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Jim is wasting his chance to redeem himself in the public's eyes
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Essex Angel*
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by ABCZYX:
“So what? Brian was upset, asked Jim to stop several times, but he didn't. Just because OFCOM didn't feel Jim's comments were offensive, it doesn't mean that Brian shouldn't have felt they were offensive as well.”

Did you miss this bit?
during these three programmes Brian Dowling did not accuse Jim Davidson of directing offensive homophobic comments towards him.

WhatJoeThinks
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Oldnbold:
“Who cares about Brian Dowling - he is history, and what does Hells Kitchen have to do with CBB. I have always liked Jim and think that a lot of what he says he is pretty much "tongue in cheek". If we really need to go in to what people have done outside of CBB, Jim has done a lot of stand up shows for our lads and lasses when they serve abroad. Given the choice I would rather spend a day in Jim's company as opposed to 2 minutes in Nolans. I have been in Jims position loads of times - people tell me I am wrong, but hey if I think I am right, then sod em - I AM RIGHT”

That's one way of looking at it. Another way is that Jim has peddled discriminatory humour for the MoD to facilitate the desensitizing of young men and women so that they can kill on command without suffering post traumatic stress. Whichever way you look at it he was doing it for the money.
The1Kuda
08-01-2014
He intimidates me. And I'm a viewer. So that's saying something
Beachhhhhhh
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by The1Kuda:
“He intimidates me. And I'm a viewer. So that's saying something”

Poor flower.
Pitman
08-01-2014
blimey, can you imagine what this guy was like on coke when he's this boorish sober?
Scarlett Berry
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Pitman:
“blimey, can you imagine what this guy was like on coke when he's this boorish sober? ”

Thought the same thing. Utter nightmare.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Sun Tzu.:
“One of the few normal people in this series. He was having none of it from Linda.”

Normal????

God help us. Ask his ex wives what 'normal' is. I know I have said I'll judge what goes on in the house but ...............if he's normal - that scares me TBH.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by An Thropologist:
“A really thoughtful and thought provoking post OP.

I didn't expect to like him at all. I didn't want him in the house and expected him to be intolerable. The reason I thought this was because I had the misfortune to work in a hotel many years ago where he was a guest for many weeks. Summer season in a sea side resort - the same sort of bill that the Nolan's might do.

He didn't do anything disgustingly wrong but he was one of those guests who treated chamber maids, waiters, receptionists like something off his shoe - unless they were pretty in which case he still treated them like dirt but tried to chat them up too. I tend to judge people by how they treat the 'little people' in life

I also witnessed him being really nasty to a cub reporter from the local paper who was sent to cover a charity football match. Yet when the BBC local news team showed up he was suddenly charm personified

I have to say so far I haven't found him intolerable. I am trying to keep an open mind on the grounds that my experience was a log time ago. He was more famous, I was a bit naïve maybe etc. Two nights ago I was thinking I was going to have to reform my long held opinion, he was coming over really well. I thought one or both of us had perhaps mellowed. Since then though I am beginning to see flashes of the past although I might be seeing what I expect to see even though I am trying to be fair.

I am not going to rush to judgement but for now I am prepared to consider the possibility that Linda may have good reason for her ambivalence.”



Agree 100%

It is a shame that those on here who have taken a dislike to Linda are using this fracas as a stick to beat her with. I just think .........give him enough rope. It'll be like Barrymore all over again IMO. Started out OK but ......he couldn't keep it up.
radcliffe95
08-01-2014
Get real OP, Jim hasn't even started yet. He'd rip that skanky Nolan to be bits if he so chose.
Sallyforth
08-01-2014
A leapoard won't change its spots. He is what he is, and I don't think he went in there to change perceptions of him, if he did then yes, her's probably failed.
wonkeydonkey
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by sandy50:
“Judi James said she was glad Linda was sticking up for herself with Jim now they're not handcuffed ! but lost me on that comment too - as haven't seen evidence she needed to stick up for herself with him - yet in contradiction Katie Hopkins tonight said she liked Jim and that Linda was the problem”

It's never going to go well if you have to bring Katie Hopkins forward as evidence that Jim is the nicer of the two.
Originally Posted by sutie:
“I think it must be really difficult for a person to constantly have to prove that they're not a complete ba*tard, when all around him are people with the avowed aim to do just that.”

It seems to be Linda who came into the bB house with half the forum hating her before she started. Perhaps that was what you were referring to?
Originally Posted by Cheri:
“Girl bye!

Y'all acting like Jim came in the house screaming the N word and pissing on women.

The drama queen here is Linda, sat on the bed with a crowd talking shit about Jim when he ain't even paying her NO mind.”

He was indeed 'paying her mind', enough 'mind' to flounce out in a temper when she was trying to explain, openly and face to face, why he had annoyed her as he asked her to do.
Originally Posted by NaughtyNan:
“I like him too, you know why? because he's damn faulty just like the rest of us!”

You like all of them then?
Originally Posted by SegaGamer:
“I agree. The others are in the wrong, i had no idea what the hell Linda was getting so annoyed about at all tonight. It's like she just wanted to have a moan for the hell of it.”

I think a clue might be:

Jim: "Tell me what I have done that has annoyed you."
Linda: "Well for a start, you are always talking over me."
Jim: "Yes." (Nods)
Originally Posted by Odette Valmont:
“I'm praying Jim doesn't take the bait. He just needs to keep his cool and ignore's Linda's games. If he does this, Linda will self-destruct and Jim will triumph.”

There was no bait and no games. He asked her why she was annoyed, she started telling him, openly and face to face, and he refused to listen.
Originally Posted by Altar of Onan:
“She was actively spinning against him and it was very nasty. Continually planting the suggestion with people that they ought to dislike him, then walking away.”

I have absolutely no memory of this.
Originally Posted by radcliffe95:
“Get real OP, Jim hasn't even started yet. He'd rip that skanky Nolan to be bits if he so chose.”

"That skanky Nolan", eh? You sound nice.
pie-eyed
08-01-2014
Jim did not "flounce out in a temper". He walked away from someone looking for an argument with half the house surrounding her. If Linda wanted to sort things out with Jim she would have taken him aside and spoken to him privately. As for the basis of her supposed dislike, "talking over her", that's ridiculous. There are 12 people there. Everyone does not fall silent every time someone else speaks. Its always the case on BB. Too many people trying to talk and people often being cut off mid flow. Trying to demonise someone else for speaking when she is is absolutely ridiculous. If he's not listening to her, so what, talk to whoever is listening and let him do his thing.

Likewise the Kate Hopkins thing. Maybe not everyones favourite person on TV but not liking Jim because she said she does? Really. I've been watching Jim Davidson on TV all my life. Don't really have an opinion of him as a person, but It wasn't him badmouthing another housemate before anyone had ever entered the house. He's not going round trying to turn the house against anyone else. Linda is. Don't forget they are all on their own in there and having someone gather a little gang around them to undermine you must be a horrible feeling for anyone. So, I'd much rather watch Jim in there than Linda who, in my opinion, once she thinks she has others on her side, is going to get completely carried away and show herself up big time.
wonkeydonkey
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“Jim did not "flounce out in a temper". He walked away from someone looking for an argument with half the house surrounding her.”

He asked her why she was annoyed, then stormed out in a huff when she started answering the question.

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“If Linda wanted to sort things out with Jim she would have taken him aside and spoken to him privately. As for the basis of her supposed dislike, "talking over her", that's ridiculous. There are 12 people there. Everyone does not fall silent every time someone else speaks.”

Why do you think he nodded and agreed when she said he kept talking over her? Why do you think she did not have any issue with anyone else talking over her? Isn't the most likely explanation that he keeps talking over her - as we have seen him do?
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“Likewise the Kate Hopkins thing. Maybe not everyones favourite person on TV but not liking Jim because she said she does?”

She has never struck me as anything except a horrible bitch. I did not watch last night's BOTS, but people on here are commenting that Jim Davidson is the only person she didn't have anything bad to say about. So really, she seems to have won an army of new fans just by singling Jim Davidson out as being the only worthy person.
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“. I've been watching Jim Davidson on TV all my life.”

Perhaps you can explain something to me then. What WAS the joke he made about Damilola Taylor that caused such an uproar? All I can see is him saying "I only said that the killers should be locked up for life." But that CAN'T be true. There is no pretence of a joke there, and nothing for people to be outraged by.
dome
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“Jim did not "flounce out in a temper". He walked away from someone looking for an argument with half the house surrounding her. If Linda wanted to sort things out with Jim she would have taken him aside and spoken to him privately. As for the basis of her supposed dislike, "talking over her", that's ridiculous. There are 12 people there. Everyone does not fall silent every time someone else speaks. Its always the case on BB. Too many people trying to talk and people often being cut off mid flow. Trying to demonise someone else for speaking when she is is absolutely ridiculous. If he's not listening to her, so what, talk to whoever is listening and let him do his thing.

Likewise the Kate Hopkins thing. Maybe not everyones favourite person on TV but not liking Jim because she said she does? Really. I've been watching Jim Davidson on TV all my life. Don't really have an opinion of him as a person, but It wasn't him badmouthing another housemate before anyone had ever entered the house. He's not going round trying to turn the house against anyone else. Linda is. Don't forget they are all on their own in there and having someone gather a little gang around them to undermine you must be a horrible feeling for anyone. So, I'd much rather watch Jim in there than Linda who, in my opinion, once she thinks she has others on her side, is going to get completely carried away and show herself up big time.”

Couldn't agree more.
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“Jim did not "flounce out in a temper". He walked away from someone looking for an argument with half the house surrounding her. If Linda wanted to sort things out with Jim she would have taken him aside and spoken to him privately. As for the basis of her supposed dislike, "talking over her", that's ridiculous. There are 12 people there. Everyone does not fall silent every time someone else speaks. Its always the case on BB. Too many people trying to talk and people often being cut off mid flow. Trying to demonise someone else for speaking when she is is absolutely ridiculous. If he's not listening to her, so what, talk to whoever is listening and let him do his thing.

Likewise the Kate Hopkins thing. Maybe not everyones favourite person on TV but not liking Jim because she said she does? Really. I've been watching Jim Davidson on TV all my life. Don't really have an opinion of him as a person, but It wasn't him badmouthing another housemate before anyone had ever entered the house. He's not going round trying to turn the house against anyone else. Linda is. Don't forget they are all on their own in there and having someone gather a little gang around them to undermine you must be a horrible feeling for anyone. So, I'd much rather watch Jim in there than Linda who, in my opinion, once she thinks she has others on her side, is going to get completely carried away and show herself up big time.”


No one has said he flounced out in temper .........I think those who know of Jim though, know that he wouldn't be capable of talking it out without getting rattled and losing it a bit ....it's how he is. He asked her what was the problem - she tried to tell him (quite calmly I thought) he walked away.

She was not trying to turn the house against him at all - quite the contrary. She said (when asked) that she had a problem with him - she said they didn't like each other (and I've no reason to suspect that's untrue) - she then went on to say she didn't want others to turn against him it was her problem. She couldn't have made it any clearer. If you want to put a spin on that - that's up to you. It seemed pretty cut and dried to me.
yohinnchild
08-01-2014
I'm waiting for him to blow like Hell's Kitchen

You could see in last nights HLs show he is biting his lip; however you can see he is uncomfortable. He managed to walk away from Linda and Jasmine last night and the cracks could be seen when Luisa was drunk and dared him to suck the bottle.

He's holding it together now; but I'm expectingn him to blow soon then walk
SnowStorm86
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by radcliffe95:
“Get real OP, Jim hasn't even started yet. He'd rip that skanky Nolan to be bits if he so chose.”

You make him sound so charming.
Blue Eyed lady
08-01-2014
I don't particularly like what Linda did last night but I do get the feeling we're not seeing the real JD, I see a man trying very hard not to put a foot wrong & would be very surprised indeed if we don't see another nastier side of him while he's in there.
yohinnchild
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by SnowStorm86:
“You make him sound so charming.”

He does have previous form. I'll admit I'm liking Jim more than I thought but I'm still expecting him to just blow up and either be removed of walk himself.

Really though his behaviour etc is being diluted by te fact so many other HMs are awful or have had controversy; Lee, Evander, Jasmine and Dappy
pie-eyed
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by Penny Crayon:
“No one has said he flounced out in temper .........I think those who know of Jim though, know that he wouldn't be capable of talking it out without getting rattled and losing it a bit ....it's how he is. He asked her what was the problem - she tried to tell him (quite calmly I thought) he walked away.

She was not trying to turn the house against him at all - quite the contrary. She said (when asked) that she had a problem with him - she said they didn't like each other (and I've no reason to suspect that's untrue) - she then went on to say she didn't want others to turn against him it was her problem. She couldn't have made it any clearer. If you want to put a spin on that - that's up to you. It seemed pretty cut and dried to me.”

I used the quotation marks in "flounced out in a temper" because it was said. More than once. That is not how I saw it. She was looking to start an argument he said "I'm going to walk away" and did.
SnowStorm86
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by yohinnchild:
“He does have previous form. I'll admit I'm liking Jim more than I thought but I'm still expecting him to just blow up and either be removed of walk himself.

Really though his behaviour etc is being diluted by te fact so many other HMs are awful or have had controversy; Lee, Evander, Jasmine and Dappy”

I also don't mind Jim, and any rudeness that he might display is just him playing up to his pantomime villain persona - at the moment.

I know we are supposed to approach housemates with fresh minds, ignoring their pasts, but as you suggest, he is a bomb waiting to explode which would be true to form.
Sick Bullet
08-01-2014
I'd rather listen to Jim and Evander Holyfield's stories any day, but don't get me wrong I don't mind a bit of drunken fun
Penny Crayon
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“I used the quotation marks in "flounced out in a temper" because it was said. More than once. That is not how I saw it. She was looking to start an argument he said "I'm going to walk away" and did.”

How exactly was she looking to start an argument? He walked in on a conversation and asked her 'What have I done?' When she tried to tell him why she was upset .....................he walked away. Is that trying to start an argument or responding to his question? He walked into the conversation remember?
SnowStorm86
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by pie-eyed:
“I used the quotation marks in "flounced out in a temper" because it was said. More than once. That is not how I saw it. She was looking to start an argument he said "I'm going to walk away" and did.”

I agree to the extent that she was looking to clear the air - one way or another - meaning it could easily have ended in a full on argument. However, the case could be made that Jim was originally the one looking to pick a fight when earlier that day he was interrupting and making little digs at her when she was recounting some anecdotal story to a few others. I think that was the point when Linda went into defensive mode. I think Jim was just being a bit of a wind up merchant (shock!) and Linda made the mistake of taking it to heart, and then stewing on it for the rest of the day.
summertime09
08-01-2014
Originally Posted by whatever54:
“I think he's coming across pretty well so far and I used to really dislike him. Nice to see a grown up, far more interesting than watching the kids at work.”

Completely agree, I think Linda is coming across as a complete bitch!!
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