It wouldn't have mattered who you replaced Sandro with if you defend like Kaboul. He couldn't keep a kid out of a cookie jar. The Europa League is a real headache of a competition when you are going for 4th place, I don't think it has done Spurs season any good.
Tottenham Hotspur Supporters Thread (Part 12)
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Maybe it's a small point - maybe not - but I just hate the body language of him wandering along the touchline with his hands in his tracky pockets like he’s waiting for a bus.
Does he communicate tactics with gestures, or is it just the occasional shout that players generally can't hear anyway?
ETA: it might actually be like waiting for a bus; you know that sense of just waiting, hoping it comes along soon but without any control of what actually happens - maybe that's how Sherwood feels about goals.
Does he communicate tactics with gestures, or is it just the occasional shout that players generally can't hear anyway?
ETA: it might actually be like waiting for a bus; you know that sense of just waiting, hoping it comes along soon but without any control of what actually happens - maybe that's how Sherwood feels about goals.
Originally Posted by shelleyj89:
“I said to my dad this morning, it's not like Sherwood hasn't got it in him to act like that. Something obviously went on, or was said, for their manager to act like he did. I can't imagine he's just an arsehole who enjoys winding opposition managers up.”
“I said to my dad this morning, it's not like Sherwood hasn't got it in him to act like that. Something obviously went on, or was said, for their manager to act like he did. I can't imagine he's just an arsehole who enjoys winding opposition managers up.”
Seems that he is, even his own staff were telling him to cut it out and he then turned on them. Maybe he'd had too much Lucozade?
Just said on another forum that as soon as Levy sees sense Sherwood, Ramsey and Ferdinand will be out the door as none of them are likely to want to step back into their former roles. They will probably end up in charge at Swindon where at least they can continue overseeing the development of some of our young prospects.
Originally Posted by Knarf44:
“Seems that he is, even his own staff were telling him to cut it out and he then turned on them. Maybe he'd had too much Lucozade?
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“Seems that he is, even his own staff were telling him to cut it out and he then turned on them. Maybe he'd had too much Lucozade?
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Oh really, I didn't notice that. Maybe he is just a **** then.
One things for sure, Sherwood has lost the majority of support from Spurs fans now. The next game V the Arses is probably the worse one with regards to timing for him.
I think this should settle our earlier debate on whether or not Timmy is playing favourites with Lennon
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/to...027?usurv=skip
his reasoning, as ever, is impeccable. let's keep playing a winger because he tracks back, but we can't ask him to do that AND score/create, because that's just unfair. so if we musn't ask him to score or create, and (as against Norwich) you leave out a player like Eriksen that scores and creates in order to play Bentaleb, where exactly are the goals supposed to come from?
and it's not like Lennon's supposed excellent defending stops us conceding anyway, so how can it be that he's undroppable when he's failing so badly at his main job? I don't think dropping him would suddenly cure all our ills, but how can we have such a glaring failing and ignore it?
http://www.tottenhamjournal.co.uk/to...027?usurv=skip
Quote:
“However, Tim Sherwood has issued a strong defence of the midfielder, and explained why he has been such a favourite with his last three managers.
Speaking the day before the trip to Chelsea, the head coach said: “Until you’re in the job as a manager, you don’t appreciate Aaron Lennon.
“What he does out of possession probably makes him the best defensive player we have got on the pitch. He is so diligent. He recognises when to thicken up and when to put pressure on.
“We have seen in transition how he gets you on the edge of your seat. Aaron knows full well he wants to have more end product – maybe a different area of the field might benefit him.
“But I’m certain that when you need to rely on someone, he’s on your teamsheet. He gives 100 per cent in every game and leaves nothing on the pitch.
“He is such a physical specimen. For a small lad, his high-intensity runs, he gets back in, his desire – when you’re asking him to do all that, to then start saying ‘we want 20 goals or 15 assists’, it’s a bit much.
“There is a balance, but when you’re looking for reliability he’s on your teamsheet.””
“However, Tim Sherwood has issued a strong defence of the midfielder, and explained why he has been such a favourite with his last three managers.
Speaking the day before the trip to Chelsea, the head coach said: “Until you’re in the job as a manager, you don’t appreciate Aaron Lennon.
“What he does out of possession probably makes him the best defensive player we have got on the pitch. He is so diligent. He recognises when to thicken up and when to put pressure on.
“We have seen in transition how he gets you on the edge of your seat. Aaron knows full well he wants to have more end product – maybe a different area of the field might benefit him.
“But I’m certain that when you need to rely on someone, he’s on your teamsheet. He gives 100 per cent in every game and leaves nothing on the pitch.
“He is such a physical specimen. For a small lad, his high-intensity runs, he gets back in, his desire – when you’re asking him to do all that, to then start saying ‘we want 20 goals or 15 assists’, it’s a bit much.
“There is a balance, but when you’re looking for reliability he’s on your teamsheet.””
his reasoning, as ever, is impeccable. let's keep playing a winger because he tracks back, but we can't ask him to do that AND score/create, because that's just unfair. so if we musn't ask him to score or create, and (as against Norwich) you leave out a player like Eriksen that scores and creates in order to play Bentaleb, where exactly are the goals supposed to come from?
and it's not like Lennon's supposed excellent defending stops us conceding anyway, so how can it be that he's undroppable when he's failing so badly at his main job? I don't think dropping him would suddenly cure all our ills, but how can we have such a glaring failing and ignore it?
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“One things for sure, Sherwood has lost the majority of support from Spurs fans now. The next game V the Arses is probably the worse one with regards to timing for him.”
“One things for sure, Sherwood has lost the majority of support from Spurs fans now. The next game V the Arses is probably the worse one with regards to timing for him.”
Indeed. If we get another hammering, which I wouldn't really bet against, the level of feeling against him will be off the scale.
I'd put a lot of the blame with the people who brought in a lot of those players who don't really look good enough or haven't gelled or like the ludicrously expensive Lamela seem to be forever injured. The Europa League is an absolute waste of time that is only sapping away the charge for 4th place. I'd have played the kids in it early doors to go out of it immediately.
If Louis van Gaal comes in I'd expect him to chop a few of those players.
If Louis van Gaal comes in I'd expect him to chop a few of those players.
Ade is apparently "struggling" and doubtful for Sunday .. Dembele and Walker also doubtful apparently, although I'm sure we could care less 
I'm getting that feeling more and more I want to punt a few quid on an Ars*nal hammering .. *groan*
I'm getting that feeling more and more I want to punt a few quid on an Ars*nal hammering .. *groan*
We've got a very favourable run-in. From April, we don't play anyone higher than 10th.
I guess the problem with that will be that we may well find that Sherwood's "simple" approach ends up getting results and people start to forget what an absolute clusterf**k the situation is.
I guess the problem with that will be that we may well find that Sherwood's "simple" approach ends up getting results and people start to forget what an absolute clusterf**k the situation is.
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“We've got a very favourable run-in. From April, we don't play anyone higher than 10th.
I guess the problem with that will be that we may well find that Sherwood's "simple" approach ends up getting results and people start to forget what an absolute clusterf**k the situation is.”
“We've got a very favourable run-in. From April, we don't play anyone higher than 10th.
I guess the problem with that will be that we may well find that Sherwood's "simple" approach ends up getting results and people start to forget what an absolute clusterf**k the situation is.”
I feel I can use 'omnishambles' for the first time.
Originally Posted by Pee:
“we'll be so far behind by then, I doubt even that run-in will paper over cracks.”
“we'll be so far behind by then, I doubt even that run-in will paper over cracks.”
Without a doubt, but you know how fickle some of our lot can be. If we win 3 or 4 games on the spin and play reasonably well at the same time, we'll invariably have people saying that Sherwood has sorted it out and we've got the "exciting" Spurs back again.
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“I feel I can use 'omnishambles' for the first time.”
“I feel I can use 'omnishambles' for the first time.”
I had to google that .. heh
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Without a doubt, but you know how fickle some of our lot can be. If we win 3 or 4 games on the spin and play reasonably well at the same time, we'll invariably have people saying that Sherwood has sorted it out and we've got the "exciting" Spurs back again.”
“Without a doubt, but you know how fickle some of our lot can be. If we win 3 or 4 games on the spin and play reasonably well at the same time, we'll invariably have people saying that Sherwood has sorted it out and we've got the "exciting" Spurs back again.”
lol there was quite a bit of that earlier in the thread
It's like the dressing room in here!As crazy as it sounds, we are still +2 against the same opposition season-on-season.
Honestly, the best approach is to just zone out like a granny on HRT and let it all just flow past you ...
Also, I do think the goons will blow up at some point, and if we could just get something out of Sunday ... it's not impossible given our run in if they do blow up.
Vertonghen feels Sherwood's comments aimed at him and he has not been offered a new contract:
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/t...-renewal-offer
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/t...-renewal-offer
Quote:
“Jan Vertonghen's future has been discussed a lot over the last couple of weeks too, with claims that Tottenham had offered him a pay rise and extension to his contract to fight off interest from elsewhere, something which he's told Sport Wereld simply isn't the case.
He's not angling for a move but thinks much of the Sherwood criticism was aimed at him after his disastrous pass against Chelsea.
"I can definitely find me in his criticism. He talked the whole group, and I feel also addressed me.
"He has put the players put on the block and maybe that was the right approach... It was not good enough in recent weeks. Also not against Benfica."
"I heard nothing from Tottenham (about a new contract), the season still has ten games and I 'm suspended for the second leg of the Europa League. I focus now until the very end of the season."”
“Jan Vertonghen's future has been discussed a lot over the last couple of weeks too, with claims that Tottenham had offered him a pay rise and extension to his contract to fight off interest from elsewhere, something which he's told Sport Wereld simply isn't the case.
He's not angling for a move but thinks much of the Sherwood criticism was aimed at him after his disastrous pass against Chelsea.
"I can definitely find me in his criticism. He talked the whole group, and I feel also addressed me.
"He has put the players put on the block and maybe that was the right approach... It was not good enough in recent weeks. Also not against Benfica."
"I heard nothing from Tottenham (about a new contract), the season still has ten games and I 'm suspended for the second leg of the Europa League. I focus now until the very end of the season."”
Hhmmm .. I still like Jan. I know his head hasn't really been there for a while but I just wonder if it's down to a clash of personalities with Sherwood ?. That interview could certainly give some weight to that idea.
Here's something to make you feel old .. Sandro is "only" 25 today
Here's something to make you feel old .. Sandro is "only" 25 today
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“Hhmmm .. I still like Jan. I know his head hasn't really been there for a while but I just wonder if it's down to a clash of personalities with Sherwood ?. That interview could certainly give some weight to that idea.
Here's something to make you feel old .. Sandro is "only" 25 today”
“Hhmmm .. I still like Jan. I know his head hasn't really been there for a while but I just wonder if it's down to a clash of personalities with Sherwood ?. That interview could certainly give some weight to that idea.
Here's something to make you feel old .. Sandro is "only" 25 today
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Don't need that to make me feel old! It's a permanent state!
Originally Posted by kimindex:
“Don't need that to make me feel old! It's a permanent state!”
“Don't need that to make me feel old! It's a permanent state!”
I know the feeling
I'll be 19 years older than Sandro in a couple of weeks .. i might as well just shoot myself now .. heh
Originally Posted by JasonWatkins:
“I know the feeling
I'll be 19 years older than Sandro in a couple of weeks .. i might as well just shoot myself now .. heh”
“I know the feeling
I'll be 19 years older than Sandro in a couple of weeks .. i might as well just shoot myself now .. heh
”
A mere child!
I thought the Everton were about to draw with Cardiff today but they sneaked a goal in the 90 min to take all 3 points and close the gap on us.
Vertonghen's another one whose natural body language creates the perception that he isn't bothered. When I think back to that Halloween video, and the way he wasn't even in the slightest bit fazed while everyone else completely bricked themselves, he strikes me as the kind of person that doesn't really show emotion or get ruffled by anything. no-one really notices or has a problem with it when everything's going fine and he's playing well, but at times when things are terrible and he's playing badly - as is the case now - then its easy to point the finger and claim he's not bothered, which I think is one of the most ridiculous accusations fans level against players. no matter how often we believe it to be the case, it very very rarely is.
Originally Posted by soulboy77:
“I thought the Everton were about to draw with Cardiff today but they sneaked a goal in the 90 min to take all 3 points and close the gap on us.”
“I thought the Everton were about to draw with Cardiff today but they sneaked a goal in the 90 min to take all 3 points and close the gap on us.”
Me, too. First goal a deflection, second a mis-hit. Here's hoping we get some of that tomorrow (well, I'd rather 3 goals of superb quality, of course!).
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