same time says she's bonkers. He has that way of undermining people but says it in a jokey way.

Funny enough, I used to like him years ago when he was young, but I can't stand him these days. I feel that there's still a lot of resentment simmering beneath the surface and it's only a matter of time before it comes out.

He's of an old ilk, my own pa could be included of that ilk though I have to say I've never known pops to be misogynistic, maybe a bit sexist But there is a generation where the N word was comedy and grabbing a girls bum or encouraging her to stand on a ladder so you could look up her skirt was ok. Talking about gay men in a derogatory manner was also seen as funny and some people can get away with it because you can just see they haven't moved out of 1975 but Jim is intelligent enough to have moved on and yet he seems to still have enough arrogance to be unpleasant and expect to get away with it.

I felt that when he was saying he was a better person for having met her something derogatory was about to come out and her humbled response stilled him because he realised it would have been cruel. I agree with the undermining! I liked him too in t' old days when I didn't know better

Jim stated in his VT on launch night that he has long since stopped trying to change people's minds about him, so if he has wasted his chance I would strongly doubt that he cares too much.

I don't mind Jim, he is a wind up merchant and he is good at it. This type of quality adds a lot to a program like Big Brother because I doubt many people want a totally harmoneous house, punctuated by occasional "will they, won't they" showmances.

Tonight we saw him winding up Linda and then later on Jasmine. Both of them reacted negatively as expected. As far as Jim's concerned, job done. Great! The only bit the confuses me is why certain FMs are affording him victim status as if he was quietly minding his own business when all of a sudden the rest of the housemates turned against the poor defenseless guy. He could verbally chew up and spit out any of them.

Jim is a pantomime villan so celebrate him for what he is. A few days in, and a couple of red wines later, he is playing to character.

A really thoughtful and thought provoking post OP.

I didn't expect to like him at all. I didn't want him in the house and expected him to be intolerable. The reason I thought this was because I had the misfortune to work in a hotel many years ago where he was a guest for many weeks. Summer season in a sea side resort - the same sort of bill that the Nolan's might do.

He didn't do anything disgustingly wrong but he was one of those guests who treated chamber maids, waiters, receptionists like something off his shoe - unless they were pretty in which case he still treated them like dirt but tried to chat them up too. I tend to judge people by how they treat the 'little people' in life

I also witnessed him being really nasty to a cub reporter from the local paper who was sent to cover a charity football match. Yet when the BBC local news team showed up he was suddenly charm personified

I have to say so far I haven't found him intolerable. I am trying to keep an open mind on the grounds that my experience was a log time ago. He was more famous, I was a bit naïve maybe etc. Two nights ago I was thinking I was going to have to reform my long held opinion, he was coming over really well. I thought one or both of us had perhaps mellowed. Since then though I am beginning to see flashes of the past although I might be seeing what I expect to see even though I am trying to be fair.

I am not going to rush to judgement but for now I am prepared to consider the possibility that Linda may have good reason for her ambivalence.

I thought I'd hate Jim since Hells Kitchen but I actually think he's okay.

Really interesting post, thank you

I agree, he hasn't been as odious as I expected him to be lol... but it's early days yet. All we are seeing is people chewing nipples and shagging in toilets, there hasn't been enough of the "other" group of people ... which would be the majority of the house, which is unfair! The irony being that the HMs getting the most airtime more than likely don't include the winner of the show!

I have never liked Jim Davidson, not when he was a game-show presenter or seeing him do stand-up on TV. He just isn't my kind of comedian, and when I was younger not much made me laugh anyway

So far he has made me laugh at times, he's very quick-witted and that can be great in a group of people such as this. However, things seem to be slowly unravelling in several areas of the house, and it will be interesting to see what unfolds over the coming days.

Exactly the same reason why she was so bitter about Julie Goodyear on BOTS and she was such a bitch to her husband.I'm not painting Goodyear as a nice person either because I don't think she is but it's pretty clear the Nolans are not forgive and forget types.

So do I surprisingly

There was a confrontation around a table after one of the services had finished, and EVERYONE ELSE that was left, even the ones Jim was closest to, was saying that Jim was in the wrong.

I like him too, redeem himself for what???
that's a bit judgemental for saying that.

This ^^^

He was in the wrong but surely everyone deserves a second chance? Well, I think so anyway and am willing to give him that.

Maybe he does, but djvizsla said that Brian Dowling milked it for all it was worth and I replied back that everyone that was there said that Jim was in the wrong. I didn't say anything about second chances to them.

Of course they were because they saw how upset Dowling was.So they were taking his side.When Jim said gay stands for good as you Dowling was still getting upset and some of the others were acting shocked.How is that even an insult?

I don't think Brian milked it for all it was worth. he just reached a point where he felt completely undermined by Jim's not so little digs all the time. I was surprised that Jim would have such a thing about gays. He must have worked with a lot of them over the years.

I was prepared to at least be neutral about Jim when he went in, but there's something about the way he delivers his opinions that is really arrogant. I don't think I'll ever like him.

Who cares about Brian Dowling - he is history, and what does Hells Kitchen have to do with CBB. I have always liked Jim and think that a lot of what he says he is pretty much "tongue in cheek". If we really need to go in to what people have done outside of CBB, Jim has done a lot of stand up shows for our lads and lasses when they serve abroad. Given the choice I would rather spend a day in Jim's company as opposed to 2 minutes in Nolans. I have been in Jims position loads of times - people tell me I am wrong, but hey if I think I am right, then sod em - I AM RIGHT

So if Jim Davidson had got upset, saying that he felt people were victimising him, would everyone have taken his side. I don't think so.


Brian was upset and Jim wasn't taking him seriously. He was still making digs at him, even when Brian had asked him to stop several times. And with the "good as you" comment, he was still trying to make a joke out of it. I think that's why everyone acted "shocked".

I was pleasantly surprised by Jim, and I think he's a really genuine person. I think Linda was expecting him to come across as a hot-headed sexist pig which he hasn't proved to be. So, being the ruthless cow she is, she deliberately tried to set him up.

I'm praying Jim doesn't take the bait. He just needs to keep his cool and ignore's Linda's games. If he does this, Linda will self-destruct and Jim will triumph.

Can't say.It depends what it was about.If it was about his personal battles with booze then yes I think they would take his side.

Makes no difference.They've said he was out of order for something that wasn't an insult.Dowling himself said afterwards he couldn't believe how he misinterpreted it.

He may have misinterpreted the Good As You comment, but he didn't misinterpret Jim going on about shirtlifters having a certain look on their faces. Using the term "shirtlifters" is offensive, especially when addressesd to a gay person. I can't believe that Jim didn't know it was offensive.

When he first said that word, Brian said, "Don't say "shirtlifters". It's really rude." Jim replied, "I don't care." Brian and Jim had already clashed several times before this, but Jim still didn't care that Brian was getting upset.

And my point to quirkyquirk is, if someone is upset with you about something and asks you to stop, then the decent thing to do is to stop. Jim Davidson didn't stop at all, but just carried on. He knew how Brian felt about it, but he just carried on with what he was doing. That makes Jim to be in the wrong.

She was actively spinning against him and it was very nasty. Continually planting the suggestion with people that they ought to dislike him, then walking away. She's a nasty piece of work and spiteful.

Ofcom complaints Not Upheld.
Article 8 this report Ofcom.

http://stakeholders.ofcom.org.uk/enf...letins/obb100/


In terms of the likely degree of harm and offence, Ofcom further noted that during the episodes broadcast on 4, 7 and 8 September Jim Davidson did not direct offensive comments at Brian Dowling. For example, during the programme broadcast on 7 September, the terms “shirt-lifter” and “poof” were used by Jim Davidson to illustrate words that might be deemed unacceptable, not as personal comments. Further, Ofcom noted that during these three programmes Brian Dowling did not accuse Jim Davidson of directing offensive homophobic comments towards him.

So what? Brian was upset, asked Jim to stop several times, but he didn't. Just because OFCOM didn't feel Jim's comments were offensive, it doesn't mean that Brian shouldn't have felt they were offensive as well.