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Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Thread (Part 12)
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JasonWatkins
01-09-2015
I don't know if there's anything close to the truth in this but it's really quite incredible.

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“Emmanuel Adebayor killed off any chance of playing football again before January after rejecting a Tottenham Hotspur pay-off and turning down a host of summer moves on the advice of his pastor.

The future of Adebayor has been one of the sagas of the summer and Telegraph Sport can reveal that he not only demanded huge money to leave Spurs, but also pulled out of a move to Aston Villa because he claimed he needed a sign from God.

Tottenham were desperate to offload Adebayor this summer and made the striker a deadline-day offer to cancel the remaining year of his £100,000-a-week contract, so that he could join a new club as a free agent.

But Adebayor initially rejected Tottenham’s offer, insisting that he would only leave if his contract was paid up front and in full, which would have cost the club around £5million.

Spurs were willing to pay Adebayor his £100,000-a-week wages until such time as he found a new club and supplement any shortfall he incurred by playing elsewhere, but refused to cave in to his sky-high demands.

With minutes of the transfer window remaining, Adebayor is understood to have signed the contract termination paper on Tottenham’s terms but changed his mind at the last minute and ruined any hopes of a move.”

Also ..

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“The 31-year-old had been close to joining Aston Villa at the end of July, but stunned Villa officials when, having completed a medical and posed for pictures in the club’s shirt, he stalled on the deal by claiming that he wanted a sign from God that it would be the correct move.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-from-God.html
MikeOf LBuzzard
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“So, we didn't get the player we wanted, and we've ended up stuck with the two we wanted to get rid of. Not a great day.

I don't see us getting anywhere with Levy in charge until the PL dish out points for finances.”

Unfortunately this has been the case for several years.
Sugar made a HUGE mistake when he sold out to
Levy and co.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
When it comes to Adebayor, nothing would surprise me. There cannot have been many more difficult players to deal with than him. I don't know if he was always like this but he seems to be a total crackpot now. It would be interesting to know what the rest of the squad think of him. All we can do now is to wait for his contract to run out and then breathe a sigh of relief.
Deep Purple
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by skinj:
“Yet bizarrely we did that, kept Harry & Jol on for longer than anyone else all the way back to Gerry Francis (!) and they progressed the club. Then Levy, in his ultimate wisdom, gets shot of them and we immediately go down hill. Think Levy does wonders on finances but his decision making for managers is not great.”

Spot on. I'm sure Harry and Jol were emergency appointments, intended to keep us ticking over until Levy found his next big European name, but both exceeded all expectations, and he had to wait for a slight slump before he could stab them both in the back, and once again go for a Yes Man. Maybe one day he'll get it right, but I wont hold my breath.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
I've never understood the point of moaning about Levy. He is simply doing his job. If we want to compete with the teams above us then we need access to the same level of finances that they have. Levy doesn't have it. So where do we get it?
The_Moth
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Spot on. I'm sure Harry and Jol were emergency appointments, intended to keep us ticking over until Levy found his next big European name, but both exceeded all expectations, and he had to wait for a slight slump before he could stab them both in the back, and once again go for a Yes Man. Maybe one day he'll get it right, but I wont hold my breath.”

If Levy did stab Harry in the back it was because he was already halfway out the door on the way to the England job.
MikeOf LBuzzard
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“I've never understood the point of moaning about Levy. He is simply doing his job. If we want to compete with the teams above us then we need access to the same level of finances that they have. Levy doesn't have it. So where do we get it?”

I can never understand why people support Levy. He is NOT just doing his job . He is making a nice little packet for himself while completely selling the fans down the river. He could have got Barahino for £2m more than he offered. Are you seriously telling me Spurs cannot afford this.
Pee
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“I've never understood the point of moaning about Levy. He is simply doing his job. If we want to compete with the teams above us then we need access to the same level of finances that they have. Levy doesn't have it. So where do we get it?”

this.

Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“If Levy did stab Harry in the back it was because he was already halfway out the door on the way to the England job.”

this.
Deep Purple
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“I've never understood the point of moaning about Levy. He is simply doing his job. If we want to compete with the teams above us then we need access to the same level of finances that they have. Levy doesn't have it. So where do we get it?”

Perhaps if he told us our limitations it would help, rather than keep playing games, and pretending we're heading for the big time, when he's penny pinching all the time.

He continually raises hopes, and fails to deliver.
Deep Purple
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“If Levy did stab Harry in the back it was because he was already halfway out the door on the way to the England job.”

But he wasn't by the time the knife was inserted. That was all over. I think Levy assumed Harry was going, and was planning his next move, but Harry didn't get the England job, which meant he had to get rid.

Whatever people think of Harry, those three seasons were light years ahead in terms of entertainment, and hope, than what we've endured the last three.

Levy has screwed up time after time with managers, and with transfers.

The books may be in great order, but we don't get points, or entertainment for that.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by MikeOf LBuzzard:
“I can never understand why people support Levy. He is NOT just doing his job . He is making a nice little packet for himself while completely selling the fans down the river. He could have got Barahino for £2m more than he offered. Are you seriously telling me Spurs cannot afford this.”

I don't particularly support Levy. I don't have a strong feeling about him either way. As I understand it, we are a club run purely on a business basis i.e. without cash injections from a mega-rich sugar daddy, obviously in recent years we have been consistently in the top third of the Premier League and apparently we are financially secure. That doesn't seem to be what one might expect from being sold down the river.

I'd be interested how you know that we lost out on signing Berahino for the sake of offering an additional £2 million.

Based purely on what Jeremy Peace has said in the media, West Brom were variously not prepared to sell him at all (not that it stopped Tony Pulis speculating that he might still be sold), selling him was "not on their agenda" (whatever that meant), our first bid on 18th August left it too late for them to sign a replacement (obviously Rondon signed a few days before wasn't it after all), we hadn't met their valuation and we hadn't offered enough up front. It is by no means clear to me that irrespective of whether Levy had offered an extra £2 million today, last week or last month that Berahino would be our player tonight.
MikeOf LBuzzard
01-09-2015
The point is Levy deliberately bids under the value a club put on a player (25m in this case) knowing the club is certain to turn it down.
Why I think he sells us down the river is because he repeats the same behaviour every time , conning fans he wishes to buy a striker when having no real interest in paying the market prices.
He is quite happy to see the club stagnate while he is able to make a tidy profit for ENIC who are an investment company who have very little interest in the club or football.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“But he wasn't by the time the knife was inserted. That was all over. I think Levy assumed Harry was going, and was planning his next move, but Harry didn't get the England job, which meant he had to get rid.

Whatever people think of Harry, those three seasons were light years ahead in terms of entertainment, and hope, than what we've endured the last three.

Levy has screwed up time after time with managers, and with transfers.

The books may be in great order, but we don't get points, or entertainment for that.”

No, you're right about the timeline and about the entertainment offered while Harry was manager; although I think the quality of the players had something to do with it and in particular our luck that Bale (who don't forget Harry tried to get rid of) turned from the ugly duckling to a swan in front of our eyes. In the end, I cannot say that I was overly sorry to see Harry go because despite the entertainment on the pitch I was heartily sick of his ridiculous statements and media persona although I would have liked to see how he fared post Bale.

None of us know what really happened with Harry but the story goes that he came back with his tail between his legs and and a new agent in tow that tried to screw us for a massive wage increase. Given the fact that Harry had spent half the season in the longest and most public job interview in history it seems to me that if the story is true that he wasn't in the strongest negotiating position.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“But he wasn't by the time the knife was inserted. That was all over. I think Levy assumed Harry was going, and was planning his next move, but Harry didn't get the England job, which meant he had to get rid.

Whatever people think of Harry, those three seasons were light years ahead in terms of entertainment, and hope, than what we've endured the last three.

Levy has screwed up time after time with managers, and with transfers.

The books may be in great order, but we don't get points, or entertainment for that.”

I'm sure a lot of us can remember what it's like when the books aren't in order.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by MikeOf LBuzzard:
“The point is Levy deliberately bids under the value a club put on a player (25m in this case) knowing the club is certain to turn it down.
Why I think he sells us down the river is because he repeats the same behaviour every time , conning fans he wishes to buy a striker when having no real interest in paying the market prices.
He is quite happy to see the club stagnate while he is able to make a tidy profit for ENIC who are an investment company who have very little interest in the club or football.”

You really believe that Levy is perpetrating a huge con-trick; pretending that he wants to sign players but then purposely offering a price that he knows will be unacceptable to the selling club in order to ensure that the deal won't go through?

I think the only thing I should say to that is that I don't believe it for a second.
MikeOf LBuzzard
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“You really believe that Levy is perpetrating a huge con-trick; pretending that he wants to sign players but then purposely offering a price that he knows will be unacceptable to the selling club in order to ensure that the deal won't go through?

I think the only thing I should say to that is that I don't believe it for a second.”

Well all I can say is that several consecutive unsuccessful windows when we have failed to sign a decent striker suggests otherwise.
bingbong
01-09-2015
I am a Levy supporter as well, he has a complete blind side as far as managers go, and maybe it is an F.A. Yes Man problem? Overall though i wouldn't swap Levy as a chairman with any of the other prem teams.

This Berahino thing is a joke though, no other prem teams are interested and the player will be available for 10m at xmas.

The struggles we appear to have getting players - who on earth would want to work for Pochettino? The man has all the charisma of an overused toilet at a music festival.
The_Moth
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by Deep Purple:
“Perhaps if he told us our limitations it would help, rather than keep playing games, and pretending we're heading for the big time, when he's penny pinching all the time.

He continually raises hopes, and fails to deliver.”

He's selling a product that he wants supporters and sponsors to buy. He's never going to come out and tell us not to expect too much because we will always struggle to compete with some other teams. Just the same as the makers of Pepsi don't come out with the advertising slogan "tastes almost as good as Coke".

In any case, do we really need to be told our limitations? Aren't they perfectly obvious? Surely we all know that we don't have the money to pay the transfer fees and more importantly the wages that the teams above (and even some of the teams below) us pay. That's not Levy's fault. It's just a fact of life. It's up to us to understand it, live with it and not to build up our expectations that we can defy the harsh reality that in the long (and increasingly, the short) term it is money that dictates success in football.
knickerlesscage
01-09-2015
Originally Posted by MikeOf LBuzzard:
“Well all I can say is that several consecutive unsuccessful windows when we have failed to sign a decent striker suggests otherwise.”

He was willing to stump up the cash to buy Soldado, who was (and on form at his new club is) a very decent striker. Unfortunately it just didn't work out here.

With regards to this window, the thing that worries me most about us not signing another striker is that we are only a few games in and already Harry looks knackered. We are at risk of burning him out if he doesn't start getting some breathers. But it'll be interesting to see how/who we play when he does come off.
soulboy77
01-09-2015
So basically our season rests on Kane staying injury free.
Pee
02-09-2015
I do have to laugh at some of this 'Arry revisionism. Yes a lot of the time it was entertaining (although kamikaze was probably a more apt description for much of that), but a lot of the time was also dreadful.

There were more than enough valid reasons for his departure at the time. Let's not pretend Levy just got bored and fired him on a whim.
Pee
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“So basically our season rests on Kane staying injury free.”

That's only one consideration as far as I'm concerned. What if (as is equally likely IMO) he stays injury-free....but turns out not to be as good as we (the club) think? For me, the problem was us looking for a back-up striker to Kane, when we should've been looking for one at least as good as we think he is.
Andy-B
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“I've never understood the point of moaning about Levy. He is simply doing his job. If we want to compete with the teams above us then we need access to the same level of finances that they have. Levy doesn't have it. So where do we get it?”

Tottenham's is this season the 13th biggest club in the world. There is plenty of money in the PL, so much so that two bob clubs like Stoke are happy to spend £14 million on players.

Levy has broken even or made money on transfers for 6 years. Not spent a penny net.

As I mentioned earlier, obv. a lot of this is about funding as much of the stadium project upfront, it's the bullshit of pretending to bid for decent players he has no intention of signing that irritates - not so much the fact of it but the fact of taking us all for mugs. Year after year.
Andy-B
02-09-2015
Originally Posted by knickerlesscage:
“He was willing to stump up the cash to buy Soldado, who was (and on form at his new club is) a very decent striker. Unfortunately it just didn't work out here.”

Levy did pick up £86 million just before. He basically got seven players on a free.
mgns
02-09-2015
The fact is, Pochettino wanted a defensive midfielder and a striker and has got neither. The Spurs board has to take responsibility for that.

To leave the pursuit of those until the last two weeks is asking for trouble - especially when you have been told by West Brom & Southampton that they are not for sale.

They said no a week ago - show your full hand then and move on, if you have to. Don't live under the misconception that you can bully these clubs at the last minute.

From now until January, I suspect Levy will be first in line for any chants/booing at WHL - way before Pochettino and the team get it.
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