Yeah, Batshuayi would have been the player id have liked us to have pushed the boat out for, of those we were linked with, but im optimistic about the business we have done.
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£30m for a 27 year old with a history of attitude problems and who usually plays one good game out of ten.
What could possibly go wrong.
What could possibly go wrong.
I also have my doubts about Sissoko, looks to me to be another Townsend type ie will get the occasional worldie but will mostly frustrate.
On the £30m fee, well of course Newcastle still owed us money from the Townsend and Yedlin deals so we have probably only spent about half that amount from our own coffers. It's for that reason I see this as more of a Levy deal than a Poch one.
On the £30m fee, well of course Newcastle still owed us money from the Townsend and Yedlin deals so we have probably only spent about half that amount from our own coffers. It's for that reason I see this as more of a Levy deal than a Poch one.
Originally Posted by pete137:
“£30m for a 27 year old with a history of attitude problems and who usually plays one good game out of ten.
What could possibly go wrong.”
“£30m for a 27 year old with a history of attitude problems and who usually plays one good game out of ten.
What could possibly go wrong.”
I think it was Le Tissier yesterday who said if last seasons sissoko turns up then he is not worth the money but if the Euros Sissoko turns up, it's all good.
It's an interesting signing and at least we did business.
Now for Poch to make it work.
OK I jumped the gun with my negative post last night but Sissoko must have been a late signing as it hadn't happened when I went to bed.
I share others concern about whether Sissoko will be a good signing. Newcastle fans are almost unanimously of the opinion that they have by far the best of the deal. However, he is clearly the player that Poch wanted and the type of player that we need.
Regarding the transfer fee, I was worried that Levy didn't seem to get that the new tv money has suddenly added 30% to every transfer fee and consequently that as has been said we would not only stand still but go backwards. If nothing else the signing of Sissoko indicates that we are prepared to try to compete.
I share others concern about whether Sissoko will be a good signing. Newcastle fans are almost unanimously of the opinion that they have by far the best of the deal. However, he is clearly the player that Poch wanted and the type of player that we need.
Regarding the transfer fee, I was worried that Levy didn't seem to get that the new tv money has suddenly added 30% to every transfer fee and consequently that as has been said we would not only stand still but go backwards. If nothing else the signing of Sissoko indicates that we are prepared to try to compete.
I think this quote captures it really ..
I think the part about the current market is true - it is the current market. The players being sold for £29-£30m in this window would have gone for around £10m less probably no more than 5 years ago.
Time will tell I suppose. We certainly needed cover for a number of positions and we've addressed that. Sure, they're not exactly world class names that excite, but I do think it's moved us a bit further away from having to worry about it all falling apart with a major injury to someone.
We've spent £70.6m in this window and initially brought in £35.7 in sales, but if Bentaleb, Fazio and N'Jie's loan moves are made permanent, which I expect, I'd be very surprised if we're not actually up in transfer dealings overall, especially, as Knarf has pointed out, Newcastle are (or were) still on the hook to us for Townsend and Yedlin.
Quote:
“Lazy, detested by home fans and Arsenal’s his favourite club – what could possibly go wrong? Moussa Sissoko will quickly find out that Pochettino accepts nothing less than 100% every game. This culture at Spurs will do him good and enable him to be a better player. He’ll bring strength, experience and presence to our midfield as well covering several midfield slots. The money’s irrelevant – that’s the current market and it’s within available funds. Pochettino wanted him and Levy responded.”
“Lazy, detested by home fans and Arsenal’s his favourite club – what could possibly go wrong? Moussa Sissoko will quickly find out that Pochettino accepts nothing less than 100% every game. This culture at Spurs will do him good and enable him to be a better player. He’ll bring strength, experience and presence to our midfield as well covering several midfield slots. The money’s irrelevant – that’s the current market and it’s within available funds. Pochettino wanted him and Levy responded.”
I think the part about the current market is true - it is the current market. The players being sold for £29-£30m in this window would have gone for around £10m less probably no more than 5 years ago.
Time will tell I suppose. We certainly needed cover for a number of positions and we've addressed that. Sure, they're not exactly world class names that excite, but I do think it's moved us a bit further away from having to worry about it all falling apart with a major injury to someone.
We've spent £70.6m in this window and initially brought in £35.7 in sales, but if Bentaleb, Fazio and N'Jie's loan moves are made permanent, which I expect, I'd be very surprised if we're not actually up in transfer dealings overall, especially, as Knarf has pointed out, Newcastle are (or were) still on the hook to us for Townsend and Yedlin.
Originally Posted by mgns:
“It's bizarre that the club wouldn't pony up £25-30m for Batshuayi or Wijnaldum but would do it for Sissoko. I know there is a lot of positivity elsewhere for Levy backing Pochettino to the tune of £30m - which is fair enough.
However, I still think this summer has been a missed opportunity to improve on Spurs' (mostly excellent) first XI. There was scope to buy a couple of players who could put real pressure on Lamela, Eriksen, Son and Dembele but it hasn't happened.
Is Sissoko really the player to put pressure on the first XI? To my mind, he's warming the bench with Wanyama and Janssen.”
“It's bizarre that the club wouldn't pony up £25-30m for Batshuayi or Wijnaldum but would do it for Sissoko. I know there is a lot of positivity elsewhere for Levy backing Pochettino to the tune of £30m - which is fair enough.
However, I still think this summer has been a missed opportunity to improve on Spurs' (mostly excellent) first XI. There was scope to buy a couple of players who could put real pressure on Lamela, Eriksen, Son and Dembele but it hasn't happened.
Is Sissoko really the player to put pressure on the first XI? To my mind, he's warming the bench with Wanyama and Janssen.”
He's an upgrade on Mason.
The one I'm left scratching my head with a little is Chadli. I suspected he'd go at the end of last season but I Think he'd still' expectations add to the squad and certainly a good option to bring on.
I guess Poch thought he couldn't have both Chadli and Son in the squad and as he bought Son in - Chadli was the one to go.
Re Jason's post.... The players who have gone for £29m or £30m this year would have gone for at least £20m less 5 years ago... They would have gone for £10m less 6 months ago!
Sissoko showed what he is capable of in a couple of games at the euros. Could be a dominant midfielder in the premier league.
Sissoko showed what he is capable of in a couple of games at the euros. Could be a dominant midfielder in the premier league.
Originally Posted by Nova21:
“Re Jason's post.... The players who have gone for £29m or £30m this year would have gone for at least £20m less 5 years ago... They would have gone for £10m less 6 months ago!”
“Re Jason's post.... The players who have gone for £29m or £30m this year would have gone for at least £20m less 5 years ago... They would have gone for £10m less 6 months ago!”
I'll give you that !
The people who will most pissed off about our window will be Klopp, Conte, Bilic and .. Wenger. The people most thrilled will be Harry, Dele, Hugo, Toby and the rest of what was a decent team and is now the makings of top 4 squad: Over to you, Mr Poch.
The fans ... too many are still two bob, what can you do after decades of mediocrity, it'll take time to change the mindset.
We've bought strength and muscle this window in the three key positions we needed to strengthen, and they're all ready to go; Wanyama, Sissoko and Janssen.
Key takeaway: we've given ourselves a properly decent chance of doing the most difficult in football; qualifying for the CL in the same season as playing in it: remember folks, it's not about now, it's mostly about Jan/Feb/March.
The fans ... too many are still two bob, what can you do after decades of mediocrity, it'll take time to change the mindset.
We've bought strength and muscle this window in the three key positions we needed to strengthen, and they're all ready to go; Wanyama, Sissoko and Janssen.
Key takeaway: we've given ourselves a properly decent chance of doing the most difficult in football; qualifying for the CL in the same season as playing in it: remember folks, it's not about now, it's mostly about Jan/Feb/March.
I can't think why, for the life of me, any of those managers would be worried, but hey....I don't live in happyclappyland where everything is spun into a positive for us and negative for all our opposition. IMO our transfer activity can be summed up as follows:
Was our first XI good enough last season? It wasn't.
Is our first XI now better than last season? It isn't.
Was our bench good enough last season? It definitely wasn't.
Is our bench now better than last season? Arguably, but remains to be seen.
By all means let's over-emphasise the positives and not gloss over the negatives, but I don't think anyone can argue against the above. In three games this season, we've shown a worrying lack of genuine creativity, and IMO at least THAT is where we should've been looking to improve. The only group of people that should be worried by a guaranteed creative unit of Lamela, Eriksen and Alli every week is Spurs fans.
Was our first XI good enough last season? It wasn't.
Is our first XI now better than last season? It isn't.
Was our bench good enough last season? It definitely wasn't.
Is our bench now better than last season? Arguably, but remains to be seen.
By all means let's over-emphasise the positives and not gloss over the negatives, but I don't think anyone can argue against the above. In three games this season, we've shown a worrying lack of genuine creativity, and IMO at least THAT is where we should've been looking to improve. The only group of people that should be worried by a guaranteed creative unit of Lamela, Eriksen and Alli every week is Spurs fans.
We seem to have ended up with 23 squad members - is that right .. 15 foreign, 8 English/Welsh - so still leeway of two foreigners.
Perhaps one way to look at this is to think of Jannsen as the replacement for Clinton and the new French kid (NK) as the replacement for Chadli. It obv. doesn't have to be a straight swap but we do have the same number of bodies.
I'm quite interested in the evolution of this policy because income will now rise significantly this season before taking off in a mental way in a couple of years.
In other words; I don't believe the old rules apply - we will soon expect to make a loss in transfers as we buy the best and discard the older/failing; balancing the transfer books (as a way of judging decision making) has been flawed for a few years anyway as wages/contracts became a more significant cost. Going forward, we should absorb a loss in transfers as income from the CL and the NWHL underpin higher expectations and results: it's a different game. We aren't that mid table mediocrity, we have to spend to maintain our position - and it becomes self perpetuating, if you do it right.
We're entering a place now where a few mill here and there doesn't matter; what does matter is the right player at the right time, and we will pay a premium for that. It's part of the cost of doing business from the top end of the table and the CL.
It's also fascinating at Tottenham to see the income generated by former academy players. If Bentaleb works out the income from him, Mason and Prichard will be .. well, comfortably above £30 million - from an outlay of zero. Add to that the saved cost of not having to buy top 4 players like Harry.
Also, when was the last time we sold a top player? Bale. It's switching; most transfer windows going forward should see the transfer record tested, imo
And no one leaving we would prefer to stay. Before too long, £30 mill will become the new normal.
Lastly, by the time the naming rights deal is done, we will see the impact of the cost of the stadium build on the playing side - I suspect this is Levy's true legacy, that we will be able to bear the cost of the build without suffering too long or too hard on the playing side.
Originally Posted by dosanjh1:
“The one I'm left scratching my head with a little is Chadli. I suspected he'd go at the end of last season but I Think he'd still' expectations add to the squad and certainly a good option to bring on.
I guess Poch thought he couldn't have both Chadli and Son in the squad and as he bought Son in - Chadli was the one to go.”
“The one I'm left scratching my head with a little is Chadli. I suspected he'd go at the end of last season but I Think he'd still' expectations add to the squad and certainly a good option to bring on.
I guess Poch thought he couldn't have both Chadli and Son in the squad and as he bought Son in - Chadli was the one to go.”
Perhaps one way to look at this is to think of Jannsen as the replacement for Clinton and the new French kid (NK) as the replacement for Chadli. It obv. doesn't have to be a straight swap but we do have the same number of bodies.
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“I think the part about the current market is true - it is the current market. The players being sold for £29-£30m in this window would have gone for around £10m less probably no more than 5 years ago.
Time will tell I suppose. We certainly needed cover for a number of positions and we've addressed that. Sure, they're not exactly world class names that excite, but I do think it's moved us a bit further away from having to worry about it all falling apart with a major injury to someone.
We've spent £70.6m in this window and initially brought in £35.7 in sales, but if Bentaleb, Fazio and N'Jie's loan moves are made permanent, which I expect, I'd be very surprised if we're not actually up in transfer dealings overall, especially, as Knarf has pointed out, Newcastle are (or were) still on the hook to us for Townsend and Yedlin.”
“I think the part about the current market is true - it is the current market. The players being sold for £29-£30m in this window would have gone for around £10m less probably no more than 5 years ago.
Time will tell I suppose. We certainly needed cover for a number of positions and we've addressed that. Sure, they're not exactly world class names that excite, but I do think it's moved us a bit further away from having to worry about it all falling apart with a major injury to someone.
We've spent £70.6m in this window and initially brought in £35.7 in sales, but if Bentaleb, Fazio and N'Jie's loan moves are made permanent, which I expect, I'd be very surprised if we're not actually up in transfer dealings overall, especially, as Knarf has pointed out, Newcastle are (or were) still on the hook to us for Townsend and Yedlin.”
I'm quite interested in the evolution of this policy because income will now rise significantly this season before taking off in a mental way in a couple of years.
In other words; I don't believe the old rules apply - we will soon expect to make a loss in transfers as we buy the best and discard the older/failing; balancing the transfer books (as a way of judging decision making) has been flawed for a few years anyway as wages/contracts became a more significant cost. Going forward, we should absorb a loss in transfers as income from the CL and the NWHL underpin higher expectations and results: it's a different game. We aren't that mid table mediocrity, we have to spend to maintain our position - and it becomes self perpetuating, if you do it right.
We're entering a place now where a few mill here and there doesn't matter; what does matter is the right player at the right time, and we will pay a premium for that. It's part of the cost of doing business from the top end of the table and the CL.
It's also fascinating at Tottenham to see the income generated by former academy players. If Bentaleb works out the income from him, Mason and Prichard will be .. well, comfortably above £30 million - from an outlay of zero. Add to that the saved cost of not having to buy top 4 players like Harry.
Also, when was the last time we sold a top player? Bale. It's switching; most transfer windows going forward should see the transfer record tested, imo
And no one leaving we would prefer to stay. Before too long, £30 mill will become the new normal.Lastly, by the time the naming rights deal is done, we will see the impact of the cost of the stadium build on the playing side - I suspect this is Levy's true legacy, that we will be able to bear the cost of the build without suffering too long or too hard on the playing side.
Originally Posted by The_Moth:
“I share others concern about whether Sissoko will be a good signing. Newcastle fans are almost unanimously of the opinion that they have by far the best of the deal. However, he is clearly the player that Poch wanted and the type of player that we need.”
“I share others concern about whether Sissoko will be a good signing. Newcastle fans are almost unanimously of the opinion that they have by far the best of the deal. However, he is clearly the player that Poch wanted and the type of player that we need.”
That's the thing that concerns me. Ok, Sissoko is similar to a previous transfer target like Wijnaldum. However, he isn't a player like Zaha, Isco or Schneiderlin. Even those 3 players are different from each other. So signing Sissoko, poses a few questions about Spurs' transfer strategy in the final week.
Pochettino stated that: "We need a player who is more direct, more aggressive offensively, because we have players like Eriksen, Son or Lamela who like the ball played into their feet. So we need someone who has characteristics like we saw from Liverpool, like Sadio Mané, the type of player that can break the defensive line."
Is Sissoko that player? He seems quite similar to Eriksen, Lamela etc unlike someone like Zaha.
No, he's not that player. He's the player who stops us returning to wishy-washy mediocrity when Dembele isn't available.
If you want lightening fast over 5-10m, then it's the new French kid. He will scare defences s**tless but whether he worries anyone after 10m remains to be seen ...
We didn't buy a Mane clone, we bought a Dutch bulldozer instead
If you want lightening fast over 5-10m, then it's the new French kid. He will scare defences s**tless but whether he worries anyone after 10m remains to be seen ...
We didn't buy a Mane clone, we bought a Dutch bulldozer instead
Originally Posted by Andy-B:
“No, he's not that player. He's the player who stops us returning to wishy-washy mediocrity when Dembele isn't available.
If you want lightening fast over 5-10m, then it's the new French kid. He will scare defences s**tless but whether he worries anyone after 10m remains to be seen ...”
“No, he's not that player. He's the player who stops us returning to wishy-washy mediocrity when Dembele isn't available.
If you want lightening fast over 5-10m, then it's the new French kid. He will scare defences s**tless but whether he worries anyone after 10m remains to be seen ...”
Tell that to Newcastle fans...
As far as N'Koudou goes, that's kind of what I was getting at earlier. Have Spurs missed the opportunity to buy a player to put positive pressure on Eriksen, Lamela etc rather than spending £11m on a punt? Pochettino must view him as a punt, otherwise he wouldn't have gone after Zaha as well.
well, fans are not generally the best judge, certainly not if they have internet access ...
I don't know what to make of the Zaha nonsense. I'm not sure we even have the facts. You could almost think Levy was on a wind up except I dont think that's his style. Wish we had better knowledge.
Yep, NK is a punt but a punt who is very, very, very quick over 5-10m. And that's a lot of mitigation in any league. It'll be interesting to see what 12 months with the coaches adds to that.
Nice (short!) interview with Michael Vorm from the weekend - I love the way the paxton leap up at his save as if it were a goal. Seems a great bloke
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news...-focus-310816/
I wonder if the point about Lopez is as simple as the fact he's almost a decade younger .. you could argue there's a straight forward line of succession with Lopez that isn't there with Vorm.
I don't know what to make of the Zaha nonsense. I'm not sure we even have the facts. You could almost think Levy was on a wind up except I dont think that's his style. Wish we had better knowledge.
Yep, NK is a punt but a punt who is very, very, very quick over 5-10m. And that's a lot of mitigation in any league. It'll be interesting to see what 12 months with the coaches adds to that.
Nice (short!) interview with Michael Vorm from the weekend - I love the way the paxton leap up at his save as if it were a goal. Seems a great bloke
http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/news...-focus-310816/
I wonder if the point about Lopez is as simple as the fact he's almost a decade younger .. you could argue there's a straight forward line of succession with Lopez that isn't there with Vorm.
Originally Posted by mgns:
“It's bizarre that the club wouldn't pony up £25-30m for Batshuayi or Wijnaldum but would do it for Sissoko. I know there is a lot of positivity elsewhere for Levy backing Pochettino to the tune of £30m - which is fair enough....”
“It's bizarre that the club wouldn't pony up £25-30m for Batshuayi or Wijnaldum but would do it for Sissoko. I know there is a lot of positivity elsewhere for Levy backing Pochettino to the tune of £30m - which is fair enough....”
That was my thoughts as well. Who knows what goes on in negotiations but maybe we had to stump up the cash in the end as the window was closing fast. We will see which Sissoko turns up, The one we saw at the Euros or the more familiar inconsistent Newcastle one.
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“That was my thoughts as well. Who knows what goes on in negotiations but maybe we had to stump up the cash in the end as the window was closing fast. We will see which Sissoko turns up, The one we saw at the Euros or the more familiar inconsistent Newcastle one.”
“That was my thoughts as well. Who knows what goes on in negotiations but maybe we had to stump up the cash in the end as the window was closing fast. We will see which Sissoko turns up, The one we saw at the Euros or the more familiar inconsistent Newcastle one.”
He was playing for a move and putting himself in the shop window at the euros.
I'd imagine sharing midfield with Paul Podba might sharpen most players game.
France at the euros was a very different project and proposition to Newcastle sinking beyond hope under ... Steve McClaren
Paul Pogba is just a poor man’s Moussa Sissoko, say Arsenal fans #windemup
France at the euros was a very different project and proposition to Newcastle sinking beyond hope under ... Steve McClaren
Paul Pogba is just a poor man’s Moussa Sissoko, say Arsenal fans #windemup
Yeah, right !
Quote:
“EVERTON owner Farhad Moshiri has revealed he pulled out of a deal for Moussa Sissoko because he did not want to jeopardise' James McCarthy's position at the club.
Sissoko is a great player. But when I bought into Everton, I made it clear I was proud to join a family,” Moshiri said in a statement reported by Sky Sports broadcaster Jim White..
“And we don't turn our backs on our own. Keeping James McCarthy was a priority and ultimately we could not proceed with a deal that would jeopardise his place at Everton.
“We wish Sissoko the best.””
“EVERTON owner Farhad Moshiri has revealed he pulled out of a deal for Moussa Sissoko because he did not want to jeopardise' James McCarthy's position at the club.
Sissoko is a great player. But when I bought into Everton, I made it clear I was proud to join a family,” Moshiri said in a statement reported by Sky Sports broadcaster Jim White..
“And we don't turn our backs on our own. Keeping James McCarthy was a priority and ultimately we could not proceed with a deal that would jeopardise his place at Everton.
“We wish Sissoko the best.””
Originally Posted by pete137:
“He was playing for a move and putting himself in the shop window at the euros.”
“He was playing for a move and putting himself in the shop window at the euros.”
At least Pochettino now knows the minimum benchmark for the Lidl Pogba.
Hopefully, this transfer window has made it clear to the Spurs board that they aren't always the only show in town. The waiting game won't work when everyone in the league can now flash £30m at a Batshuayi or a Sissoko, with barely a second thought.
Quote:
“EVERTON owner Farhad Moshiri has revealed he pulled out of a deal for Moussa Sissoko because he did not want to jeopardise' James McCarthy's position at the club....”
“EVERTON owner Farhad Moshiri has revealed he pulled out of a deal for Moussa Sissoko because he did not want to jeopardise' James McCarthy's position at the club....”
Originally Posted by pete137:
“Yeah, right !”
“Yeah, right !”
Exactly my thoughts when i read that. I doubt that will appease Everton fans allied with the fact that Koeman kept desperately trying to call Sissoko to get him to change his mind about joining us.
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“Exactly my thoughts when i read that. I doubt that will appease Everton fans allied with the fact that Koeman kept desperately trying to call Sissoko to get him to change his mind about joining us.”
“Exactly my thoughts when i read that. I doubt that will appease Everton fans allied with the fact that Koeman kept desperately trying to call Sissoko to get him to change his mind about joining us.”
Exactly. Its a no brainer for Sissoko to join us over them. To go from relegation to champions league football. He must think its christmas.
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