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If you look at the passing stats, I think it's pretty clear Chadli through the middle/Eriksen out wide didn't work, especially for Chadli. Not even sure why Poch went that route:
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I see nothing has changed. I see the same players are getting criticised, and the same ones are escaping criticism.
On the mention of the defence, I had no issue with a Fazio and Jan pairing last season. We were solid defensively and had a great win record with them. Fazio has been made the scapegoat when he was never the problem. I'm yet to see anything from Alderweireld that makes me see why he is rated so highly. He's another Jan at the moment, who flatters to deceive. And I absolutely hate this new wide CB tactic we're employing.... |
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If you do manage to offload Lamela maybe we could interest you in Juan Cuadrado as a replacement? [/wishful thinking]
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I am so glad we haven't sold Fazio. We are going to need him sooner or later if Alderweirald doesn't shape up. Fazio and Wimmer could actually turn out to be our best CB pairing, so it will be interssting to see them play together in one of the cup competitions.
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we could have Thiago Silva and Mats Hummels as our CB pairing, and we'd still be finding fault with individuals when the problem lies with the system and (lack of) organisation. we don't protect our back-four at all. Dier has done ok so far in defensive midfield, but we can't fool ourselves into thinking he's a viable long-term option.
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well i'm reading this morning that fazio to west brom for £5m is a "formality". if this is true it obviously seems to be paving the way for Berahino to join us.
It would leave us rotating 3 CB's if Dier continues to play at DM I suppose. |
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Ok, I think we can do business if we can also send you a nice decorative piece of furniture to hang your hat on as well. He'll only cost £100k a week!
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well i'm reading this morning that fazio to west brom for £5m is a "formality". if this is true it obviously seems to be paving the way for Berahino to join us.
It would leave us rotating 3 CB's if Dier continues to play at DM I suppose. |
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Comment about keeping Fazio, cue rumours he's leaving. Always the way.
I've not seen much of Wimmer, so I can't comment on what kind of CB he is, but I am concerned that if Fazio does go, we're leaving ourselves with only ball playing CBs. I've always said the best CB pairings are made of one who sits a bit deeper and gets stuck in, and one who sits a bit further forward. You get the best of both worlds, and it's why Ledley and Daws worked, why Jan and Daws worked, and why Fazio and Daws worked. I do feel sorry for Fazio. Possibly selling him after a season in which we made him play a high line and made him the scapegoat for any defensive problems when he was never the problem. Yet if you look at the games, we had a great record with him, and he was forming a very good, solid partnership with Jan. That pairing still enabled the fullbacks to get forward, and the rest of the team to press, so I'm baffled as to why we have not stuck with that, and yet again changed things seemingly not for the better (again!). If we're sticking with Jan and Toby playing with this ridiculously wide CB tactic, don't expect a better defensive record any time soon. Also, if we're continuing with Dier as a DM, it seems odd that we seem happy to leave ourselves with only three CBs? |
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Heh! You'll be wanting another striker then. In that case maybe we can arrange for Falcao's loan to be transferred over to you for the aeason.
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Comment about keeping Fazio, cue rumours he's leaving. Always the way.
http://www.shoot.co.uk/west-brom-bid...ttenham-flop/? As far as Dier as a DM goes, if his first two games are anything to go by, he would actually be a considerably better option than Bentaleb but I don't think it would necessarily preclude him from playing at CB again, especially in the league cup or europa league. |
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It's been picked up by a few places - here's one at random. Obviously, as with most of these rumours, it's probably more than likely to be just idle speculation more than anything but with the reports of us being seriously in for berahino but unwilling to pay west brom's reported £25m fee, there could be some weight to it. http://www.shoot.co.uk/west-brom-bid...ttenham-flop/? As far as Dier as a DM goes, if his first two games are anything to go by, he would actually be a considerably better option than Bentaleb but I don't think it would necessarily preclude him from playing at CB again, especially in the league cup or europa league. And I agree. Bentaleb hasn't started the season well at all. But I'd rather have enough cover for each specific area, rather than have one player covering across two. Because if he gets injured, we lose a CB and a DM in one swoop. |
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Selling Fazio will be so in keeping with everything that's going on with us at the moment. Sell an experienced defender, leaving as backup a 22 year old who has never kicked a ball for us, and a 21 year old....who just happens to now be our first-choice DM. What could possibly go wrong?
*Cue one of Vertonghen and Alderweireld getting sent off in the next game, and the other one getting injured* There's now not a single outfield position where we have adequate depth. This obsession with having the youngest squad ever is sheer lunacy. |
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Selling Fazio will be so in keeping with everything that's going on with us at the moment. Sell an experienced defender, leaving as backup a 22 year old who has never kicked a ball for us, and a 21 year old....who just happens to now be our first-choice DM. What could possibly go wrong?
*Cue one of Vertonghen and Alderweireld getting sent off in the next game, and the other one getting injured* There's now not a single outfield position where we have adequate depth. This obsession with having the youngest squad ever is sheer lunacy. |
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Having got around to looking at the goals again, no question Dier is at most fault for the pen.
Lost concentration, out of position, actually standing directly behind another Tottenham player instead nullifying the player who put the ball through to Joselu. Bad error. |
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Alderweireld's view on things: http://www.football365.com/tottenham...8/Alderweireld Quote:
The defender earned his transfer to White Hart Lane last season by consistently impressing while on loan at Southampton, where he often benefited from the presence of Morgan Schneiderlin and Victor Wanyama in front of him.
He admits he is still adapting to the different style of play at Spurs but knows he cannot afford to repeat mistakes while he does so. "At Southampton, Victor Wanyama and Morgan Schneiderlin put good pressure on so [opponents] didn't have time to put the ball in the box; it makes it easier for defenders," he said. "You have to play better because if you don't play football any more then they can put more pressure on you, get more guys in the box, and it's very difficult. "Last season I didn't make one mistake. I want to prove myself here and so it feels bad for me to make a mistake in my first home game. "I just wanted to catch the ball and if I stood behind him [Stoke's Joselu] he couldn't do anything. It was stupid of me. Maybe if I didn't give the penalty away it's different." |
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WBA have rejected our £15m bid for Berahino which confirms we are definitely in for him. Their valuation is £25m which you just know Levy is not going to pay anywhere near.
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WBA have rejected our £15m bid for Berahino which confirms we are definitely in for him. Their valuation is £25m which you just know Levy is not going to pay anywhere near.
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There's always Charlie Austin?
Having watched Austin in his Swindon days I would say that he is what they call a "natural goalscorer". The only thing is that apparently Berahino can play as a wide attacker too and I don't think Austin could. |
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We actually need two strikers still, so why not Austin and Berahino? I see N'Jie more of a replacement for Lennon. There is actually not a lot of choice left if we ae are looking at taking a player from an English club. I would at least snap Austin up at £15m right now as a backup striker just in case we don't land anyone else. It does make me wonder though about our inability to bring in a decent No. 9 from abroad.
There was an article in one of the free papers yesterday on how we always seem to go into a new season with an incomplete squad and end up making panic buys as the window closes. |
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I know it was only a blog opinion piece but i was reading one last night that cast doubt on levy's claim that he would take a step back from transfer dealings and allow mitchell to oversee the whole operation.
it said that it was unlikely that mitchell would have sourced a player like n'jie while working with pochettino at southampton so it made you wonder if he really was being backed in the transfer market with the players he wanted. again, only an opinion piece but certainly food for thought. |
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With N'Jie's transfer, I read that they had to bring Baldini back in to negotiate with Lyon's Chairman as dealings with Levy had become fraught.
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With N'Jie's transfer, I read that they had to bring Baldini back in to negotiate with Lyon's Chairman as dealings with Levy had become fraught.
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I never get the sh*t that gets directed towards Levy over our transfer dealings. he's obviously not perfect and could do with getting some of these deals done quicker, but during his time here we've established a reputation around the world for a) getting top dollar for our players and b) not paying over the odds for others. say what you like about the man, but you can't really argue with that. that has been priceless for a club of our size. furthermore, there are several far bigger clubs like ours around Europe that don't manage a and/or b.
Aulas is every bit as notoriously difficult as Levy is supposed to be, and was still trying to generate an auction after N'jie had already completed his medical and was getting ready to be announced, and Levy is the one at fault here? also, I'm not buying that opinion piece re transfers. I don't believe a credible argument can be made for the manager not being backed when he's been allowed to drastically reduce the size of the squad in the way that he has. Baldini and AVB are always being held accountable regardless for our Summer 2013 transfers dealings, for me these are on Mitchell and Pochettino. there's no manager in world football that gets all the players he wants and gets rid of all the ones he doesn't, everyone has to be able to play the hand they're dealt. there's no reason why ours should be any different. |
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I never get the sh*t that gets directed towards Levy over our transfer dealings. he's obviously not perfect and could do with getting some of these deals done quicker, but during his time here we've established a reputation around the world for a) getting top dollar for our players and b) not paying over the odds for others. say what you like about the man, but you can't really argue with that. that has been priceless for a club of our size. furthermore, there are several far bigger clubs like ours around Europe that don't manage a and/or b.
Aulas is every bit as notoriously difficult as Levy is supposed to be, and was still trying to generate an auction after N'jie had already completed his medical and was getting ready to be announced, and Levy is the one at fault here? also, I'm not buying that opinion piece re transfers. I don't believe a credible argument can be made for the manager not being backed when he's been allowed to drastically reduce the size of the squad in the way that he has. Baldini and AVB are always being held accountable regardless for our Summer 2013 transfers dealings, for me these are on Mitchell and Pochettino. there's no manager in world football that gets all the players he wants and gets rid of all the ones he doesn't, everyone has to be able to play the hand they're dealt. there's no reason why ours should be any different. And there's no way it would be Levy's decision to sell players after being here for such a short space of time, with most being sold at a loss. Those decision are clearly Pochettino's. |
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The main man says: West Ham pull out of signing Hatstand from Tottenham. The photo says it all.
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The main man says: West Ham pull out of signing Hatstand from Tottenham. The photo says it all.
He's getting paid either way, so why not just get shot of him now ?. |
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